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Post by sleepy on Jul 16, 2007 14:58:07 GMT -5
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 16, 2007 15:01:26 GMT -5
Darn. The Most Powerful Man in Sports won again.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 16, 2007 15:03:28 GMT -5
Bummer.
Personally, I think this is not a good basketball decision. Big men are side thoughts in Ernie Kent's "system." But it goes to show how important feel/comfort is in recruiting decisions.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Jul 16, 2007 15:46:54 GMT -5
he was garbage anyway..we were never recruiting that hard..JTIII thought he was overrated..
just kidding..good luck to him..I expected this decision as did most...
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 16, 2007 17:56:44 GMT -5
Poop.
Good luck to the Duck$.
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Post by vcjack on Jul 16, 2007 18:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by uptownathlete on Jul 16, 2007 19:20:40 GMT -5
It seems like Dunnigan was the primary target, or favorite among fans after Monroe of course. So who fills that void now? Morgan? Goode?
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jul 16, 2007 19:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 16, 2007 19:49:18 GMT -5
If that is true it is pretty messed up. I mean three was busy watching this kid at times when he could've been watching other players. Very poor form if this is indeed true. Would've really liked this kid to be a hoya. oh well his loss. I say Focus efforts on monroe and push as hard as possible for him.
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Post by Jack on Jul 16, 2007 21:57:02 GMT -5
Well what does it say about this system that coaches are obligated to attend games of players they already know they want and have told them so just to show their interest? What a ridiculous thing this recruiting game is. I am glad that the GU staff seems good at it, but when you look at the stupid hoops people have to jump through, it is hard for me to really blame Pops for losing interest in it.
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Post by RDF on Jul 16, 2007 23:10:06 GMT -5
Good luck to the kid--and as it goes in recruiting, on to the next guy on the list. Dunigan is really having a strong Summer and has come on and I hope he does well. I agree with poster above that I question his selection in regards to his game--Oregon's style fits Humphrey perfectly--and it does surprise a bit based on what Dunigan's mother told not 1 but 2 people I know that were at the Peach Jam--but he must have convinced her to let him go with his friend and Ducks got 2 good players.
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 17, 2007 0:04:24 GMT -5
It seems like Dunnigan was the primary target, or favorite among fans after Monroe of course. So who fills that void now? Morgan? Goode? Well, I have to say, I’m really not surprised. As I said a few days ago, I really didn’t think we were that serious about Dunigan, and I didn’t think we had offered, or would offer. I caught a lot of flak for saying that (especially from RDF, who thought I was “WAY, WAY OFF”), but as I said in my post just five days ago: As for Michael Dunigan, I’m a bit puzzled by all the speculation. I read that it’s down to Oregon and the Hoyas, with FoxSports reporting it’ll be Oregon. I think he and his mom would really like him to come to Georgetown, but I’m not so sure how serious we really, really are. Scout claims we've offered, but Rivals does not. And, to my knowledge, Dunigan himself has never said we've offered. (I don’t discount Hoya buzz from the DePaul contact, but I think that’s coming from the Dunigan camp rather than the Hoya coaches) So, if Rivals is correct, why haven’t we offered? I think Dunigan wants to play as a SF or a PF, and I don’t see him big/strong enough to be a true center in the big east. I think that’s hurting his chances with us, because we have a glut at the SF/PF positions. We need one of our 08 scholarships to go for a center, and I think it’s being earmarked as such (or may be held for 09), and I think the other is being held for Monroe. Again, that’s just my speculation based on what I’ve read. hoyatalk2.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1183336750&page=2Now, ChicagoHoop.com is reporting that Pearlie Dunigan, the mother of Michael Dunigan, and Darryl Humphrey, the father of Matthew Humphrey, both emphasized the academics, as well as the basketball as being prime considerations in the decision to attend Oregon. Well, you gotta know that Oregon has nothing on Georgetown when it comes to either academics or basketball. The fact of the matter is that III obviously had not offered, and wasn’t going to offer. He’s been waiting for Monroe to decide, and he was going to keep waiting for Monroe to decide. Otherwise, Dunigan would have accepted, because as we all know, Dunigan’s mom was all the rave about III and our school and had made that publicly clear. Repeatedly!!!! (Frankly, I thought the buzz a few days ago about Dunigan having committed to Oregon was a ruse to get III to bite and offer, but I figured I should leave that one alone and decided it was best not to post that in view of the prior flak I caught.) Additionally, I said in that same thread: Regarding Greg Monroe, it may be wishful thinking but I think we have a good chance of landing him. But, from the few videos I've seen, I think he plays more like a PF than a center. And judging from what I've read, I think he won't come to Georgetown unless he's given assurances that he will play primarily PF, because I think that's what he sees himself as in the NBA. So, even if we do get Monroe, I still think we need a center. That helps Jakub’s chances with us. Well, I stand by what I said a few days ago. We have a damn good chance of landing him, and I will go out on the limb and say that in fact we are going to land him. As his AAU coach said today in a Scout interview: Theus did say that he believed Monroe was no longer interested in Georgia Tech, Mississippi State or Baylor, but even then, Theus points out, that doesn’t mean there won’t be renewed interest later. Duke, Kansas and LSU remain very high on his list and Georgetown is one school that he identified as coming on strong. “I really don’t believe that you can really say any schools would be classified as leaders right now,” Theus said, “but Georgetown has certainly gotten his attention of late.” I believe III told Monroe that he was waiting on him and would not offer Dunigan, and I think that got Monroe’s attention. (It would have to be one or the other, because they both would have to play the PF position in the Big East, because, as I said, 6’9” is too short to play center in the Big East, IMO) And, I also stand firm by what I said in my post a few days ago about getting a tall center: We need one of our 08 scholarships to go for a center, and I think it’s being earmarked as such (or may be held for 09), and I think the other is being held for Monroe. Bottom Line: I think we’re getting Greg Monroe, and going after either J’Mison “BoBo” Morgan or Jakub (or John Riek Suas if he reclassifies to 08). Like I said before, 6’8” or 6’9” doesn’t cut it for a center in the big east. My bet is we land Monroe and Morgan! Mark that down! Comments?
