thebin
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Post by thebin on Oct 30, 2004 17:57:54 GMT -5
Get off your ----- horse pal.
[Edited. Keep the language clean.]
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Post by showcase on Oct 30, 2004 19:06:38 GMT -5
Is the reason we haven't seen Cangelosi because he stinks in practice or that the people in charge of that decision are stubborn and don't like to acknowledge their mistakes? I think the data suggest no conclusion as of yet.
Also, this OC is brand new this year. At this point, I'm honestly not sure what's worse: staying with this guy another year or continuing the revolving door. Does anyone have any thoughts why there's a new man in this position each and every year?
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Oct 30, 2004 19:25:00 GMT -5
I have to assume Cangelosi has been very unimpressive in practice- afterall the coaches are alternating a whole lot with the other two. I am torn- I very rarely think a coach should be fired at this level after only one or two seasons- but this guy has shown nothing- and I mean nothing. I don't have the answers here- just a whole lot of questions. On the one hand there would seem to be a good reason that Cangelosi has not played- but as you suggest, it might be time to stop assuming all of the coach's decisions are sound.
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Post by showcase on Oct 30, 2004 19:52:34 GMT -5
As I suggested earlier, lets also not entirely discount the possibility that there was nothing to be gained by throwing Cangelosi into the mix this afternoon. After all, it was clear that no one was going to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, and that the wheels had most definitely come off. I'd like to think that the staff held Cangelosi out to keep some of the stink of this latest debacle off him, so that they can insert him into the starting lineup with a chance at success.
Or, indeed, as you suggest, he may very well stink in practice. That said, I haven't seen a great deal of acumen at evaluating QB talent in this staff the past few years. Ultimately, I think we should leave all possible explanations on the table.
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hoya4ever
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Post by hoya4ever on Oct 30, 2004 20:01:44 GMT -5
I've seen a few practices and Cangelosi didn't seem to suck at all. He had a good arm but he gave me the impression that he didn't know the playbook inside out. He might have improved since then, however.
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Post by HoyaFanatic on Oct 30, 2004 22:14:37 GMT -5
Cangelosi can play if they give him the chance..and talking to him, he is ready to go. He is a competitor with some fire... he doesnt understand why we keep losing (as the rest of us) and he wants to do something about it.
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Post by Wes Coast on Oct 31, 2004 13:25:24 GMT -5
Listening to the game I was impressed with the play of the defense... those guys play with a lot of heart... the interception at the beginning of the game was inspiring... What I don't understand is why the offensive play calling is so damn unimaginative... A draw play to Sarin for no yardage, Davis up the middle for -1, 3rd and 11... time and time again, or worse... Drew and Kieth are handicapped by down and distance repeatedly... the defense clearly has the advantage. Here's my suggestion: Don't send Kim up the middle ever again, send him off tackle, or out into the flat for a swing pass... get him out of traffic and into the open, one on one with a defender closer to his own size... his elusive ability is wasted in the middle of the line ... Post game interviews with the coaches that beat us reveal their strategy: "going in we knew we just had to stack the box..." The VMI game was fun and wide open... I know Fordham is no VMI, but next week I'll bet Lehigh will stack the box, like Fordham, unless we open it up on first down... what have we got lose?
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Post by Rome Is Burning on Oct 31, 2004 14:35:17 GMT -5
Uzelac isn't a tough nut to crack guys, he is a stubborn old (60 something years old) set in his ways coach. He believes in a system predicated on the option. Rather than being flexable and conforming the offense to the personel available he does just the opposite and tries to jam square pegs into round holes. At Univ. of Kentucky this is the same guy that got fired for trying to make the best drop back passer in the country at the time Tim Couch run the option, if he won't change for Tim Couch he isn't going to change for Drew Crawford or any of the rest of the Hoyas. This being said you have to base a decision to keep or fire him on a couple of facets. First do you believe the offense he installed can be effective? Second can he recruit kids talented enough with the right skill sets for the offense? Third are we willing to wait a few years for him to get "his kids" in place to do the job? If the answers to any of these questions is no then you have your answer, fire him and move on.
On a side note from my post yesterday I was frustrated but stand by what I said. I never intended to put any heat on the players they are men but they are also to a degree still kids and still have amateur status. I know how hard they work and they have battled through a very trying season and I'm proud of every guy out there representing GU as a player. I would also like to point out that I never mentioned the decline of the program as an issue with the players I directed my post at the coaching staff, the players are just out there executing the schemes and plays the coaches direct them to do. As far as coming down on the coaches as D-1AA coaches it comes with the job and with the exception of coaches like Paterno college football is a "what have you done for me lately" atmosphere, put up or shut up. You can't argue with the numbers and the worse the record gets the harder it will be to get good recruits.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 31, 2004 15:47:57 GMT -5
DFW, my point was to spend the money on the academics. I was wondering if going "bigger time" in football was a pipe dream considering lack of resources now, when they can be spent on academics (and of course bball). Football is always the big money sport as far as bringing in the money, but it is also expensive.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 31, 2004 16:22:05 GMT -5
There's a misperception out there that money for athletics comes at the expense of academics. That's not the case. A significant portion of the football budget comes from alumni gifts. That's not coming out of any undergraduate academic fund. Georgetown spent about $3,300 per football player in 2003 for what are operating expenses (expenses other than scholarships and coaching salaries), which is comparable to baseball ($3,785) but less than track ($4,544) and soccer ($4,792). Of course, there are more football players, so the aggregate is higher. By contrast, men's basketball spent over $52,000 in operating expenses per player, but that's a smaller sample and a national sport. The Patriot League is not "big-time". Georgetown is not trying to be Syracuse. But can (and should) Georgetown compete in football with peers, esp. Ivy League schools, whose football budgets and philosophies are comparable? Yes. Data source: U.S. Dept of Education: www.ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.asp
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Post by reformation on Oct 31, 2004 17:24:09 GMT -5
DFW, do the numbers that you show incl scholarship aid, if not they are misleading--also if you want to really cost sports programs you would have to examine their relative effect on the academic qualifications of the overall student body. That said, I agree with you that football deserves support since I find it hard to believe that GU cannot compete at the patriot-Ivy level. Since you mentioned the other sports, I think that baseball is a bigger question mark for univ support along with sports such as women's volleyball which cost a lot of money but have no chance of competing at a national championship level and are not focus sports for our peer university's. All of these sports need accountability for the coaches +administrators , which unfortunately no sport at GU has.
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Post by NoCleverName on Oct 31, 2004 19:52:58 GMT -5
DFW,
Are those numbers (operating expenses per athlete per sport) publicly available?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 1, 2004 12:31:21 GMT -5
DFW, fair enough. So what is the problem with the football team. I had expected a gradual process of being competitive in the PL, but we seem worse this year than we have been in the previous PL years. Rebuilding year?
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