GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 11, 2004 12:51:28 GMT -5
Jimmy- Its not just like the student section, I dont care how good the view is, it looks boring as hell and I want to be in the student section for as long as possible, even after I graduate for a few years. There is nothing that can compare to being in the first couple rows with the die-hards.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 11, 2004 12:57:20 GMT -5
As an alum, I think there are definitely good points about being in the student section, and some good points about being in the young alumni section, but how can you argue that mid-court seats aren't better than being in the student section, while simultaneous arguing that the student section should reach around into midcourt seats?
P.S. Shouldn't you be at McDonough right now?
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ScreamingHoya
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Dec 11, 2004 13:14:36 GMT -5
I did sit in the student section a few times last year and the atmosphere is very exciting. I just happen to like the seats I am in now- surrounded by the real die-hards. I'm not criticizing the students who dress up for every game and cheer for our team- you guys are awesome. But a die-hard is someone who continues to buy season tickets year after year after year, even when your team's reputation is sinking. A die-hard Georgetown fan is someone who remembers watching alonzo and dikembe and even joey brown (my favorite hoya ) Again, I'm not critcizing anyone- I just don't like seeing the alums, most of whom know much more about the team than the current students, chastised. In response to 2007- actually yes, they do have to be fair. I agree that the atmosphere would certainly change things a lot, but my only point is that the alums aren't going to be happy paying two or three times more for the same seats the students get.
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hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 11, 2004 13:36:35 GMT -5
I did sit in the student section a few times last year and the atmosphere is very exciting. I just happen to like the seats I am in now- surrounded by the real die-hards. I'm not criticizing the students who dress up for every game and cheer for our team- you guys are awesome. But a die-hard is someone who continues to buy season tickets year after year after year, even when your team's reputation is sinking. A die-hard Georgetown fan is someone who remembers watching alonzo and dikembe and even joey brown (my favorite hoya ) Again, I'm not critcizing anyone- I just don't like seeing the alums, most of whom know much more about the team than the current students, chastised. In response to 2007- actually yes, they do have to be fair. I agree that the atmosphere would certainly change things a lot, but my only point is that the alums aren't going to be happy paying two or three times more for the same seats the students get. In a perfect world the students ARE the die-hard fans...haha. I see your point, but if you are in the first couple rows you are with the fans that know what is going on with the program and its players.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Dec 11, 2004 19:10:44 GMT -5
There is absolutely no way that some of these proposals can fly. Basketball is THE major revenue sport at Georgetown, and you can't surrender corporate and other court-side seats to students because of the huge amount of money that will be lost.
Its far more sensible to put students at both ends of the court...keeping everyone closer to the floor and developing a feeling that the enemy is surrounded. Then you can still collect from the big donors who keep the program alive (sorry, it isn't the $75 from a handful of students).
An alternative would be to widen the student section where it is now. Let the students into the corners as well as the baseline. Look back at the empty seats in that enormous picture on both sides of the student section. Those should easily be for students.
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hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 11, 2004 19:19:31 GMT -5
There is absolutely no way that some of these proposals can fly. Basketball is THE major revenue sport at Georgetown, and you can't surrender corporate and other court-side seats to students because of the huge amount of money that will be lost. Its far more sensible to put students at both ends of the court...keeping everyone closer to the floor and developing a feeling that the enemy is surrounded. Then you can still collect from the big donors who keep the program alive (sorry, it isn't the $75 from a handful of students). An alternative would be to widen the student section where it is now. Let the students into the corners as well as the baseline. Look back at the empty seats in that enormous picture on both sides of the student section. Those should easily be for students. They dont open those seats unless they HAVE to, a la Illinois game. Putting the students at both ends is a possibility but I dont think it solves our problem, our problem is that the students arent unified because of distance right now, splitting us up doesnt really solve that, IMO.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 11, 2004 19:21:00 GMT -5
FYI, those empty seats on the sides usually are part of the student section. For the Illinois game they were packed. Sometimes they give those seats away free to schools. I'm not particularly sure why people didn't choose to sit there during the Penn State game.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 11, 2004 19:21:28 GMT -5
ScreamingHoya- I do not understand your claim about alums being unhappy about having to pay 2 or 3 times as much as students for the same seats, if that is the case then there must be a lot of very angry alums at schools like Duke, NC State, Illinois, Michigan State and the list goes on and on. Any alum that would be angry about that seriously needs to get their head examined.
