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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 21:54:44 GMT -5
Well it looks like I am going to miss the rest of the game. I have to leave at half and I won't be able to get to a tv for an hour. Oh well. Could you post the video of us playing defense against the pick and roll against them last year one more time before you go? We need that on here more than 5 times...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 21:52:05 GMT -5
We are on pace to give up 100 points. Are we watching the same thing? Can you read? So you're point is we have stopped the pick and roll and instead are getting torched outside and on cuts?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 21:27:42 GMT -5
Well this is a new low for our defense...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 21:25:57 GMT -5
I might not be aware of something but is Mutumbo in uniform?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 21:23:05 GMT -5
Dante hurts the team with these quick shots Beyond that he is has been alarmingly awful from 3...I mean even for him he has been really bad.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 21:21:36 GMT -5
This promising so far. Feel more active...but we have been our best in the first half all year...the real test will be if can continue this success into the 2nd half...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 20:04:15 GMT -5
We went thru this yesterday in the game thread, you declined to respond so no need to post this game clip in multiple threads Oh my fault. So you basically discounted the fact that the team last year, finally got it at the end of the season of how to play the PnR. I have two points to make. Point #1 is Ewing definitely knows how to play the PnR of Creighton as it clearly shows here on the tape. My second point is, it took the team last year some time to fully grasp the defensive philosophies and concept behind how to defend the roller. That isn't on Ewing, that is on the players. Now, when the team does it right, just like it is demonstrated time and time again in this game video tape, it is a beautiful thing to see. You didn't watch the whole game as you stated you only watched a few minutes. Creighton, that's all they do is PnR apparently judging by this tape and they mix it up with the three point shot. The PnR is Creighton's game. However, they can hit that pick and roll from all angles making their offense deadly and diverse. The team last year destroyed the PnR and that's the reason why Creighton got blown out. They had nothing but the PnR and it failed most of the time. Now how do you explain Ewing's brilliant defense this year and his so called not knowing how to coach defense this year? It obviously ain't Ewing like the Hoyatalk gang members like to force everyone who can't think for themselves to believe. I went to the Creighton game and trust me, I was screaming back door, back door every time I saw dude go into the pick and roll. The guys are just not reacting or should I say being proactive like the guys from last year and reading the play before it fully happens which is what you need to defend the PnR successfully. Go back and watch this video and you will see Blair jump the center, Pickett and Bile too almost before the center even takes the second step after he picks off Harris. The other part about it is Blair, Pickett and Bile always recover back to their man when the center passed the ball out to the open player on the three point line. My take is that the guys have to learn how to defend it and for some it is taking a very long time to learn. One of the problem is the guys had never played Creighton and even though they watched tapes of Creighton's PnR, it ain't nothing like a good old fashion whoopin' to make sure you learn.... and that is what it is. Next year, if all things remain the same, I can guarantee you that they do a much better job on the PnR. One thing I would like to clear up that Beans like to say that I am referring to this team as having no talent. That isn't true. I've always said that the team is talented but not experienced and this is the main problem with this team. They are still learning (which is something I've always echoed) and they haven't played as many games in Patrick Ewing's system and not many college games period. This is the reason why you have to have some seniors on the team even if they are not Georgetown seniors but seniors who have transferred into the program. The seniors and juniors for that matter can make the game a whole lot easier for the young guys who are just now learning Patrick Ewing's system and learning how to play college ball. You are on record of saying scholarships should be pulled from some of these kids and replaced with veteran transfers. So they have talent you say but instead of allowing them to grow as bball players and allow them another year in the program you want them out. Ok makes sense... Let's not pretend Ewing has been successful on the defensive end. You have given us time and time again your Marquette equation for experience and say numbers don't lie...so then these numbers don't lie either... Defensive Efficiency 2021-22: Rank 289 2020-21: Rank 152 2019-20: Rank 240 2018-19: Rank 195 2017-18: Rank 173 Those are 5 different rosters and never in the top 150. Those are awful results. You want argue he knows how to scheme against p&r great...then their clearly being beat by everything else defensively. Numbers don't lie.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 19:54:57 GMT -5
