YB
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Post by YB on Feb 23, 2006 13:01:08 GMT -5
OK, screaminghoya, let me put it another way:
1. get your facts straight. Devil Went Down to GA didn't come out in 1979, is one of the top 50 most played songs of all time, is something anyone who grew up in the US knows (and you knew), and has a great beat that is versatile to dance to.
2. We danced 5 different ballroom or latin dances to the song- so obviously it DOES mix.
3. The theory on all sides here was it might be something different... if some are too closed minded, classless, elitist or just generally unhappy in life- maybe your mommy didn't hug you enough before sending you to GU?- to enjoy it, fine. But I remain very proud of my kids and would have them do it again in a heartbeat.
Bottom line: If you have no talent and no balls, enough to not get out there and perform yourself, you have no room to be so critical. Period.
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CO_Hoya
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Post by CO_Hoya on Feb 23, 2006 13:02:46 GMT -5
You want halftime entertainment? How about having suzhoya93 squirt out the little snapper during halftime of the Cuse game at center court? Should be +/- a couple of days of her due date, and the crowd will quickly forget about ballroom dancing.
Who can make this happen?
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 23, 2006 13:05:35 GMT -5
YB, I understand you're upset, but calm down now. You're gonna get banned for flaming.
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YB
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Post by YB on Feb 23, 2006 13:09:34 GMT -5
I'd like to point out in my defense that I've had my kids called out in ways that the moderators NEVER would allow the GU hoops players to be called out, including by you, "bando". And, given this unnecessary crap, I will stand up and defend my kids in any manner I see fit. If the mods have a problem with this, they should take down the thread and admonish the offending posters therein.
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Post by Suzhoya93 on Feb 23, 2006 13:19:04 GMT -5
First off.... screw you all. Especially you, ms. hormones93. My kids were nervous as hell, most of them had never performed before and the fact that they didn't choke was a minor victory. Second... What's with the elitist attitude? Devil Went Down to GA is an American classic song... more so than "Since you Were gone"! Third... The routine included hustle, quickstep, polka, cha cha, as well as scottish and country line dancing. It was technically difficult and very legit. Fourth.... the Devils jersey was on someone playing A DEVIL!!!! While it was unfortunate we were playing at the Rutgers game- we were not going to change it for that reason. Look, while halftime of the game may not have been the ideal venue, I'm very proud of my kids, they did well; and I will not sit idly by and let negative, elitist people WHO WOULD NEVER HAVE THE COURAGE TO PERFORM IN FRONT OF SO MANY PEOPLE tear them down. That simply ain't right, and suze as a future mother I hope you don't treat your kids this way. Shameful. Okay -- I'm not going to get into a Editeding match with you. But, let me just say that I HAVE performed in front of many people, in front of my peers as well as others, in both competitive and exhibition formats, so don't go there. (and don't for one minute BEGIN to question my parenting skills.) I agree that it takes a lot of courage to go out and perform, but this was not the appropriate venue for a ballroom dancing club. You should have realized that. The group would be much better suited to a stage format, rather than an arena floor, where much of their movements were not captured by the majority of those watching. I did see some scottish dancing, polka, etc. -- but I had to really carefully watch to see it because the camera people aren't exactly the best at MCI. My biggest problem with the performance is that is not suited to a BASKETBALL ARENA. YB, as a coach or whatever your role is, I understand your desire to want your kids to do well and to be appreciated for their efforts. You need to put them in front of audiences who CAN appreciate their hard work. That audience is, for good or bad, not the average Hoya Basketball fan. Believe me when I say that my posted comments were tame compared to what I heard around me. If Georgetown still holds the Arts Gala, that would certainly be a better audience for the group. (which I have performed in as a band member, orchestral member, AND singer and dancer.) Okay -- so maybe I AM getting into a Editeding match, but I'm not going to back down just because YB posts on this board. I also think that you should realize that when Fr. McFadden announces the "ballroom dancers", Charlie Daniels starts playing on the PA, and they begin with a square dance, that there's going to be a lot of confused people in the stands.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Feb 23, 2006 13:19:08 GMT -5
Please don't lock this thread. Watching Mt. YB erupt at every perceived slight is even more fun that watching him practice his art at halftime. Kudos, sir, and keep up the good work.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 23, 2006 13:19:17 GMT -5
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ScreamingHoya
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Feb 23, 2006 13:23:02 GMT -5
The Charlie Daniels Band released The Devil Went Down to Georgia on their 1979 album Million Mile Reflections. I won't argue as to whether you can dance to it- It's not a ballroom dance song- that's why people at the game found the performance so odd. Finally, just because I, like tons of people at the game, thought the performance was ridiculous doesn't mean that we are closeminded, or elitist- just that we have eyes and ears. Also, you misspelled my name- it's ScreamingHoya, not screaminga$$hole. peace
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 23, 2006 13:41:42 GMT -5
I'm with YB on this one.
