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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 23, 2024 8:03:12 GMT -5
With the 10 players we have signed I would expect that very little of that $4M remains. If we are able to get Cliff, that will certainly be the case. I can't imagine that is true. Kansas spent the most last year at a little over $4 million according to 247Sports and that is with Hunter so I can't look at the 10 guys we have and think we spent close to that even if we had to spend more to get them to come. Now if we get Cliff than I can believe we spent close to that. Cost of the brick is going up. As NIL becomes blatant pay for play, you just need one sucker to overpay.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 23, 2024 7:58:25 GMT -5
Also read at least two other visits. I think one was UCLA and maybe UNC or USC. They aren't officially scheduled yet. I can't remember the second team. Guy is looking for the highest bidder and is asking for a small fortune. Wouldn't say we're out - but I'd also be surprised if he ended up at GU. Probably a pretty good strategy for a kid who likely is a good college player and needs to cash in. Maybe our price & opportunity is right but if not, I am sure we are pursuing a few other avenues. The era of money ball is officially here.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 18, 2024 9:01:43 GMT -5
That list seems out of whack, showing SJU w zero transfer commits for example, but has us as the #1 in-coming transfer class and the #1 in-coming freshmen class in the BEast. And neither list includes Drew McKenna, who arguably could be our most impactful new-comer given his time with the team last season and his physical capabilities. Let’s make last season a total anomaly. 1 2 3 Fireballs I'm also not sure these are lists you want to be on. Spears/Murray/Wahab transfer class was highlighted touted and stunk. These lists are about the more bodies you are bringing in vs. those that are the best fit and add to an established stable of players. I would love to see us get to a place where we have a two player freshmen class and a two transfer class every year. The freshmen replace the seniors and the transfers replace other transfers that didn't pan out. One can dream.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 14:17:59 GMT -5
We might need to retitle this thread. I'll be honest, if you aren't with us for a majority of your college career, I'm not terribly interested in you nor will I look back fondly on your contributions to the university. Wayne Bristol is a Hoya. I don't care if he is taking advantage of his graduate year and transferred in to Gtown after a year. Ryan Mutombo will be a Hoya. Nobody from the 22/23 Hoyas outside of those two counts in my opinion. Wilson is the only one I count from the 21/22 season. I've got to go all the way back to the 20/21 season with Pickett & Blair as a pair of longer term Hoyas.
This is a sad state of affairs that not just Georgetown, but college basketball as a whole finds itself in. It makes the product much less enjoyable.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 13:37:34 GMT -5
And no contracts of any length. It's a crazy system right now, if you can even call it that. One thing I don't understand - do the players advertise to their teammates how much NIL each is getting? That certainly leads to team building! I guarantee they are talking about it. I would if I was 20 trying to figure out my value. If Epps got $50, why wouldn't Styles ask for $40? Seems reasonable. Here would be my cap numbers based off the current projected roster: 1) Mack 2) Epps 3) Sorber 4) Fielder 5) Peevy 6) McKenna 7) Mulready 8) Williams 9) Cook I would have had Styles in there around 5/6. I'm not saying the players are worth this nor will they contribute to wins based off this but it is probably going to be cheaper to build out a roster around a core that started with you because you get the familiarity premium and you aren't in as much competition for young talent. Even after a break out year you can boost things up as needed. Going out to the waiver wire to bring in talent has to be the most expensive path to building out a roster. Even though they weren't successful as a team this year on the court, I really wish we would have Styles/Brumbaugh next year but I guess I just have to accept that this constant turnover is the way of the future. It makes the game much less enjoyable.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 13:20:35 GMT -5
If you believe the rumor mill - once Peavy got big NIL and Epps renegotiated, Styles tried to do the same unsuccessfully. I wonder what Epps renegotiated for? The guy was highly inefficient and didn't contribute to wins. Our biggest win of the season at Notre Dame he didn't even play if I recall.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 10:56:26 GMT -5
