Dunnigan to Oregon

[RDF]

dudeslade said:

Sounds like Morgan's coach is pressing for Kansas. That can't help us out.

Dunigan to Oregon is a joke if either of his Mom's supposed criteria were real. I don't mean to badmouth another university's academics, but that's exactly what I'm going to do. Coming out of a California HS, it was a long-standing joke that only kids looking to party their way through all of college and score some hot chicks would attend Oregon, Colorado (Boulder), Arizona, or Arizona State. Considering the high degree of party schools and "hot chick" schools in Cali, earmarking those colleges as the real places to go for that says something.

Lastly, I'm a little confused on the recruiting philosophy for this next year and maybe someone can clarify for me. If Monroe is targeted for the 4 and not the 3, then we seem to have a gluttony of 4s and 5s and not as many 3s as we need. Sims and Braswell sound like 4s if I'm to take Hoyaskin's assertion that they're too skinny for the 5. Monroe supposedly is a 4 as well, according to this thread. We have Macklin already at the 4/5 and if we take Jakub, Morgan, or any other center we have another 5. That sounds like 5 guys at the 4/5 plus Dajuan, who can also be at the 4. We then have Wright, Freeman, Rivers, Clark, and Sapp at the 1/2. So that's 10 players, maybe 11. Sounds like we'd be hoping for a Dajuan/Freeman 3 spot. But if Dajuan leaves, we only have Freeman. Maybe we're looking at Omar and Nikita playing some at the 3 next year, but I wouldn't feel real comfortable with them as the primary backup 1 year after they got here. So unless Monroe is actually looked at as a 3 and not a 4, why aren't we looking at any 3s for next year?

Greg Monroe can easily play SF and is very much like Jeff Green--where he can be a PF or SF. He's also a tremendous shot blocker so defensively he brings that to table as well. Offensively--he'd be best passer on the team the minute he would join and if you have ever seen Lamar Odom play--that is who he resembles in terms of movement on the court, skill set, and both are left handed. I think Monroe has a chance to be better then Odom due to head on his shoulders--he's grounded, young for age group--only 17 now and really makes his teammates better--which isn't well received by some who want him to "Dominate", aka score more but his AAU team isn't that good--so he's doubled/tripled and kicks out to open man which will be the right play when he does play with superior teammates which he will in college and NBA--where his game will flourish.

[HoyaSkin]

dudeslade said:

Sounds like Morgan's coach is pressing for Kansas. That can't help us out.

Yes, I believe he and Darrell Arthur are our biggest obstacles. But his AAU coach does acknowledge the impact Georgetown has made.

[AvantGuardHoya]

I asked about DeShonte Riley in the 2009 recruits thread. The response I got makes him sound like a hard worker on the court: double digit rebounds and blocked shots. The description of his physique is similar to Pat Ewing's when he was in HS. Anybody got an insight into his academics? Or whether we are interested?

[HoyaSkin]

rdf said:

The link from that Morgan update takes you to a JUNE 14th article. As we all mentioned last week--he's eliminated us for whatever reason.

Dunigan is a Center, could be a PF but needs to really improve his offensive face up skills to be one and at no time will ever play SF.

There is no need to argue--but all I can tell you is that I personally know 3 people who not only were at the Peach Jam but talked with Dunigan's mother and saw JT III at EVERY game he played. If that isn't being interested, what is? Dunigan also outplayed Riek in head to head matchup at Nike Camp--that is a 6'9 guy outplayed a 7'2 kid who can go anywhere--including Georgetown who is recruiting him. Morgan was listed at 6'9 when Georgetown offered him last year--he's grown and is a fine Center prospect. He's not coming to GU and has no interest for whatever reason--MJG Hoya who works at the Camp mentioned this, and many noticed that in several updates Georgetown went from a Co-leader to not even listed--so writing for Morgan to KU is on the wall if I'm speculating.

If you want a true Center to start following in recruiting and that loves the Hoyas--DeShonte Riley is your guy. He's on the radar now and he's not been bashful about sharing how much he's a fan of the program. He's 6'11 but built more like Henry Sims right now--however he WANTS to play Center-not forward and his offensive game fits the position more too.