We went thru this yesterday in the game thread, you declined to respond so no need to post this game clip in multiple threads Oh my fault. So you basically discounted the fact that the team last year, finally got it at the end of the season of how to play the PnR. I have two points to make. Point #1 is Ewing definitely knows how to play the PnR of Creighton as it clearly shows here on the tape. My second point is, it took the team last year some time to fully grasp the defensive philosophies and concept behind how to defend the roller. That isn't on Ewing, that is on the players. Now, when the team does it right, just like it is demonstrated time and time again in this game video tape, it is a beautiful thing to see. You didn't watch the whole game as you stated you only watched a few minutes. Creighton, that's all they do is PnR apparently judging by this tape and they mix it up with the three point shot. The PnR is Creighton's game. However, they can hit that pick and roll from all angles making their offense deadly and diverse. The team last year destroyed the PnR and that's the reason why Creighton got blown out. They had nothing but the PnR and it failed most of the time. Now how do you explain Ewing's brilliant defense this year and his so called not knowing how to coach defense this year? It obviously ain't Ewing like the Hoyatalk gang members like to force everyone who can't think for themselves to believe. I went to the Creighton game and trust me, I was screaming back door, back door every time I saw dude go into the pick and roll. The guys are just not reacting or should I say being proactive like the guys from last year and reading the play before it fully happens which is what you need to defend the PnR successfully. Go back and watch this video and you will see Blair jump the center, Pickett and Bile too almost before the center even takes the second step after he picks off Harris. The other part about it is Blair, Pickett and Bile always recover back to their man when the center passed the ball out to the open player on the three point line. My take is that the guys have to learn how to defend it and for some it is taking a very long time to learn. One of the problem is the guys had never played Creighton and even though they watched tapes of Creighton's PnR, it ain't nothing like a good old fashion whoopin' to make sure you learn.... and that is what it is. Next year, if all things remain the same, I can guarantee you that they do a much better job on the PnR. One thing I would like to clear up that Beans like to say that I am referring to this team as having no talent. That isn't true. I've always said that the team is talented but not experienced and this is the main problem with this team. They are still learning (which is something I've always echoed) and they haven't played as many games in Patrick Ewing's system and not many college games period. This is the reason why you have to have some seniors on the team even if they are not Georgetown seniors but seniors who have transferred into the program. The seniors and juniors for that matter can make the game a whole lot easier for the young guys who are just now learning Patrick Ewing's system and learning how to play college ball.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 19:08:05 GMT -5
Go Gtown!
I don't know why but I am going to say Holloway has a big game tonight. Feel like he is due.
That's the best I got
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 13:24:21 GMT -5
I second HoyaBoya's question as it applies to the recruiting thread.
I am very appreciative of the individuals that post score updates/stats of potential recruits, people declaring their Top 5,7, etc and whatever else gets posted there that I'm technologically too challenged to find myself. Especially if those posts have no commentary at all...
Just my 2 cents that those shouldn't count in my book...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 14, 2022 9:35:35 GMT -5
A few thoughts from Saturday mixed with ideas for tonight. Some of this was in the game thread until that went off the rails: - I honestly didn't see a Creighton team that was overly more talented than us. Unfortunately this is just the most glaring situation where the systems of the coaching staff come into play. On offense, Creighton passed up multiple contested shots, and would kick it back out and recycle. On defense, they really tried to run us off the line, let Kalkbrenner stay home and let their shot blocker make things difficult. On the other hand, we're so eager to go 1-1 and take a challenged shot, and our defense just refuses to adjust on pick and roll. Others have said it, is Hawkins that much better than Rice? Nembhard has a bright future but he's not much better than Dante today. Carey is better than O'Connell. Kalkbrenner put up a great stat line but there weren't special post moves in there. He's put in the right spot to block shots and finish around the rim.
- Nationwide Nolan on twitter had the screengrabs, but the pick and roll coverage is fundamentally broken. People ask for the biggest difference between last years run, and this year. And this is it. If you re-watch the BET champ, notwithstanding Creighton hits an alley-oop on the first play, Q and Tim were much lower on ball screens. And Ewing's comment post-game is more concerning...he thinks the bigs aren't up FAR enough to block penetration. And the reality is Holloway and Rice aren't athletic enough to deter the lob, compared to Bile and Pickett. Adjust your system to your talent. Play drop coverage, dare them to hit a pull up 2 (they dont have Zegarowski anymore) and take away the two 3 point shooters. Honestly this isn't that difficult.
