DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 22, 2007 12:08:21 GMT -5
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jhoyafan
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Post by jhoyafan on Dec 22, 2007 12:09:33 GMT -5
surprised we're playing man
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Oh My!
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Post by Oh My! on Dec 22, 2007 12:15:23 GMT -5
My first impression of this game comes down to one word: DISCIPLINE
We have it. They don't.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 22, 2007 12:18:57 GMT -5
Nice running hook by Vernon.
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geedell
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Post by geedell on Dec 22, 2007 12:19:33 GMT -5
My first impression of this game comes down to one word: DISCIPLINE We have it. They don't. WHAT a contrast!
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jhoyafan
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Post by jhoyafan on Dec 22, 2007 12:20:05 GMT -5
someone tell Bilas he doesn't have to drop a Rafteryism at every commercial break....
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 22, 2007 12:50:30 GMT -5
Can't end the half like that...lets go Hoyas, come out of the locker strong
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geedell
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Post by geedell on Dec 22, 2007 12:51:21 GMT -5
Free throws are KILLING us
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 22, 2007 12:52:10 GMT -5
They had a lot more discipline than us. We looked awful in our decision-making. Too many stupid shots, too many bad defensive choices.
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Post by crzyhoya on Dec 22, 2007 12:52:17 GMT -5
The heart attack Hoyas are here. Offensive rebounds and free throws. ROY, DO YOUR THING!
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Dec 22, 2007 12:52:46 GMT -5
Free throws are KILLING us Vernon is got to improve. He's a prime target in these games.
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HoyaPride
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Post by HoyaPride on Dec 22, 2007 12:53:18 GMT -5
Free Throws and PE JR. No defensive rebounding, ill-advised shots,taking the ball off the rim, etc. Not a good half. Roy needs to step up and Austin needs more minutes. TURN IT UP A NOTCH!
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 22, 2007 12:53:45 GMT -5
We need to do a much better job on the defensive boards too.
Vernon's FTs . . . . ugh.
Also, Austin should have gotten time at the end of the half, as he and Summers were our best players so far. When Rivers, Ewing and Macklin are out there together we can't create enough shots.
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 22, 2007 12:56:25 GMT -5
I'll echo what most have said already. The two things we need to improve have been there all year so far.....free throws and rebounds. If we had cut their off. rebounds in half and made 70% of our FT, this game would be well in hand. Let's see what the guys have in the 2nd half.
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Oh My!
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Post by Oh My! on Dec 22, 2007 12:56:58 GMT -5
They had a lot more discipline than us. We looked awful in our decision-making. Too many stupid shots, too many bad defensive choices. Are you watching the same game? With the exception of the last 4 minutes, we were CLEARLY the more-disciplined team. They picked up dumb fould early, had HORRIBLE shot selection, & got at least 3 shots off of Offensive rebounds. Did we lapse in discipline? ABSOLUTELY. Jeremiah, Jessie, and Chris each took ill-advised shots, and Jon picked up 2 lazy fouls. Still, for much of the half, we looked much "cleaner" than they did on offense. I have not seen stats, but we may have had assistas on over 10 of our FG's.
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Post by sbgorms on Dec 22, 2007 12:57:31 GMT -5
I disagree that it is decision making that is hurting us right now. There were a couple bad ones, but it is the bad free throw shooting, mediocre rebounding at the defensive end and not having Roy for a substantial chunk of time. All that, and we're down three to the number 2 ranked team.
Success in the second half is going to depend on continuing to force Memphis into their halfcourt offense as much as possible, getting Roy involved at the offensive end (don't care if he's scoring, but it forces defensive adjustments and opens up lanes every time he has the ball in his hand), and I think what could be the most important thing if we want to win this game:
FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS, FREE THROWS. Winning teams hit their free throws in crunch time.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 22, 2007 12:58:19 GMT -5
while the zone does slow them down some, it also really exposes our rebounding problems. the free throws is misleading, since we are 7-10 without shaq macklin at the line. we can rip them team apart in the halfcourt offense if our guards, sapp especially, are more patient and move the ball. rivers played horribly the last few minutes of the half. roy needs more touches and less silly fouls. freeman is amazing.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Dec 22, 2007 12:59:25 GMT -5
I am not saying this for every game--but in THIS GAME
1. MORE AUSTIN FREEMAN--I don't care how--get him on the court-he's the difference for this year's team in achieving the goals and he's got to play 20+ minutes for that to happen. He can rebound, shoot, and do so in a silent way.
2. Chris Wright should be in more then Jeremiah.
3. Use Roy at midcourt area as an outlet to beat the press--he's a big target/good passer, and will prevent the press from bothering the team.
4. DUNK the ball when near the rim--quit going up soft--go up STRONG!
5. Anytime Andre Allen is in--which hasn't been much--pressure him--he's awful. Makes stupid decisions and their offense becomes stagnant.
6. Vernon Macklin has got to change his FT--it's got sidespin--he's got to do something different--the young man is obviously frustrated--and it's hurting the team--BUT--it can be corrected--look how much Patrick's FT's have improved in less then 2 weeks! Macklin's not going to be a high percentage FT shooter--but he's got to give the shot a better chance then what he does now--that isn't going to go in--EVER.
7. Have Wallace throw ball in or Wright when he's in--and let Rivers/Sapp receive the pass--Jessie's done a poor job on the inbounds passes--the key is to get the ball in quick--and beat them before they set up--but Jessie was holding/waiting and that allows them to set up.
I like how the kids are playing--Memphis is an outstanding team--lots of quickness/toughness--and yet I think Hoyas substitutions helped Memphis as much as anything--PLAY FREEMAN!!! Set Austin--FREE!!! ;D
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 22, 2007 13:01:31 GMT -5
Well, I count discipline all over the place. We're out of rebounding position a ridiculous amount of the time, we're often overextending our defense on their guards, we're taking some stupid and quick shots. I guess we can play the comparison game all day, but we've been playing overexcited or we'd be up big given how Memphis played. Most importantly, we're playing their game.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 22, 2007 13:02:19 GMT -5
I agree that I was surprised Austin wasn't out there in the end.
I think the Hoyas should have been up by at least 8 but always turned over the ball or missed a layup at a key juncture which led to Memphis going on a little run.
Memphis have also hit their threes and their free throws.
There is no purpose...NONE...of having a 7-2 guy with soft touch if the team is going to repeatedly get him the ball that. few times and if he is going to continue to keep passing it out the few times he does touch it. This needs to stop before BE play begins. Actually it needs to stop before this upcoming second half.
When Sapp drives straight to the hoop its always for one thing...a layup attempt. He should learn how to pass it off for an easy basket for a teammate. Memphis has gotten about five baskets in the first half by a perimeter player passing to an open teammate in the paint.
Vernon's FT attempts look softer and closer to going on. But of course that does us no good if they don't fall.
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