Yes, I know III was at MOST of Dunigan’s games at Peach Jam, but I think he was there to see Monroe primarily and hung around for Dunigan’s games, and to see other recruits. Also, according to Scout, III may not have been at ALL of Dunigan’s games as ID reports. For instance, Telep writes on July 13th that “Michael Dunigan only “drew head coaches from Purdue, Illinois and Florida.”

Perhaps ID’s FACTS are right, or perhaps Telep’s FACTS are right. It doesn’t matter.

I can’t comment on what your sources said about Dunigan and the Hoyas, especially now since they’ve been proven wrong. I’m sure there’s a lot we don’t know. What I do feel confident about is that III never offered Dunigan, and he probably got tired of waiting, or saw how much more serious III was about Monroe. Who knows? It seemed pretty obvious to me that we weren't really, really serious about Dungan. But, what we do know is that his mom, who was piloting the ship, absolutely loved us. She must have been sad when she acceded to her son’s request that he go with Humphrey to Oregon. I mean, how can anyone possibly compare Oregon with Georgetown? Mom must have been sad not to see her son going to the Hilltop.

[SFHoya99]

Skin,

I really don't understand what makes you think we didn't offer. While I personally wouldn't have made that choice (Oregon), it's not like there isn't a rational reason he could've chosen that.

1. Ernie Kent is a charmer and a heckuva recruiter. Mom might've loved III but that was pre-Kent. It's possible she liked him more.
2. We do have two PFs in the mix. Maybe Dunigan really wanted to play PF, or maybe he was just concerned about PT in general. As a freshman he'll almost certainly start on an Oregon team that may only have Maarty Luenen and we'll have at least three other quality bigs.
3. Ernie could have easily sold him on the "missing piece." They went to the Elite Eight without a real big man last year; it isn't hard to sell an image of Dunigan being the missing piece.
4. Humphrey wasn't being recruited by us at all.

That's a reasonable set of reasons to pick Oregon over us. Add in the rumors of Worldwide Wes, and you can't assume we didn't offer just because it seemed like we led for a bit.

[SFHoya99]

Finally, on the academics... what basketball players and their families often mean is completely different than what kids going to college for the academics mean. Sometimes a player really does value the same thing when they say "academics" but if you read the articles, what the Dunigans seemed to have been sold on is that Michael could graduate early because of the quarter system (See Duke, UConn). This allows him to jump to the NBA early but already have a degree. It's academics, but it isn't what you are talking about.

[hoyasexy]

"Academics" might also mean something more specific, such as a program for which Oregon might be better known than Georgetown.

[HoyaChris]

hoyamonkey said:

"Academics" might also mean something more specific, such as a program for which Oregon might be better known than Georgetown.

Salmon husbandry?

[CO_Hoya]

sfhoya99 said:

2. We do have two PFs in the mix. Maybe Dunigan really wanted to play PF, or maybe he was just concerned about PT in general. As a freshman he'll almost certainly start on an Oregon team that may only have Maarty Luenen and we'll have at least three other quality bigs.

FWIW, Leunen will be a senior this year, so his slot will be clear when Dunigan shows up.


I have nothing to add to the recruiting talk, but just want to say thanks to all those who are contributing the inside info. Makes for good reading.

[dajuan]

I'm just surprised that Northwestern didn't get these guys.


tinyurl.com/3bsasa

I mean, how could you choose Oregon over that!?!?

[HoyaSkin]

sfhoya99 said:

Skin,

I really don't understand what makes you think we didn't offer. While I personally wouldn't have made that choice (Oregon), it's not like there isn't a rational reason he could've chosen that.

1. Ernie Kent is a charmer and a heckuva recruiter. Mom might've loved III but that was pre-Kent. It's possible she liked him more.
2. We do have two PFs in the mix. Maybe Dunigan really wanted to play PF, or maybe he was just concerned about PT in general. As a freshman he'll almost certainly start on an Oregon team that may only have Maarty Luenen and we'll have at least three other quality bigs.
3. Ernie could have easily sold him on the "missing piece." They went to the Elite Eight without a real big man last year; it isn't hard to sell an image of Dunigan being the missing piece.
4. Humphrey wasn't being recruited by us at all.

That's a reasonable set of reasons to pick Oregon over us. Add in the rumors of Worldwide Wes, and you can't assume we didn't offer just because it seemed like we led for a bit.

