Bahstin
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Post by Bahstin on Dec 11, 2004 21:48:02 GMT -5
ND lost to DePaul.
PC lost to Witchita St.
St. John's lost to Hofstra.
Seton Hall barely beat St. Peter's.
I don't feel like looking at all the results, but it seems to be a slow start for Big East teams. Is this going to be a down year for the league?
Also, Oral Roberts is up in their late game. They should be 7-0 when we get to them.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 11, 2004 21:58:47 GMT -5
BC beat BU 80-74 to go to 7-0. That ain't exactly a slow start, but then again, BC ain't exactly a Big East team any more.
They didn't look as sluggish as they did against Holy Cross earlier this week, but they didn't look all that great either. They were playing without their PG (Hinnant, ankle sprain) and it's clear they have noone else who can reliably run the point.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 12, 2004 12:53:31 GMT -5
The effect on the computer rankings:
In Pomeroy, we jumped to 83rd. More importantly, the weak Big East dropped a bunch of teams, so Pomeroy has us slated as 7th in the BE with the 3rd hardest schedule to date.
If we were to split the second 2 Rainbow Classic games (we are now slightly favored over ORU), Pomeroy has a predicted record of 15-12 (7-9). And has us only as home dogs to UConn and WVU (-1).
Sagarin does not "like" us nearly as much, and we're at 104.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 12, 2004 13:45:51 GMT -5
what ar e the rest of the teams in the hawaii classic who do we play next and what time is oral roberts game on the 20th the schedule says 1000 am that cant be right would be like 4am hawaii time help thanks anyone
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hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 12, 2004 14:03:15 GMT -5
what ar e the rest of the teams in the hawaii classic who do we play next and what time is oral roberts game on the 20th the schedule says 1000 am that cant be right would be like 4am hawaii time help thanks anyone Ive noticed that you dont like to use punctuation. Makes it tough to read your posts.
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Post by MEGAFAN on Dec 12, 2004 14:19:01 GMT -5
The effect on the computer rankings: In Pomeroy, we jumped to 83rd. More importantly, the weak Big East dropped a bunch of teams, so Pomeroy has us slated as 7th in the BE with the 3rd hardest schedule to date. If we were to split the second 2 Rainbow Classic games (we are now slightly favored over ORU), Pomeroy has a predicted record of 15-12 (7-9). And has us only as home dogs to UConn and WVU (-1). Sagarin does not "like" us nearly as much, and we're at 104. How does the SOS ranking work in the different systems? I noticed that we are soooo low on the Sagarin ratings in this area, when we clearly have had a tougher schedule then many teams, such as Syracuse. Is this still using any type of pre-season bias, or does it take the remaining non-conference schedule into account, which still doesn't make sense? GO HOYAS!!!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 12, 2004 14:30:17 GMT -5
Rainbow Classic Field and Pomeroy/Sagarin Ranking
UAB----------------------------(29/23) Clemson----------------------(39/30) Hawaii-------------------------(82/124) Georgetown-----------------(83/104) Oral Roberts-----------------(104/79) USC----------------------------(148/187 Indiana State----------------(153/94) Long Beach State-----------(230/233)
Becuase of the bracket, we'll probably get a decent schedule eithyer way.
If we beat ORU, we get a crack at Hawaii, most likely. If we lose, we'll play Long Beach State, but if we beat LBSU, we'll play UAB or Clemson most likely.
Ideally, if we win our first two, we'll face ORU, Hawaii and UAB.
