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Post by highlandparkhoya on Jan 9, 2006 15:00:45 GMT -5
It is official. Comments?
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Post by thebin on Jan 9, 2006 15:06:54 GMT -5
Yes. guhoyas.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010906aad.htmlHe's been around, knows how to recruit at schools where admissions are tricky- Navy and Dartmouth. Was the DC at Marshall, not sure how you go from DC to special teams/LBs coach.... Seems like a big time hire for us right now though, I am happy to quite happy at this news... He has coached many different areas, never seen anything like it. LBs, DBs, O Backs, special teams, DC.
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Post by Jack on Jan 9, 2006 15:12:43 GMT -5
Repost from the other thread: I like Kelly's resume- Navy has a great tradition with coaches (I just read the Halberstam Belichick book), and he has a nice combination of experience with good programs (Tulane, Marshall, Syracuse, Navy) and with recruiting under academic strictures (Bowdoin, Dartmouth, Navy). Looks like a solid choice to me. He is also a native New Englander, and that has been a pretty decent recruiting territory under Benson as well. His Navy bio: navysports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kelly_kevin00.html
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2006 15:33:51 GMT -5
I love to watch Navy's offense -- the spread triple option or triple wing or whatever you call it. Navy repeatedly runs all over teams with more talent, but you need speed.
It will be interesting to see if a) he brings in this offense, b) if he runs it as run-oriented as Navy does. The offense's closest relatives are actually Northwestern and Texas Tech's spreads rather than the wishbone or Nebraska option.
Two wideouts, two wingbacks (fast tailbacks), a fullback and a mobile QB.
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Post by Jack on Jan 9, 2006 15:43:05 GMT -5
Kelly seems to be a defensive guy, so there is still a large question about the offense. Maybe he brings another assistant from Navy to be OC, but I would not even venture a guess about what kind of offense he will run yet.
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Post by hoya4ever on Jan 9, 2006 15:50:27 GMT -5
Do football coaching changes work like basketball? Does he get to choose all the assistants? Will some of our old assistants still be here?
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Post by tallerthanhibbert on Jan 9, 2006 16:24:49 GMT -5
Based on resume, I think Kevin Kelly is about as good a choice as there was, all things considered. After watching Benson (who, by many accounts and in my opinion, was a near-brilliant X's and O's guy) for a few years, and watching especially closely this past year, I think the Hoyas' future under Kelly will be, ultimately, decided by two things. 1) Creative recruiting. This is obvious and I don't think I need to explain it. 2) I think Kelly needs to keep the team disciplined both on and off the field. I don't think we want to see football players out till 4 am the night before a home game, like I know some of us have. If he can establish himself as someone the players respect, I think we'll keep improving. No matter which assistants he hires, what offense he institutes, or what changes he makes to the defense, these two things, in my opinion, are the biggest factors. Unfortunately, if a guy hasn't been a head coach, and Kelly has not, it is very hard to tell from his resume whether or not he can do either of these things. Fingers are crossed though. Still, two thumbs up to Bernie Muir on this hire. Also, when did the dad from Home Alone take up coaching? Check this out. Am I alone in noticing this resemblance? Kevin Kelly: guhoyas.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/gu-m-footbl-body.htmlDad from Home Alone: www.port.hu/picture/instance_2/56718_2.jpg
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 9, 2006 16:49:52 GMT -5
Kelly seems to be a defensive guy, so there is still a large question about the offense. Maybe he brings another assistant from Navy to be OC, but I would not even venture a guess about what kind of offense he will run yet. I think Jack's right that the offense is still a question mark, but I would love to see us run Navy's offense and think it would a) be fun to watch and b) be effective in the PL. I wonder though, do we have the right players to run that offense now or would it take 2 years of recruiting to run it effectively? I only got to see one game this season, so I'll leave answering that question up to others. As far as bringing in coordinators/assistants goes, it would be nice if there was someone out there loyal to Kelly, who wouldn't mind sticking around for a few years despite being underpaid that could be brought in. Other questions: Anybody know anything about the terms of Kelly's contract? Is Navy's funding level for I-A similar to GU's funding level for I-AA/PL teams? Overall, seems like a good hire.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Jan 9, 2006 17:32:45 GMT -5
He kind of looks like my old dorm chaplain, Father Jack Kelly. Any relation?
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Post by thebin on Jan 9, 2006 17:41:45 GMT -5
We can be sure Navy's budget is several times bigger than Gtowns. The most tangible reason for Gtown's losses in recent years is that the football budget is BY FAR the smallest in the Patriot League. Surely Navy has a bigger budget than even the richest PL program.