SF,

Yes, that is a reasonable set of reasons, but I think no more reasonable than my set of reasons for speculating. The fact is that no one really knows whether we offered or not. I choose to land on the side that says we hadn't really offered, given other factors that transpired and which I mentioned in my original post. I just truly did not see Dunigan coming to Georgetown.

But, as you well know, it's hard to know what to believe, especially since we mostly have hearsay to rely on, and the kids and parents do stretch the truth sometimes. That's why I said in my original post that I was merely engaging in speculation.

[SFHoya99]

I can see your points. "We didn't offer" just sounds so sour grapes-ish after the player commits elsewhere. I know that in your case it isn't, but it still gives that appearance.

[RDF]

Telep is great at what he does--but ID Hoya and 2 people I know were there--III made his games. Telep mentioning Purdue and Illinois is comical especially if you know what Mrs. Dunigan thought of both schools in the recruitment--especially Illinois. I am not about to doubt 3 people--who by the way do NOT know each other--if they all said the same thing--why would this be untrue? As for the "lack of acknowleding an offer"--well Scout lists Greg Monroe in database as not having an offer from Georgetown and III was at all of his games as well. I don't bank on everything the networks say in regards to Hoya recruiting--they do a great job, but I'll trust ID Hoya and where he gets his info over any recruiting network.

I don't get your point on the J'Mison Morgan stuff. The link you put up is from JUNE--and you keep talking like it's a possiblity--it's not. Nobody knows for certain what/why this happened, but it did.

Skin, you are an enthusiastic poster but your take on recruiting is somewhat puzzling. It's like you are taking a stance against certain guys because you would really like to see certain other players end up Hoyas. That is fine--but you debate facts that people who have posted info here--and factual, correct, and inside info--share. If Dunigan wasn't a priority or under consideration--III wouldn't have wasted any time tracking him at the Peach Jam. You ended up correct in that Dunigan didn't end up a Hoya. Kudos. If IDHoya would like to address this, fine--he was there for the entire tournament and tracking Hoya recruits. Maybe he didn't recognize III at the games.

[uptownathlete]

Dunnigan will not play SF. And I've heard reports of him being one of the stronger prospects, so I don't see why he can't play C at 6'9' Vernon did it, even as a back up, and I believe Dunnigan is bigger. And to that account, how much bigger is Vernon than Henry Sims body wise? Regardless if Sims is 6'11' or 6'10" he's still taller, and listed as a center. So I don't see why he can't come in as a center. The way its falling, I can believe that Sims will see time at C, Braswell at PF and Monroe, if we land him, at both PF and SF. And I fully believe Macklin might start at C after Roy leaves.

[prhoya]

dudeslade said:

Sounds like Morgan's coach is pressing for Kansas. That can't help us out.

Dunigan to Oregon is a joke if either of his Mom's supposed criteria were real. I don't mean to badmouth another university's academics, but that's exactly what I'm going to do. Coming out of a California HS, it was a long-standing joke that only kids looking to party their way through all of college and score some hot chicks would attend Oregon, Colorado (Boulder), Arizona, or Arizona State. Considering the high degree of party schools and "hot chick" schools in Cali, earmarking those colleges as the real places to go for that says something.

Lastly, I'm a little confused on the recruiting philosophy for this next year and maybe someone can clarify for me. If Monroe is targeted for the 4 and not the 3, then we seem to have a gluttony of 4s and 5s and not as many 3s as we need. Sims and Braswell sound like 4s if I'm to take Hoyaskin's assertion that they're too skinny for the 5. Monroe supposedly is a 4 as well, according to this thread. We have Macklin already at the 4/5 and if we take Jakub, Morgan, or any other center we have another 5. That sounds like 5 guys at the 4/5 plus Dajuan, who can also be at the 4. We then have Wright, Freeman, Rivers, Clark, and Sapp at the 1/2. So that's 10 players, maybe 11. Sounds like we'd be hoping for a Dajuan/Freeman 3 spot. But if Dajuan leaves, we only have Freeman. Maybe we're looking at Omar and Nikita playing some at the 3 next year, but I wouldn't feel real comfortable with them as the primary backup 1 year after they got here. So unless Monroe is actually looked at as a 3 and not a 4, why aren't we looking at any 3s for next year?