TrueHoyaBlue- its very easy to argue that mid court seats aren't better than the student section and at the same time argue that the student section should wrap around. My point was never that the actual seats are better. I said that the view is obviously better at mid court but that the atmosphere is much worse than in the student section. A student section at midcourt is the best thing by far though.
P.S. Do I have to be at McDonough before the women's game even starts?
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 11, 2004 19:23:36 GMT -5
FYI, those empty seats on the sides usually are part of the student section. For the Illinois game they were packed. Sometimes they give those seats away free to schools. I'm not particularly sure why people didn't choose to sit there during the Penn State game. Those really aren't part of the student section, thats overflow seating and students pay $22 to sit there if they dont have season tickets and the student section is full by the time they get there. Remember the girl after the Illinois game who told us that she had to pay $22 to sit there?
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 11, 2004 20:04:48 GMT -5
Those really aren't part of the student section, thats overflow seating and students pay $22 to sit there if they dont have season tickets and the student section is full by the time they get there. Remember the girl after the Illinois game who told us that she had to pay $22 to sit there? Yeah, you're probably right, for some reason I thought if there weren't anyone there then those were for students too. However, I remember at the Temple game one of those sections to the side was filled up with students, and I don't think anybody had to pay $22 to sit there. Ideally, it would be great if we surrounded the court. But if we're stuck behind the basket for now, I'd like for the student section to fan out a bit more instead of being a tight narrow chute, upwards. That just sucks for the people up top there.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 11, 2004 20:11:26 GMT -5
Those sections to the sides are overflow but maybe students still only pay $8 for them. Its possible that those sections were so packed that the girl had to buy a seat in another section and thats why it was $22, I really dont know anymore.
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 11, 2004 20:19:51 GMT -5
The student section at the MCI Center at its max in theory should include all four sections between the tunnels on that end of the court. I've seen it spread slightly further than that at points during the 16-0 start to the 2000 season when we were really generating buzz. I recall during the Illinois game being informed from someone who overheard a conversation that the student section had "overflowed"--meaning that more students had come that were tickets available for our max student section. So people prob. had to buy the $22 tickets because of that, one would guess.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 11, 2004 20:25:34 GMT -5
Those sections to the sides are overflow but maybe students still only pay $8 for them. Its possible that those sections were so packed that the girl had to buy a seat in another section and thats why it was $22, I really dont know anymore. I'm pretty sure that was, in fact, the case. I've heard other people that had to do this too. Kinda sucks for them, should've bought tix earlier! But all in all, a good sign that student interest is up for the big games at least. There was a lot of electricity in the arena that night. Ideally, every game should be like that, although we have a long way to go to achieve that.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 11, 2004 20:26:57 GMT -5
Why not allow people with comp tickets to sit in seats along the sidelines (a few rows back)? This would open up the section near the young alumni for more students. There is no reason why a student should pay 22 clams.
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Post by Big Dog on Dec 12, 2004 9:54:30 GMT -5
How many students does it take to "max out" the student seating? It just seems to me that any seats in the same concourse as the student seats that wind up being behind the student section become extremely undesirable.
If there were consistently a huge number of students showing up, it seems like there could be one more option: give students the current end section they have, but then also let that section wrap around in one direction, either so that it extends to the first court-side section behind the visitor's bench, or, if the admin doesn't like that, to the first court-side section across from the visitor's bench. This leaves plenty of nice central court-side seats on both sides of the floor, but lets students as a whole sit closer to the floor so that their impact is felt more strongly. There's no rule that says a student section has to be symmetrical.
Plus, you could still have the two sections of students shouting-at-each-other effect: they can yell at each other over the gap between the baseline seats and the sideline seats.
