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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 21, 2024 8:54:59 GMT -5
I hate this. It's why I think next years freshmen class is fool's gold until they are sophomores. If we kept Brumbaugh I would feel differently but if you are taking freshman, you have to retain them and re-recruit them each year.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2024 14:02:09 GMT -5
So at 5 million and 13 slots, that's about 385K a man. What does that distribution look like? Does a slot 9-13 kid get about 50K or maybe even 25K? Do non-starters get 75K a man. That gets you to 475K if you have a good GM with good negotiating skills.
For a starter I am assuming 100K is the minimum ask with an all big east level performer type (thinking somebody like Claude or Richmond) getting 300 to 500K. That would put a roster around 1.5 million. That is probably just to retain your roster, not to attract a kid.
Since we are in the attract mode, I am assuming it is higher then this, especially for starters. So we probably have a floor of 250K per starter and then we need to pay 2 to 3 guys who can be that alpha. He isn't on our roster today. So if we have to overpay, that means likely 750K for those kids.
So guy 1-3 at 750K, guy 4-5 at 350K, guy 6-8 at 100K, guy 9-13 at 75K. That's 3.6 million. Now we gotta overpay too. How these freshmen slot in I have no idea. What happens when guy 8 outperforms and guy 2 stinks? Turmoil in the locker room ensues. This is all so ridiculous. That deflated ball don't mean S**T!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2024 13:14:24 GMT -5
"The IARP’s ruling means that Johnson will not be allowed to recruit off campus during the April and July live periods that occur between Nov. 3, 2022 through Nov. 4, 2024." My concern is, can we afford to take on a guy who isn't allowed to recruit right now? I agree with what 2003 says regarding his "worthiness," but can we afford to use a slot on a guy who can't recruit, this year of all years? "Off Campus"!!! I am sure this guy has irons in the fire and eyes on the street. In this current NCAA environment, this would be the least of my concerns.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2024 11:26:13 GMT -5
I dont get this line of thinking. If you keep 3 core guys from last seasons roster and have 4 incoming recruits (top ranked group in BE) then you do have a 7 person core to build off of. That's not square 1 Do you honestly not get this line of thinking - i.e. you’re shocked that people are frustrated - or are you just being obtuse? And enough of the core talk. There is no core. There are 4 new freshmen and a at best 2 or 3 mismatched parts that helped win zero conference games that weren’t against DePaul. You don't want to lose freshmen though. These aren't seasoned vets. They should get a year plus to adjust. If Mulready, Sorber, McKenna and Williams all aren't immediately contributing, does that mean we see them walk in year 2? Of course not. That is a path to stay on the tracks we currently are on. How many NFL teams overspend in free agency and then win big? Almost none because it's a crap way to build. You need a strong core and with turnover each year, you'll never get it. If we end up with Mintz/McDaniel and a half a dozen free agents, every one of those kids is going to have an angle. Getting them all to buy in over the course of a few months is going to be impossible. If you get them to buy in like St. Johns finally did, it may be too late to matter. It's insane!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2024 10:48:31 GMT -5
To me, I think Fielder is the biggest player we absolutely need to retain. Beyond that, I am not going to really get upset over any others. From what I’m hearing/reading, you are going to be upset. Don't, just don't. Pitino brought in a rack of new guys with NIL money to burn, extra roster spots, and Soriano as the building block and didn't even get into the tourney. If we run back with Epps/Styles and the freshmen class and a bunch of transfers, I'll be irate! Losing Fielder & Brumbaugh would be unacceptable.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2024 10:12:36 GMT -5
Disappointed by the news on Rowan Brumbaugh. I'd hoped the revolving door to which we became accustomed under the prior coaching staff would change. I must be naive. What was the damn point if you were going to lose a guy like Rowan this year?!? Why did I sit through that? Cook/Mutombo I get. Guys who are seasoned and probably capped out I get. But Rowan is on the upswing. I'm like others that if the sport keeps trending this way (and Georgetown in particular), then I'll still tune it but I don't think I can keep buying season tickets. I'm cheering for the Georgetown brand, not the player who pops in for a year and then leaves. If this is a one off, so be it. If this continues the trend from prior years, I'll go cheer on real pros without the veil of education.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2024 9:10:09 GMT -5
Do not let Brumbaugh leave. Glue guy and potential all BE player in year or two. Agree with this 100%. I would like to believe him & family see the vision and future at Gtown with him being a huge part of it. A lot of these guys were forced into service much sooner then anticipated.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 20, 2024 8:58:29 GMT -5
I don't think we should really care about the ST. Johns situation. If kids are willing to go there, they know the rules. If this kid followed him from Iona, he knows Pitino well enough. Pitino may have said we will give it a shot for a year and see what happens. I see nothing wrong with that. The kid didn't go to St. Johns from Iona for the shiny degree. He knew what he was doing. I think we are in for a different type of recruit so it doesn't matter from Gtown's side.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 19, 2024 9:15:33 GMT -5