This is the new world. There's no avoiding it. Anyone you add won't have played a minute for Cooley. And anyone you add may affect an existing players playing time, which may lead him to leave. Of course. But wasn’t Cooley supposed to improve player retention and development? He’s lost two of his five recruits fron last year. We have a poster a couple of posts ago talking about young core and retention. Unfortunately, for now, we have to rely on the one-year older players. Did we lose 2 of 5 recruits? We lost Brumbaugh. Who is the 2nd? Cooley brought in Cook/Styles/Epps/Brumbaugh/Fielder. If you are complaining about losing Bristol who wasn't a Cooley recruit and is a grad transfer who was likely ceding minutes to Cooley recruited freshmen & transfers, then you are just looking to complain. We have lost one guy who would have contributed next year and that is Brumbaugh.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2024 10:13:10 GMT -5
Rutgers' adjusted defensive efficiency per Bart Torvik, nationally: 2023-2024: 5th 2022-2023: 8th 2021-2022: 64th 2020-2021: 20th Personally, I would kill for these numbers. Multiple times. Sure, these numbers look great but I'm talking about overall. As always I admit that I'm biased toward offense but aside from that I'm much more interested in seeing the young kids play this coming year. More than a few on this board spent much of last season calling some of the players @ St. John's "mercenaries" & praising the way Cooley & company were rebuilding the program seems like that notion is out the window now. I don't think so Etomic. We brought in a group last year and are relying on this freshmen group to rebuild the core. You've got to get old. We tried a one year rental with Massoud and then a bunch of walk ons. The difference between this and the ST. John's way is they brought in almost exclusively one year guys in free agency (Ledlum/Jenkins/Alleyne/Dingle) and we brought in multiple year guys (epps/styles/brumbaugh/cook). Ideally we would have kept Brumbaugh but reality is a very low turnover roster is the best you can hope for. THey have turned over much more of their roster with Dunlap/WIlcher/Luis likely as their core coming back and I don't think they have much of an incoming freshmen group. To make it work, it took over half the season and by the time they got it together, it didn't matter for tournament purposes with all the conference upsets and the BE getting hosed out of spots. At the end of the day, we would much rather have had their year one. I think we are going to look pretty even by year two and I think we pass them by in year three. We shall see but the plan seems to be working it's just our year one was worse then any of us could have expected.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 9, 2024 15:27:07 GMT -5
Hate this for Seton Hall...does Dre Davis really think he's going to command a lot more NIL money somewhere else? Bad look for the kid, IMO. I think he could get it from us. Big body wing with one year to help mentor and we keep announcing our bank account balance? I would gladly take him. Maybe he also is being enticed to go back home to IU or Butler.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 9, 2024 15:25:02 GMT -5
The Cooley-first fans are really going to have to work on their Brumbaugh narrative, facts keep getting in the way... For us neophytes, can you wrap a bow around what the agent NIL AAU assistant coach all have to do with Brumbaugh?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 5, 2024 14:33:13 GMT -5
Are people talking about Hughes out of Oklahoma? Seems like a fit for what we would want. A big body, doesn't demand the ball, presumably one or two years of eligibility.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 4, 2024 13:41:26 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 4, 2024 12:10:54 GMT -5
It's going to be fun to see Providence at the bottom of the standings again in the near future. When will that be? 24/25 unless they hit on some of these transfers. Barron, Floyd, Pierre and a recovering Hopkins don't get you very far. Losing Carter & Oduro along with a jump needed from a now leaving Dual isn't great. That roster w/ Carter & Oduro got them 7th and no tourney. I would put Provy down with us & Depaul next year if I'm being honest.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 4, 2024 7:49:37 GMT -5
I'm all in for Mack but not so much for these 1 year players especially wing & front-court types who'll take PT away from the youngsters. We need to get old immediately. We cannot wait to see if the youngsters get old here (see Rowan). I'm with PR. As long as the youngsters (Williams/McKenna) on the wing understand the process. Variable minutes in year one and then expanding in year two, I'm good with it. Injuries & illness are a thing and we need more talent across the board.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 3, 2024 9:19:12 GMT -5
Re somebody like Wolf (or others for that matter), I think it comes down to how much do we want to spend on him. It's great that we supposedly have all this NIL money, but we should spend it smartly. I think he would have had limited impact on our team this year because of how we ran the offense: I do feel with a well-run team he could contribute and has a lot of room to improve on an individual basis. He could certainly help next year but is still developmental to some degree for a power conf team and would really need to change the way he plays re court position and role to have a real impact. Color me dubious on our NIL money. Even if we have a lot, we need to double offers from other schools to get a look (is my guess). You also have to manage payroll with the existing players. Make sure to give them enough to stay, don't give them too much so you aren't paying a bench player more then a starter, and then manage egos when that all falls apart. No college coach has this skill set. I am not sure Mark Fox has it either. You basically need a cap specialist without a cap.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 2, 2024 9:26:31 GMT -5
