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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 27, 2006 11:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by hoyatables on Aug 27, 2006 18:48:11 GMT -5
This is a little troubling, and it sounds like there is more to the story. Does anyone have more details?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 27, 2006 19:25:09 GMT -5
The claim is that GU was concerned that external organizations might someday evangelize, never mind that the Jesuits themselves were once powerful evangelists in their own right. Does that mean that the Knights of Columbus or Hillel could be barred if they got too active as well? In any event, rest assured that the reconstituted GU Protestant ministry will likely be out of sight, out of mind. And in an odd bit of timing, the same day the HOYA's news story broke, a Georgetown press release reported that banners will be displayed on campus with such PC messages as "Women and Men for Others", "Community in Diversity", and yes, "Interreligious Understanding" . explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=17605 |
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 27, 2006 22:13:17 GMT -5
I think its a poorly timed and poorly managed administrative decision - it sounds like someone in Campus Ministry didn't like the fact that they couldn't really manage these groups which preferred to work outside the University in many instances and they tried to assert some power by tossing them out if they wouldn't work closer with Campus Ministry - which KofC and Hillel do very well.
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 28, 2006 1:22:16 GMT -5
A friend of mine is a Reformed Episcopal (REC not the mainline ECUSA) presbyter - aka priest - and told me about the new full-time opening he saw advertised somewhere a couple of months ago when he was job-hunting. He wound up at another hospice as a chaplain.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Aug 29, 2006 8:07:47 GMT -5
The claim is that GU was concerned that external organizations might someday evangelize, never mind that the Jesuits themselves were once powerful evangelists in their own right. Does that mean that the Knights of Columbus or Hillel could be barred if they got too active as well? In any event, rest assured that the reconstituted GU Protestant ministry will likely be out of sight, out of mind. And in an odd bit of timing, the same day the HOYA's news story broke, a Georgetown press release reported that banners will be displayed on campus with such PC messages as "Women and Men for Others", "Community in Diversity", and yes, "Interreligious Understanding" . explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=17605DFW, since when is educating the GU community about Jesuit principles and ideals PC?!?!! Some of the other "PC messages" include "AMDG," "Cura Personalis" and "Contemplation in Action." I saw the banners and read the Blue and Gray article over the weekend and I thought it was an excellent idea by Fr. Boroughs, SJ and some interested students in ensuring that incoming frosh are at least initially exposed to Jesuit philosophy in their first week on campus. This is something that has been sorely needed at GU so that entering frosh don't suddenly blurt out after their first week or two, "Gee, I didn't know GU was Catholic/Jesuit." We can have a more profound debate about what's happening to the influence of the Jesuits at the university and their role in shaping scholarship, course requirements, curriculum, etc. but I don't think it's productive to cast political aspersions on what is a noble effort to remind the GU community of its Jesuit heritage....... |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 31, 2006 12:50:23 GMT -5
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Aug 31, 2006 13:21:27 GMT -5
There are students tabling in Red Square under a banner saying "Where have all the affiliated ministries gone?" So there is some buzz about it on campus, to what degree I haven't really seen yet.
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Post by hoyatables on Aug 31, 2006 14:03:39 GMT -5
Interesting -- today's Post article was a lot more clear on exactly who was being kicked out. The story makes a lot more sense now.
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Post by timex on Oct 27, 2006 23:25:58 GMT -5
WHY NOT ASK THE PRINCE WHO CAME UP WITH THE 20 MILLION......
ALSO THE MINISTRIES EJECTED ARE NOT CULTS..THEY WORSHIP THE SAME GOD AS THE JESUITS.