Ballroom style dancing may not be everybody's cup of tea. But that doesn't mean that it's ok to come onto the message boards and tear into the people who worked very hard to put the performance together. I personally am not a big ballroom dance guy myself. But I appreciate that YB and the kids he works with put a lot of time and effort into that performance and they came out on a big stage and gave it their all. That's commendable. It was a really big moment for those kids, and it's a real shame that they have to have that big moment sullied by impolite people who cannot control their tongues, just because they personally did not find the performance entertaining.
It was a big moment for all of those people out there. I understand the viewpoint that ballroom dancing is a peculiar form of half time entertainment, but if that's your complaint, try taking it up with the people in McDonough who schedule the acts, and maybe give some suggestions that might be better. But don't tear into the performers. They were asked to perform and they did their best, and I hope that they'd be proud of what they did. It's just wrong that impolite folks with big mouths want to insult these kids just because they don't appreciate the style of entertainment. To those who feel the need to do that, I say: Grow up.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 23, 2006 13:46:12 GMT -5
"Brothers! Brothers! (and Sisters!) We should be struggling together!"
"We are!"
"We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!"
"Groove Theory?!?!?"
"No, no! The Orange!!!"
"Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's right."
(sorry, I'm on a Monty Python kick today with all the cast member retrospectives that PBS started to run last night; Graham Chapman. . .what a nutbar!)
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Feb 23, 2006 13:54:01 GMT -5
I find this whole thread a bit ridiculous. Y'all crying about the halftime entertainment? Geez. Seems to me it's all filler, so what's the big deal?
And to trip about whether some music is a ballroom dance song, wow, I didn't know such strict genre existed. Seems to me you can use a wide variety of musics in such a context. But what do I know, I like the Art Ensemble of Chicago, Astor Piazzolla, Zap Mama, Claude Debussy, Jill Scott, Eddie Palmieri, as well as Sun Ra and a multitude of others.
YB, here's hoping you get to bring the "ballroom dancers" back and I get to see 'em. Forget the killjoys!
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Post by fsohoya on Feb 23, 2006 13:56:36 GMT -5
I just feel sorry for the dancers who keep getting called "kids." I feel like we're talking about little Janey and Johny's act in the first grade talent show.
For what it's worth, I don't fault the ballroom dancers for trying and at least it was something different. I think it's a lesson learned, though, that a basketball half-time might not be the ideal venue for such a performance.
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YB
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Post by YB on Feb 23, 2006 13:58:10 GMT -5
The point was to try something different- for us as well as for halftime. This was the team's first time doing anything like this.... they were nervous as hell and did fine. I think the fact that you all thought that, necessarily, "ballroom" must mean tuxes etc, that it couldn't mean CDB or incorporating some other stuff, actually DOES show a certain degree of closed-mindedness.
I remain proud of my kids, I don't think they deserve to be called out in this kind of cruel, obnoxious way, and ESPECIALLY in the first post of this thread, which I thought was particularly gratuitous. I mean, really suze, how'd YOU like your kids described that way?