If Lampkin was the first domino we were expecting, color me unimpressed. I get that we are looking for a back-up big or a starter who will likely cede minutes as our freshmen gets better but damn, Eddie Lampkin?!? There have to be ten centers in the portal who would be a better fit then that guy. I have a feeling I am going to hate the next three to four weeks.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 1, 2024 12:28:14 GMT -5
I agree about Rowan, I like him and think he will be a really good college player. But if your Rowan and were told they might be looking for another PG to start while he develops as a backup, what would you do? I’m sure he will find a place to start and probably make more $$, the game has TOTALLY CHANGED. With him and Kaiser out of Maryland, this just shows we can't count on this upcoming freshmen class to be the solution. I would love to believe we have told everyone of these kids the unvarnished truth. What the 3 to 4 year plan is for them. Maybe with Rowan we were just in fill mode when we got him and didn't get a chance to have this discussion. It's not like Rowan would sit next year. He just wouldn't see the minutes he saw on a terrible team. He also would likely see those minutes rise his junior year and start his senior year. The kid isn't a pro so a degree should mean something. The grass also isn't always greener as the schools recruiting him will due the same thing if they can.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 1, 2024 9:02:57 GMT -5
Just my thoughts: I think Sorber might be one of the highest paid guys on team, if not the highest, I think he starts. I like TJ but he looks like a Fielder clone, maybe he’s better but I think we invest in Fielder. Lampkin to me is a backup or pass. Defense has to be priority number one. Again here’s what I hope PG Malik Mack and a strong backup SG Jayden Epps and Mulready SF Styles, McKenna and Williams PF a stud experienced scorer and defense and Fielder C Sorber, strong backup, Cook We HAVE to get the PG AND PF RIGHT What if for strong back-up PG we go with this kid out of Georgetown named Rowan Brumbaugh?!? 6'4, good handle, good shot, needs seasoning. WTF are we doing.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 22, 2024 11:22:56 GMT -5
This kid might be going for the transfer record. Duquesne -- Gtown -- Florida State -- I'm guessing he sneaks in two more colleges in the next two years.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 21, 2024 9:33:46 GMT -5
There are two ways to look at guys who were paying players back before it was legal: First, you can take the view that paying players is legal now, and that the players should have been compensated all along, so past violations for paying players (as opposed to procuring prostitutes, or I don't know, creating an entire fake academic department to keep players eligible) shouldn't really be held against those coaches. Second, you can take the view that, while the players deserved compensation even before it was legal, it wasn't legal. Coaches weren't buying recruits out of the goodness of their hearts, they were doing it to get a leg up on the teams that weren't offering the bag. A coach who was willing to drop the bag under the old rules is a coach who was willing to cheat to get an edge. Now that the playing field has been leveled (from a rules perspective, if not a bankroll perspective), that edge is gone. But the willingness to break the rules and find a new edge might not be gone. In other words, the focus shouldn't be on the nature of the crime, but the active decision to be a criminal. Personally, I fall closer to the first view, at least with respect to this (potential?) hire. Johnson has been caught, disciplined, and is serving his sentence, so to speak. Why should Georgetown punish itself by imposing harsher guidelines than the NCAA? Don't get me wrong, I understand the view that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, but I don't know if I'm willing to go so far as to assume a potential assistant-coach hire is irredeemable because he committed infractions in the past, which would not be infractions today. I trust Cooley to do the diligence and decide whether Johnson is a guy who can be trusted to abide by the rules now that NIL is allowed, or whether he's just a guy who will cheat to get ahead, and will find a new way to cheat. I would add another view on this. If they weren't cheating, would they still have been a good assistant? So now that the playing field is level, are their connections strong enough to stand on their own now that the payment is the same from every player? That is a legit question. I have no thoughts on this guy but if he is a takeover guy and takeover wants him in that position, that might be a good reason to hire him. His old recruiting successes when he could cheat aren't that special because he had a leg up. That is the real question in this new Jackie Moon semi-pro nonsense we are in with the NCAA.
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