WHY IS THERE A CENTER FOR ISLAMIC CULTURE OR WHAT EVER ON CAMPUS THEN..ME THINKS ITS ALL ABOUT $$$$$$ AND NOT ABOUT THE FAITH OF THE FOUNDERS OF GEORGETOWN OR ANY CHRISTIAN FAITH. IT ABOUT BEING PC! LESSON FOR TODAY STUDENTS..."LET YOUR MONEY BE YOUR GUIDE , NEVER YOUR CONSCIENCE!!!!" GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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Post by saxacalhoya on Oct 28, 2006 1:48:50 GMT -5
WHY NOT ASK THE PRINCE WHO CAME UP WITH THE 20 MILLION...... ALSO THE MINISTRIES EJECTED ARE NOT CULTS..THEY WORSHIP THE SAME GOD AS THE JESUITS. WHY IS THERE A CENTER FOR ISLAMIC CULTURE OR WHAT EVER ON CAMPUS THEN..ME THINKS ITS ALL ABOUT $$$$$$ AND NOT ABOUT THE FAITH OF THE FOUNDERS OF GEORGETOWN OR ANY CHRISTIAN FAITH. IT ABOUT BEING PC! LESSON FOR TODAY STUDENTS..."LET YOUR MONEY BE YOUR GUIDE , NEVER YOUR CONSCIENCE!!!!" GOD BLESS AMERICA! Thank you for watching Fox News Channel, however these are unrelated issues. You may want to email Brit Hume (@ special@foxnews.com) and ask why he failed to mention that Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal also owns more than five percent of Fox News Channel's parent company News Corp. Not to mention his investments in Citigroup, in which he now holds a 3.9% stake, as well as major corporations from Apple Computer, Hewlett-Packard, and Kodak to the Four Seasons, The Walt Disney Co. and eBay. Or even his other charitable contributions to the President George H.W. Bush Sr., Scholarship fund, the Carter Center for Peace and Health Programs in Africa, and Tsunami victims. But seriously, Mr. Hume is now reporting "news" from a website: World News Daily? Guess fair and balanced doesn't mean legitimate journalism. By the way, maybe some of the aforementioned investments explains where the $20 million came from. And also the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding was actually founded in 1993 well before this donation was made to Georgetown University. Just throwing that out, but then again why would anyone nowadays bother to report the facts anyways ... it isn't good for ratings. |
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Post by timex on Oct 28, 2006 8:14:25 GMT -5
THIS REPLY STILL DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION...WHY IS GWTN SO ANTI CHRISTIAN ALL OF A SUDDEN.? AFTER ALL THIS IS A CATHOLIC INSTITUTION....I AM SURE POPE BENEDICT WOULD THINJK THIS A STRANGE WAY TO TREAT HIS BRETHERN IN CHRIST.
P.S. I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE "STUFF" THIS MAN HAS ACQUIRED OR DONATED...NEVER SAW A U-HAUL FOLLOWING A HEARSE. YOUR ANTI FOX GIVES ME PAUSE..YOU MUST BE A LIBERAL WATCHING SECRETLY...JUST SO U CAN CRITICIZE.
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Post by saxacalhoya on Oct 28, 2006 11:24:26 GMT -5
THIS REPLY STILL DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION...WHY IS GWTN SO ANTI CHRISTIAN ALL OF A SUDDEN.? AFTER ALL THIS IS A CATHOLIC INSTITUTION....I AM SURE POPE BENEDICT WOULD THINJK THIS A STRANGE WAY TO TREAT HIS BRETHERN IN CHRIST. Well, actually, your original post didn't bother to ask this question. The news report you watched tried to conflate multiple issues and did not accurately report any of them. First, it discussed a donation that has nothing to do with our Protestant ministries. Second, it failed to recognize that Prince Alwaleed Bun Talal is an international businessman with investments in everything from computers to hotels to theme parks and that he -- like other investors -- give charitable donations to different organizations, including universities. Finally, it ignored the fact that the the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding was well established before the donation and is part of Georgetown's character and tradition of interreligious dialogue. I simply think Mr. Hume should check the facts before reading a synopsis of an "article" posted on World News Daily. As to your anti-Christian assertion, if you were a member of the Georgetown University community you would realize that your question is flawed and offensive. This situation only deals with a few affiliated Protestant groups that had non-binding covenants with Georgetown to hold their activities on campus. They failed to meet their commitments and the covenants were terminated. The groups are still allowed on campus (and in fact continue to hold their meetings as they did in the past) through the invitation of students, but there is no formal relationship between them and the University. However, these groups are just one piece of Protestant fellowship on campus. The Protestant ministry's staff has actually been strengthened with the addition of full-time chaplains and it is the addition of these staff members and other additional resources that continue to work to grow the ministry within the University's Office of Campus Ministry. In the future I would suggest that you learn more about the situation before making UNINFORMED STATEMENTS ABOUT GEORGETOWN. P.S. I AM NOT IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE "STUFF" THIS MAN HAS ACQUIRED OR DONATED...NEVER SAW A U-HAUL FOLLOWING A HEARSE. YOUR ANTI FOX GIVES ME PAUSE..YOU MUST BE A LIBERAL WATCHING SECRETLY...JUST SO U CAN CRITICIZE. No, just a Hoya that doesn't appreciate inaccurate stories by the MSM (or fake news websites) about my community. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 28, 2006 13:54:19 GMT -5