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jul 17, 2007 0:14:32 GMT -5
I'd target Gilchrist now along with Monroe - but note that I don't believe there is a 6'11" minimum to play C in the Big East.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 17, 2007 0:33:45 GMT -5
Hoyaskin, I think your probably right with your comments about Dunigan, and JTIII not offering. It would have been a log jam in the post if both commited along with Sims and Braswell and Macklin and possibly Summers still here. I also think that if we didn't offer Dunigan that means the staff think we are in good shape with Monroe. But do you really think we NEED a center for the 08' class. If Sims is 6'11 than he has the height to play center, and Macklin is already a backup center for Roy. Wouldn't we be better off saving a scholarship for 09' a class that is supposedly loaded? I really don't know, considering i don't follow recruiting, but if the 09' class is really as good as some say it is, than I think we should save a scholarship.
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 17, 2007 0:48:26 GMT -5
I'd target Gilchrist now along with Monroe - but note that I don't believe there is a 6'11" minimum to play C in the Big East. You would take Gilchrest over Morgan? ? Have you seen them play?
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 17, 2007 0:56:37 GMT -5
Hoyaskin, I think your probably right with your comments about Dunigan, and JTIII not offering. It would have been a log jam in the post if both commited along with Sims and Braswell and Macklin and possibly Summers still here. I also think that if we didn't offer Dunigan that means the staff think we are in good shape with Monroe. But do you really think we NEED a center for the 08' class. If Sims is 6'11 than he has the height to play center, and Macklin is already a backup center for Roy. Wouldn't we be better off saving a scholarship for 09' a class that is supposedly loaded? I really don't know, considering i don't follow recruiting, but if the 09' class is really as good as some say it is, than I think we should save a scholarship. Sleepy, Yes, Sims and Macklin can both play the post. Not saying they can’t, or that they won’t if need be. But, height isn’t all it takes to play center in BE. IMO, they both lack the strength and weight to be effective in the BE as centers. They’re both skinny, and will be pushed around. And, Sims I believe is 6’10”, though RDF claims that MDVarsity quoted Sims as saying he was 6’11”. Haven’t seen that article though. There’s a reason III is scouting Morgan, Jakub, and John Riek Suas. Size does matter in the BE – at least it obviously does to III.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jul 17, 2007 1:05:02 GMT -5
I'd target Gilchrist now along with Monroe - but note that I don't believe there is a 6'11" minimum to play C in the Big East. You would take Gilchrest over Morgan? ? Have you seen them play? From what I've read it seems like we have a much better chance with Gus, who looked great when I saw him. Morgan sounds good too and is certainly bulkier, but I'd think he is unlikely to sign with us.
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 17, 2007 1:22:06 GMT -5
You would take Gilchrest over Morgan? ? Have you seen them play? From what I've read it seems like we have a much better chance with Gus, who looked great when I saw him. Morgan sounds good too and is certainly bulkier, but I'd think he is unlikely to sign with us. Hoyaboy, I was asking, cause I haven’t seen Gus play. From what I read, he’s turned into quite a player, but I think he plays more like a PF. And he’s reportedly only 6’9”, while Morgan looks very much like the 6’11” 270-pounder reported lately. That’s BE center territory, IMO. Yes, I think we can easily land Gus. He’s repeatedly/publicly stated that he loves us. And, according to an article in mdvarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=690845, he’s been released from his letter of intent. So why haven’t we offered? Same as Dunigan, I believe. Gus plays like a PF, and we’re holding out for Monroe and don’t really need another PF. Morgan, on the other hand, very much plays like a center, and has the size to be an effective center. Yes, we do need a center with Roy leaving. And he does like us. While we were recently not being listed by Morgan, lately we’ve been added to the list, which tells me III is seriously going after him. As KansasScout reported today: And so who is the leader to land Morgan? “For me, I think it’s Kansas and Georgetown,” Jones replied. “The more (recruiting goes on), it will probably be Kansas. He likes Darrell Arthur. They played together in high school (two years). This might be the place for him.” Jones isn’t sure when his star player will make his decision. “I don’t know because he likes Georgetown, too,” Jones said with a laugh. “I think he would be a great addition to (Kansas). He’d be a hard worker, too. I’ve seen how they (KU players) work hard here. I think he would fit right in.” kansas.scout.com/2/651636.htmlI think we can/will land Morgan.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jul 17, 2007 2:23:42 GMT -5
Sounds like Morgan's coach is pressing for Kansas. That can't help us out.