IMO, the difference between a 3 and 4 in our offense is kind of blurry. We have several players that can play both (PJ2, DaJuan, etc...). I believe Monroe is that type of player, especially since he's mentioned that he wants to go to a team where he'll be free to go to the perimeter.

[HoyaSkin]

sfhoya99 said:

I can see your points. "We didn't offer" just sounds so sour grapes-ish after the player commits elsewhere. I know that in your case it isn't, but it still gives that appearance.

SF, I don't think it can even begin to appear as sour grapes, because I was saying we didn't offer several days BEFORE he committed elsewhere, and when we were supposedly still 1 of the 2 finalists.

[HoyaSkin]

rdf said:

Telep is great at what he does--but ID Hoya and 2 people I know were there--III made his games. Telep mentioning Purdue and Illinois is comical especially if you know what Mrs. Dunigan thought of both schools in the recruitment--especially Illinois. I am not about to doubt 3 people--who by the way do NOT know each other--if they all said the same thing--why would this be untrue? As for the "lack of acknowleding an offer"--well Scout lists Greg Monroe in database as not having an offer from Georgetown and III was at all of his games as well. I don't bank on everything the networks say in regards to Hoya recruiting--they do a great job, but I'll trust ID Hoya and where he gets his info over any recruiting network.

I don't get your point on the J'Mison Morgan stuff. The link you put up is from JUNE--and you keep talking like it's a possiblity--it's not. Nobody knows for certain what/why this happened, but it did.

Skin, you are an enthusiastic poster but your take on recruiting is somewhat puzzling. It's like you are taking a stance against certain guys because you would really like to see certain other players end up Hoyas. That is fine--but you debate facts that people who have posted info here--and factual, correct, and inside info--share. If Dunigan wasn't a priority or under consideration--III wouldn't have wasted any time tracking him at the Peach Jam. You ended up correct in that Dunigan didn't end up a Hoya. Kudos. If IDHoya would like to address this, fine--he was there for the entire tournament and tracking Hoya recruits. Maybe he didn't recognize III at the games.

You're correct, RDF, Telep may be wrong (as he often has been), and ID may correct. I just don't know who's right and who's wrong. I was just saying the alleged facts are in conflict, and it wouldn't surprise me if III was at Dunigan's game just merely because he was already there for Monroe and wanted to watch. Who knows? Only III knows for sure. Maybe ID should have gone up to ask III? ;D

Similarly, I don't know for certain about Morgan, and you may be right that he may no longer be interested. We'll see. I do know he still seems way open, because Georgetown, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, USC, and UCLA have all been on and off and then back on the list. Only Kansas seems to be there all the time.

RDF, I don't know why you would claim I am taking a stance against certain guys because I would really like to see certain other players end up Hoyas. I have no hidden agenda. I've only reported what I read. How could what I report possibly benefit any player, or even me for that matter?

On the other hand, perhaps you're taking this Dunigan thing too personally?

[idhoya]

1. Hoyas did offer Mike, his mom told me so. Unless she was lying and I ain't about to call Ms. Pearl a lyar. She also said she had her favorite, but it was Mike's decision.

2. III wasn't at his first game on the 13th cause he hadn't gotten there yet. He wasn't watching Dunigan to pass the time either. In fact, he watched the first half of Greg's and 2nd half of Mike's one day. I know this cause I talked with him up til Saturday night when he left for WV.

3. Riley told me he had a 3.5 GPA. GU is interested and has actually now been listed with him on some rankings.

[HoyaSkin]

idhoya said:

1. Hoyas did offer Mike, his mom told me so. Unless she was lying and I ain't about to call Ms. Pearl a lyar. She also said she had her favorite, but it was Mike's decision.

2. III wasn't at his first game on the 13th cause he hadn't gotten there yet. He wasn't watching Dunigan to pass the time either. In fact, he watched the first half of Greg's and 2nd half of Mike's one day. I know this cause I talked with him up til Saturday night when he left for WV.

3. Riley told me he had a 3.5 GPA. GU is interested and has actually now been listed with him on some rankings.

ID:

1. ok, I believe she told you that.

2. ok, I believe you talked to III.

3. I'll add Riley to the Recruiting List, once I get my puter up and running again.

[HoyaLawya]

mciguy said:

Darn. The Most Powerful Man in Sports won again.

And that would be Worldwide Wes and not Nike's Knight, right?