Probably Villanova's new starting PG. He is a good 1. Tough last name for a basketball player!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 19, 2024 9:14:12 GMT -5
Relax Francis! This is ridiculous. People claiming she didn't do enough because of room full of people with no accountability didn't choose our teams but picked her college team. Get out of here. I'm all in that we should have had more teams in but I also know St. Johns ain't winning this tourney. They could have done the most damage though of the bubble teams. I am of the group that thinks putting in a Indiana St. would be much more meaningful then Michigan State, UVA, Boise, Co St., another MWC I'm forgetting, a few more ACC schools, a few more big ten schools, Texas A&M, etc.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 19, 2024 8:43:17 GMT -5
Already 1 transfer and more than last likely 2-3 more. Nobody going to stay here. The school or students or community cares. This is not ever going to be better. No home stadium to play in says a lot. This team under Cooley didn’t even play defense. Inexcusable. Nobody can win here mark it down nobody can win here. It’s just irrelevant and no one give a damn about the basketball program. Just shut it down and forget it. Never change same garbage year after freaking year. Sick of this mess. Don’t know why I’m bothering to respond to this, but . . . We’ve all been expecting Bristol to grad-transfer for weeks now (if not months). He was recognized on Senior Day. As was Ryan Mutombo. So don’t be shocked if he grad-transfers, too. If those two guys leave—with degrees in hand—it is not a sign of another mass exodus. If we are being this pessimistic we might as comment that Kazor entered the portal too. I'm not losing sleep yet as the painfully obvious happens.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 18, 2024 15:17:35 GMT -5
I wonder if the Dinkins kid from Mason will transfer to Provy?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 18, 2024 15:14:20 GMT -5
Get 3 and leave a slot open. Splash the pot all the way around to keep everybody happy and give everyone a clear development plan. Right now you've got two rising seniors in Styles & Cook. Maybe add 1 grad transfer and then build out with two more guys that can give you one to two years. By then your incoming freshmen will be juniors and you will be stacking another nice recruiting class behind that. That is the dream.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 18, 2024 14:11:38 GMT -5
Good luck to him! Gave it his all and hopefully is walking with a degree. Job well done.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 18, 2024 13:28:59 GMT -5
Just curious on thoughts on our guys and the process. I assume coach has already had exit interviews with everyone. Talked up the path forward and hopefully got an indication one way or the other so no one is caught off guard on either side. When would we reasonably expect to hear about any of our current roster?
I am of the camp that would prefer we get all of Cook, Styles, Epps, Brumbaugh & Fielder back for 24/25. I realize roles change yada yada yada but I need to see some kids grow as players. Call me old fashion.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 14, 2024 11:22:13 GMT -5
Brando mentioned that Cooley was surprised that portal kids were looking for established winners. That seemed like a plant of sorts based on their dinner from the night before. Maybe they're thinking this is more of a rebuild then they thought. If so, it makes it even more important to retain and grow the young guys we got last cycle.
Winning will cure a lot of things. We obviously need to overpay a few kids and sell them on the vision for 24/25. Yes I feel like the recruiting is miles better but 2 of those 5 had committed to Providence first (fielder, mulready). I'm depressed.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 14, 2024 11:03:24 GMT -5
I just want some continuity. I get that guys will come & go but cheering on a brand new group of guys every year is getting old. I like Fielder & Brumbaugh for growth and I think Epps, Styles & Cook can all excel in different roles. I don't think anyone can look at this year and think that they don't need to greatly improve. If any of these kids is satisfied, they probably aren't the right kids.
The only other thing I could see is if a kid just didn't like the system or school after having been in it for a year or if they felt they weren't up to the level of competition and need to transfer down (I don't know anybody playing competitive sports who would view things this way but you never know). Looking forward to some good news hopefully in the weeks and months ahead.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 13, 2024 12:25:41 GMT -5
Dual & Hopkins would be really funny. Dual seems like he needs a lot of work which is to be expected for a freshman. Does he realize it though?
If Terrance Williams came full circle that would be an interesting twist.
I think we need a big guard who can defend and a few more big bodies with seasoning. It's going to be really interesting these next few months. We need some cohesion with the returning group (Brumbaugh, Fielder, Styles, Epps & Cook) coupled with a few hits on the waiver wire and for some freshman that are ready to roll day one. Kenner is going to be fun!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 13, 2024 11:37:11 GMT -5
Looking at Miami, they won the portal the past few years. Omier, Pack & Cleveland just delivered a 15-17 regular season and 6-14 in a weak conference. Portal success is harder then it looks. They also went to the final four last season Touche
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 13, 2024 8:25:30 GMT -5
Play some D, win the game. It's that simple.
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