The Protestant ministry's staff has actually been strengthened with the addition of full-time chaplains and it is the addition of these staff members and other additional resources that continue to work to grow the ministry within the University's Office of Campus Ministry. I do not see the Bin-Talal and Protestant issues as being related, but Campus Ministry continues to be a point worthy of discussion. One of the underdiscussed issues here is that Campus Ministry gives the public impression of being predisposed to Ivy League Protestantism, the kind of place where the views of John Shelby Spong would be more accepted than, say, a Morris Chapman (president of the Southern Baptist Convention). Conversely, the major growth in Protestantism is coming directly within the evangelical and pentecostal segments, and I think Georgetown is not altogether comfortable embracing these groups within the big tent of "interreligious dialogue"; in part, because these groups are much more vocal about their faith than Georgetown (and its Ivy peers) are used to. Would Georgetown administrators be comfortable, for example, with evangelical students holding daily Bible study in Red Square, or would that send the wrong message to the prep school audience? |
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Post by saxacalhoya on Oct 28, 2006 16:27:32 GMT -5
Campus Ministry continues to be a point worthy of discussion. Agreed. And hopefully the committee created can explore some of the issues you raised in your reply, as well as, others that need to be discussed; with members from within the University, Protestant communities (both Georgetown and external) and others, it seems like it may be a good beginning. Would Georgetown administrators be comfortable, for example, with evangelical students holding daily Bible study in Red Square, or would that send the wrong message to the prep school audience? I think this is an interesting question. Red Square does allow for student groups to celebrate and share the uniqueness of each group -- whether that is protesting for a living wage, discussing the different positions of the Middle East conflict, raising awareness about domestic violence, recruiting for Hoya Blue, celebrating Jewish identity or sharing Filipino culture. So to me, it would seem that there wouldn't necessarily be an issue if evangelical students decided to hold a daily Bible study in Red Square. Perhaps an underlying question is whether or not it is possible to create an environment that respects all religious faiths without placing some boundaries that may impact the ways in which some of those faiths manifest themselves. Are boundaries acceptable? As an example, at what point does one student's right to witness infringe on another student's right not to receive witness? |
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Post by timex on Oct 29, 2006 22:38:15 GMT -5
does anyone know how to say : "sorry I am not interested"? that is everyones right..no one should get testy with that I hope. so your answer is..it is possible. but keep your attitude in check!
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Post by HealyHoya on Dec 15, 2006 11:59:23 GMT -5
first and foremost, this issue emphasizes Georgetown's absolutely amateur communications staff. the official statements from smulson and the university in the original article were confusing, lacked a clear central theme and were likely the cause of the second article -- something gu did not want. this should have been one story, a quick hit, brief public discussion and then internal dialogue to resolve. instead, gu's lack of a coherent communications strategy led to a second (and perhaps third...?) article, an extended media cycle, greater public discussion, etc.
terrible...hire professionals.
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 21, 2007 9:44:31 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 21, 2007 19:16:04 GMT -5
A tricky problem. I am all for spreading the Gospel, but it does not help calling Catholics heathens, for example, as some evangelicals often do. I like the idea of the t-shirt with St. Francis on it implying the best way to evangelize is by example.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 21, 2007 20:38:03 GMT -5
The article seems to take a strange tone, as if the Protestant groups should be seen but not heard. I've never run into a lot of street preaching at Red Square nor someone with a bullhorn preaching fire and brimstone, so I can't tell if this policy is somehow proactive or reactive.
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