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Post by hoyanick on Dec 12, 2004 14:31:26 GMT -5
Lay off lichoya68's style, hoyabinx He is obviously just doing his best Faulkner expression. With the kind of I had to read in AP English all those years, that stream of consciousness style feels very familiar to me.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 12, 2004 14:57:07 GMT -5
How does the SOS ranking work in the different systems? I noticed that we are soooo low on the Sagarin ratings in this area, when we clearly have had a tougher schedule then many teams, such as Syracuse. Is this still using any type of pre-season bias, or does it take the remaining non-conference schedule into account, which still doesn't make sense? GO HOYAS!!! Not sure about the other systems, but at this point in the season, Sagarin has no preseason bias, which is why it will be a little while before our SOS begins to accurately reflect who we've played. Right now, SOS rankings are just as off as the overall rankings, because all teams are technically connected, but it's too early for those connections to reach critical mass.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 12, 2004 15:28:39 GMT -5
He is obviously just doing his best Faulkner expression. With the kind of I had to read in AP English all those years, that stream of consciousness style feels very familiar to me. HA HA HA. ;D
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 12, 2004 16:03:25 GMT -5
Lay off lichoya68's style, hoyabinx He is obviously just doing his best Faulkner expression. With the kind of I had to read in AP English all those years, that stream of consciousness style feels very familiar to me. haha, i was going to drop the faulkner reference but i didnt want to be the dork that did it, but seeing that most of us are georgetown students and alumni i guess avoiding geekiness is impossible. good times
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Post by bmartin on Dec 12, 2004 19:45:20 GMT -5
The Sagarin rating combines two different systems. If you follow Sagarin out to the right margin, he has "ELO Chess" and "Predictor" numbers for each team. Predictor is based on comparing scores with adjustments for home and away. ELO Chess is not concerned with margins of victory, just who did you play, where did you play, and did you win or lose. Georgetown is ranked 104 in Predictor, but 134 in ELO Chess. Essentially, they lost to Temple at home and do not get credit for big margins in their wins. I don't know the formula for combining the two, but somehow the result is a Sagarin ranking of 115.
Pomeroy seems to be based mostly on comparisons of scores with home and away adjustments, much like Sagarin's "Predictor." The difference between the two could be in how much home advantage they factor in, and how they deal with blowouts. At some point the winning team gets no more credit for running up the margin, but this may be done differently by different ratings systems.
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Post by Jack on Dec 13, 2004 19:13:01 GMT -5
Temple giving Wake a game right now- that might help the old RPI too.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 13, 2004 19:19:59 GMT -5
Temple giving Wake a game right now- that might help the old RPI too. That's only if they win though, right?
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 13, 2004 19:31:34 GMT -5
thats why he says "might"
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Post by MEGAFAN on Dec 14, 2004 2:37:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately for Temple (who I happen to like, especially Cheney), and for us, they weren't able to pull it out, and went down 67-64. They were really right there the whole time. It was a very good game with a lot of lead changes and solid d at times.
However, it always seems that the more experienced and higher ranked teams separate themselves when it comes down to crunch time. That's why I always prefer to have a player who is big in the clutch, even if he's inconsistent, than a guy who consistently puts up big numbers, but doesn't score when it counts. Not that this is an indictment of Temple, 'cause Marty Collins hits BIG shots, but a general observation.
While the almost win doesn't do much for us and our RPI, trust me when I tell you that this Temple team is legitimate, and may even break into the top 25 for a week or two, and most likely will make the tourney. GW may be more offensivley gifted, and Dayton and St. Joe's can be tough in the A-10, but give me that great defense and a pg like Collins, and I like Temple's chances come league play.
They are an example of a team who's scheduling goes so far as to sometimes hurt their chances of making the NCAA's, but this year I think they'll overcome that. Also, even though I know a good loss does only so much, Temple will be a good team to have on our schedule, barring the small chance that we are in contention for an at-large bid. However, as I've stated before, I will be slightly more than satisfied with a record above .500 overall, and at least 6 wins in the BE, if we demonstrate that we are learning as a team, and if we can build on a good NIT performance heading into next year.
No, don't worry, MEGAFANLAND is still on the horizon, but I will wait until the Hawaii tournament is over to start making outrageous statements and predictions.
This may not be the right thread to start it on, but is anybody else out there interested in participating in a pool I want to organize, whereby everyone forks up, say $10, to predict how the Hoyas will fare in the entire BE schedule? We can also include a prediction of the BET results and/or our final RPI or something, as a tie-breaker, if somehow more than a single person nails the whole schedule.
Let's say that we get 25 people together, we could donate $250 to the Hoya Hoop Club, and it could go under the winner's name, so as to make them eligible for special benefits awarded to members in the $250-500 range. Say we get 100 people, the winner would be responsible for donating $1000 to the club, and could reap the member benefits that come with that contribution level. What do you say?
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Post by SpanishHoya on Dec 14, 2004 8:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 14, 2004 8:44:11 GMT -5
MEGA I'm in...I got $10, hell, $20 burning a hole in my pocket.
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Post by YB on Dec 14, 2004 12:06:54 GMT -5
Great idea Mega. I already have 2 other side bets on the topic, so what's one more?
Come one everyone, let's go in on this. $20 entry, winner donates all proceeds to the HHC.
Need to start it soon!
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Post by SFOHoya on Dec 14, 2004 12:12:47 GMT -5
Great idea Mega - I'm in as well
(Though you might want to start a new thread about it)
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