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Post by Jack on Jan 9, 2006 17:44:59 GMT -5
I believe Austin's question was about relative funding- is Georgetown's funding compared to the PL similar to Navy's funding compared to other I-A schools? No idea on the answer, but certainly Navy has structural disadvantages that make competing more difficult, and they have done well recently in spite of those disadvantages.
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Post by thebin on Jan 9, 2006 17:53:45 GMT -5
In that case, the speculation level ups, but I would say that in all probablity even relative to the level of competition, Gtown is far poorer. I would be pretty surprised if Navy's budget was less than half of the poorest opponent they play as is the case with the Hoyas in the PL. I don't think of Navy as a poor program, just constrained by the nature of the academy and what being a Middie means and demands of a young man or woman.
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Post by Jack on Jan 9, 2006 18:26:00 GMT -5
In that case, the speculation level ups, but I would say that in all probablity even relative to the level of competition, Gtown is far poorer. I would be pretty surprised if Navy's budget was less than half of the poorest opponent they play as is the case with the Hoyas in the PL. I don't think of Navy as a poor program, just constrained by the nature of the academy and what being a Middie means and demands of a young man or woman. Well given that Navy occasionally play I-AA schools and always plays the other service academies, I am sure you are correct. If they were in a conference you could make a better comparison, but now we are starting to talk about totally different subjects. I am pretty sure Navy's football budget is less than half of Notre Dame's though. The larger point is about competing with natural handicaps, and the Navy staff well has done well with that.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2006 21:59:40 GMT -5
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 9, 2006 22:44:09 GMT -5
In that case, the speculation level ups, but I would say that in all probablity even relative to the level of competition, Gtown is far poorer. I would be pretty surprised if Navy's budget was less than half of the poorest opponent they play as is the case with the Hoyas in the PL. I don't think of Navy as a poor program, just constrained by the nature of the academy and what being a Middie means and demands of a young man or woman. Navy does get the federal budget that pays for every midshipman to go there without paying tuition though. That still doesn't offset the rigorous process of having to get in but the academies do have their own prep schools that active duty enlisted trying to get into the academies or that athletes who have academic deficiencies for the Academy standards can go to. A friend of mine in HS was recruited by a couple of Academies for football and had an offer to go to one of the preps (I think it was Air Force) so he could get his grades up for the Academy.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2006 22:46:57 GMT -5
In that case, the speculation level ups, but I would say that in all probablity even relative to the level of competition, Gtown is far poorer. I would be pretty surprised if Navy's budget was less than half of the poorest opponent they play as is the case with the Hoyas in the PL. I don't think of Navy as a poor program, just constrained by the nature of the academy and what being a Middie means and demands of a young man or woman. Well given that Navy occasionally play I-AA schools and always plays the other service academies, I am sure you are correct. If they were in a conference you could make a better comparison, but now we are starting to talk about totally different subjects. I am pretty sure Navy's football budget is less than half of Notre Dame's though. The larger point is about competing with natural handicaps, and the Navy staff well has done well with that. Hard to pinpoint Navy's budget. Remember, there's no tuition so there's no scholarships. Instead of charter planes, I hear they fly in C-130s for free. But in general, I assume they can't recruit as much. But money is nothing compared to that whole military commitment.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 10, 2006 2:43:12 GMT -5
Obviously this is nearly impossible to evaluate, but it seems like a solid hire.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 10, 2006 3:08:21 GMT -5
Obviously this is nearly impossible to evaluate, but it seems like a solid hire. Agree. Based on his pedigree, it seems like a solid hire. I love his quote: "I don't think there is any question we can win at Georgetown. There's been a lot of good work that's been put into this program, and now it's time to take it to the next level." Hopefully he can inject some semblance of life into our offense while maintaining our tenacious D. Can't wait to watch him "take [us] to the next level."
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Post by hoya34 on Jan 10, 2006 7:30:25 GMT -5
Why is everyone so psyched about this guy? He obviously took a step backward when he went from Marshall to Navy (does that signify a firing?). He was the middle linebacker's coach at a military academy, we couldn't do better than that. I got jumped all over for suggesting Sgarlata deserved a chance - I don't see what this guys brings to the table thats so great.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 10, 2006 7:54:40 GMT -5
He obviously took a step backward when he went from Marshall to Navy... That's a bit unfair not knowing the situation, but assistant coaches move all the time--it's a way of life. It's also about working with other coaches, too. Moving one's family to Annapolis and working with Paul Johnson's remarkable reconstruction of Navy football is no step backward.
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