Dunigan to Oregon is a joke if either of his Mom's supposed criteria were real. I don't mean to badmouth another university's academics, but that's exactly what I'm going to do. Coming out of a California HS, it was a long-standing joke that only kids looking to party their way through all of college and score some hot chicks would attend Oregon, Colorado (Boulder), Arizona, or Arizona State. Considering the high degree of party schools and "hot chick" schools in Cali, earmarking those colleges as the real places to go for that says something.
Lastly, I'm a little confused on the recruiting philosophy for this next year and maybe someone can clarify for me. If Monroe is targeted for the 4 and not the 3, then we seem to have a gluttony of 4s and 5s and not as many 3s as we need. Sims and Braswell sound like 4s if I'm to take Hoyaskin's assertion that they're too skinny for the 5. Monroe supposedly is a 4 as well, according to this thread. We have Macklin already at the 4/5 and if we take Jakub, Morgan, or any other center we have another 5. That sounds like 5 guys at the 4/5 plus Dajuan, who can also be at the 4. We then have Wright, Freeman, Rivers, Clark, and Sapp at the 1/2. So that's 10 players, maybe 11. Sounds like we'd be hoping for a Dajuan/Freeman 3 spot. But if Dajuan leaves, we only have Freeman. Maybe we're looking at Omar and Nikita playing some at the 3 next year, but I wouldn't feel real comfortable with them as the primary backup 1 year after they got here. So unless Monroe is actually looked at as a 3 and not a 4, why aren't we looking at any 3s for next year?
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Post by RDF on Jul 17, 2007 2:45:52 GMT -5
From what I've read it seems like we have a much better chance with Gus, who looked great when I saw him. Morgan sounds good too and is certainly bulkier, but I'd think he is unlikely to sign with us. Hoyaboy, I was asking, cause I haven’t seen Gus play. From what I read, he’s turned into quite a player, but I think he plays more like a PF. And he’s reportedly only 6’9”, while Morgan looks very much like the 6’11” 270-pounder reported lately. That’s BE center territory, IMO. Yes, I think we can easily land Gus. He’s repeatedly/publicly stated that he loves us. And, according to an article in mdvarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=690845, he’s been released from his letter of intent. So why haven’t we offered? Same as Dunigan, I believe. Gus plays like a PF, and we’re holding out for Monroe and don’t really need another PF. Morgan, on the other hand, very much plays like a center, and has the size to be an effective center. Yes, we do need a center with Roy leaving. And he does like us. While we were recently not being listed by Morgan, lately we’ve been added to the list, which tells me III is seriously going after him. As KansasScout reported today: And so who is the leader to land Morgan? “For me, I think it’s Kansas and Georgetown,” Jones replied. “The more (recruiting goes on), it will probably be Kansas. He likes Darrell Arthur. They played together in high school (two years). This might be the place for him.” Jones isn’t sure when his star player will make his decision. “I don’t know because he likes Georgetown, too,” Jones said with a laugh. “I think he would be a great addition to (Kansas). He’d be a hard worker, too. I’ve seen how they (KU players) work hard here. I think he would fit right in.” kansas.scout.com/2/651636.htmlI think we can/will land Morgan. The link from that Morgan update takes you to a JUNE 14th article. As we all mentioned last week--he's eliminated us for whatever reason. Dunigan is a Center, could be a PF but needs to really improve his offensive face up skills to be one and at no time will ever play SF. There is no need to argue--but all I can tell you is that I personally know 3 people who not only were at the Peach Jam but talked with Dunigan's mother and saw JT III at EVERY game he played. If that isn't being interested, what is? Dunigan also outplayed Riek in head to head matchup at Nike Camp--that is a 6'9 guy outplayed a 7'2 kid who can go anywhere--including Georgetown who is recruiting him. Morgan was listed at 6'9 when Georgetown offered him last year--he's grown and is a fine Center prospect. He's not coming to GU and has no interest for whatever reason--MJG Hoya who works at the Camp mentioned this, and many noticed that in several updates Georgetown went from a Co-leader to not even listed--so writing for Morgan to KU is on the wall if I'm speculating. If you want a true Center to start following in recruiting and that loves the Hoyas--DeShonte Riley is your guy. He's on the radar now and he's not been bashful about sharing how much he's a fan of the program. He's 6'11 but built more like Henry Sims right now--however he WANTS to play Center-not forward and his offensive game fits the position more too.
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