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Post by HoyaSAXA on Dec 14, 2004 20:36:50 GMT -5
ok heres an edited idea from my propsal on page one, instead of surrounding them surround them on 3 sides, the left and right ( in terms of where sit, which is in parallel with the mid court line) and then on one of the wide sides, the other wide side can be for alums, i ust think that sense the student go to GEORGETOWN at the time, they are the most important fans, and are the only ones that create the term "home court advantage" and right now, this isnthe students fault, but we dont have it. All the alumns and so called regualr "fans" dont cheer at all, i sit there in 101, towards the top (lke row R), and just wish to be down in the student section where people actually cheer. Im 15, so the dreams of bein in gtown student section are still avaiable, but i need to start mowing alot of lawns for the tuition and studyin just a tad bit more if i wanna get into Gtown.
HEY!! U SUCK!- great one in the penn state game when u guys pointed at the penn state fans and cheered for their first basket. haha
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 14, 2004 21:32:09 GMT -5
All the alumns and so called regualr "fans" dont cheer at all, i sit there in 101, towards the top (lke row R), and just wish to be down in the student section where people actually cheer. Im 15, so the dreams of bein in gtown student section are still avaiable, but i need to start mowing alot of lawns for the tuition and studyin just a tad bit more if i wanna get into Gtown. HEY!! U SUCK!- great one in the penn state game when u guys pointed at the penn state fans and cheered for their first basket. haha Haha, thanks HoyaSAXA. It's nice to see that our work is being appreciated.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 14, 2004 22:33:53 GMT -5
Something needs to be done to move us. Our alumni and non-student fans must be one of the most dead, boring, and quietest groups of people in college basketball. They need to work on improving that and we need to be relocated, at least partially.
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Post by MEGAFAN on Dec 14, 2004 22:56:44 GMT -5
I take pesonal offense to that! Just kidding... As I have only attended one game so far this season, I am not one to talk (live in NYC), but I assure you that Gammo (who attends every game and sits in the front row - not the on-court "Spike Lee" row, but the row behind that one) is a wild, enthusiastic, and positive fan! I sometimes have the privilege of joining him courtside, near the 3 point line of the young alums section, and trust me, for those of you who know MEGAFAN, I get into baby!
It's probably hard for you to see that first few rows, as it is oppositve the student section, but despite my general agreement with your observations, there are a small, but hard-core group of alums, some young, some old, who let their presence be known. Unfortunately, we make up a small minority of the Georgetown fanbase, argh!
Seriously, I respect your passion, enthusiasm, and take-no-prisoners attitude, so keep up the good work. And on another occasion, I will share with you some stories about the people who started Hoya Blue, while I was still at school...
Despite good intentions and some modest results, they dropped the ball by not jumping all over Hoya hoops; in fact, many of them were girls who were most interested in drawing attention to themselves and following the Lacrosse, Soccer and Football players around. Not that these sports don't deserve respect and support, but when it comes to Georgetown, there can be only 1!
Anyways, back to the student section and alums, etc. How about working along the lines of half of courtside behind one of the benches, wrapping it all away around the current student section, including both diagonals. And how about filling this not only with students, but with young alums as well. Furthermore, if not enough season packages are sold, there would cleary be some older alum and/or non-alum, who after being informed about the atmosphere, standing, craziness, would be more than willing to occupy these seats, even if it implied paying 2-5X what the students pay. I only graduated in 2000, so I'm still a young alum, but if I were in D.C., I would have no contempt paying $500/season for those seats, despite the students paying $100. In fact, it woudl encourage people to pay a little less than is currently required for behind-the-bench type seats, and yet would invigorate the atmosphere.
Also, these types of fans are the ones that are less likely to buy a season tix package and only attend 1/3 of the home games, so they would always be full. In fact, part of the discount, so-to-speak, that was given to guys like me and other alum, could even require filling the seats for 3/4 of the games, and if not, facing the risk of non-renewal the next year!
Any thoughts on this?
GO HOYAS! BRING HOME THAT TROPHY FROM HAWAII!
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 14, 2004 23:08:37 GMT -5
I know there is a group of loud and involved alumni/non-students, but the fact is that there aren't enough. At most big time college basketball programs a large portion of the fans in the arena are like that, not just a small group.
As far as the student section, I think that maybe we could wrap it around so that it goes along half on the sideline opposite the benches. Basically across from the visitors bench and only separated from the rest of the student section by that pathway. This way we could keep the current area behind the basket and increase the amount of students near the court and thus create a much more exciting atmosphere and get more students involved in the game.
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