Truth is, if you like country music you'd likely be open minded to it; if you're from the NY area and regard the Red states as "flyover country", you probably didn't appreciate it as much; but that said, I'm still not sorry we did it bc 1) we performed it well considering 8 out if the 11 were performing ANYTHING for the first time; and 2) exposure to different things is NOT a bad thing, folks.
Sorry about the "kids" thing, I'm a coach and it's a term of endearment.
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Post by Suzhoya93 on Feb 23, 2006 14:06:44 GMT -5
AvantGuardHoya, when the boos are louder than the applause, it's a bigger problem than simply people being "killjoys." And that's certainly what I heard in my section. That's not good for anyone, especially the dancers.
I'm sorry if my remarks hurt people's feelings -- perhaps my first post comments were a bit gratuitous and could have been a bit more "constructive". I also understand YB's vehement posts - and if they were my "kids", I'd probably be just as strong in my words. However, it's not as if I was the only one who shared my viewpoint.
Wow -- "working" from home really gives me a lot of time to post on these boards. :-)
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HealyHoya
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Post by HealyHoya on Feb 23, 2006 14:12:01 GMT -5
Lay off YB. More importantly, lay off the kids.
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hoopsmccan
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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 23, 2006 14:21:19 GMT -5
Just a point of clarification, are the "kids" Georgetown students or actual kids?
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Post by fsohoya on Feb 23, 2006 14:21:49 GMT -5
GU students.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Feb 23, 2006 14:24:04 GMT -5
My complements to the Ballroom Dance Company are as follows: 1) You didn't come early and reserve front row seats for late arriving members like Groove Theory did at the West Virginia game. 2) You had the guts to go out there in front of a lot of people and perform.
However, I agree with many on this board that there is no way in hell that this was the right venue for that performance. Everyone around me in the student section was confused at best. And let me tell you, I'm from NY and I'm a huge fan of that song. I have a girlfriend on the dance team and I was upset they were relegated to a timeout for a second straight game (and embarassed by the idiots of the MCI PA system who couldn't get their CD player to work). While the Ballroom Dance Company can go and perform at Arts Events, the Dance Team ONLY performs at sports related events. Whatever deficiencies you guys on this board might see in the Dance Team, I promise you that they work their tails off to perform at the games. I just hope that the Athletic Department will be more careful about brushing these girls aside in the future.
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Post by dairishhoya on Feb 23, 2006 14:24:40 GMT -5
I rarely, if ever, agree with YB however I got his back on this one. I think half-time presents a great opportunity to showcase the talent of other student groups around campus that some folks may not normally see. I am a huge fan of Groove Theory and I enjoy their performances, but there are other groups that work just as hard and show just as much heart. The dancers did that last night. The one point I would agree with other posters about is that the context wasn't set for them in the way that it should have been. I think YB has done a good job explaining it now, but something like this probably should have been said last night: Please welcome Georgetown's Ballroom Dancing troupe to the floor as they perform Or something like that. YB just so you know, I was there with somebody new to Georgetown basketball and was asked about the performance, unfortunately, I didn't have the information that I now do and that's a shame (I will follow-up though). I do hope they make this a regular occurrence at games because it's a great chance to show students, alumni, faculty & staff and other fans the diversity of extracurricular activities available to the campus community. --But then again, I also think we should have a dance contest at the half similar to the Navy game. ;D
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Post by georgetowngrad05 on Feb 23, 2006 14:26:22 GMT -5
I only mentioned tuxedos because that is what I associate with ballroom dancing. That is probably small minded of me, yes. I didn't mean it in a derogatory way, I just was not expecting the costumes. I actually thought at first some student group was going to make fun of WVU fans.
I actually appreciated the music, being a country fan myself I was tapping along with the beat. As a whole, I thought it was an unexpected combination, but obviously took some original thinking. Doing the country thing probably made more people pay attention, because I would imagine people would have tuned out hearing a symphony. Good dancing, good music, but maybe people are just reacting at the combination.
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