- I consider myself one of the last residents of Dante Island, but I'm checking available flights. I said it in the game thread...7 possessions where Dante shot off zero passes early in the shot clock. The team went on a run as soon as both PGs came out of the game. Honestly I'd like to see more of that lineup. Or play Beard but let Carey bring the ball up and be the lead guard to generate offense.
- Pass the ball on a fast break please
- I do see in-game adjustments from Ewing, but they're just a tad late. Kalkbrenner comes out, they're going small w Feazell at center. We didn't have the substitution ready, Tim gets stuck on him, doesnt get out to 3 point line. And then he makes the sub when he realizes there's a problem. That stuff needs to be thought out before. Play out the scenarios and be ready to get to the matchups you want.
Hoya Saxa
Excellent post...I kind of wish you were coaching tonight...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 13, 2022 0:37:23 GMT -5
It seems that post has since been deleted so I couldn’t comment on it directly, but I actually laughed out loud while reading it. I swear sometimes I can’t tell if this dude is just a delusional caricature of an actual fan or the greatest troll of all time. Either way, at this point I’m hoping Ewing gets fired just to see if he keeps his word that he would leave here for good. I had to wait to 12 to be sure that I didn't violate the post rules. But anyways, you can comment on this post. I deleted the post because admin edited my post. But anyways, if I run into Ewing before he leaves I'll make sure to get a picture of it and post it on here for you so that you have egg on your face. Secondly, yeah I did say I would leave and I will hold onto my promise but only after I laugh at you and the rest of the Hoyatalk gang when Georgetown continues losing and it turns out that what I said was true. So give me another year after Ewing is gone to hang around on Hoyatalk so I can rub it in you guys face and get the last laugh. Also, I have five years of season tickets. If Ewing doesn't return next year, I may go to next year's game and look for you so call alumni. I bet you won't show up for the games. I bet you a million dollars you won't show up fair weaher. This has to be a troll. This can't be real. Ewing and I stare at each other before tip off just gazing into each other's eyes. c'mon how could I have thought this was real? I bet you a million dollars? That's the same bet my 11 year old son makes about everything he thinks he's right about. C'mon this can't be a grown man You will hold on for a year for what again? When the next coach isn't better than Ewing? So what's the next coach have to do? Go 1-11 in their first 12 BE games instead of 0-12, boy how will anyone ever top that? You know what I am convinced let's just keep Ewing for a decade and see if he can turn it around. What the heck. I assume if you yell rebound for 10 years it eventually sinks in. I will start saving my million dollars now...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 22:12:52 GMT -5
HA - I support our players I just think their talentless and should have scholarships pulled...what great support!
Look our only hope now is for you and Ewing to share a long gaze and get this program back on track.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 21:17:02 GMT -5
For the sake of the program I sure hope you happen to run into Patrick Ewing one of these days. I'm hoping that you're not trying to be funny but anyways I actually had a chance to probably talk to him at the TCU game. I was in the stands and he saw me and we looked at each other for at least a few minutes. I think he knew who I was as he kept his eyes on me for a minute. The problem was this was just before tip off and I was on the other side of the court. I wished that I had said something to him then but I was thinking it would have been too much of a distraction and plus I had my mask on and didn't want to take it off and risk getting Covid. I have one more home game to go to but the seating is not too good. I hope he stays one more year and hopefully I can try to run into him maybe at his office. Edited.--AdminI mean have we reached official lunacy on this board. We have a poster that thinks him and Ewing locked eyes at a game like two star-crossed lovers and then contemplated if they should go speak to Ewing about about how to get the program moving in the right direction. Did I just read that...my goodness. I guess this is what happens when you have the worst season in school history. Beyond that insanity...I want to make sure your point is broadcasted loud and clear if by any chance a player comes onto this board. I say that somewhat sarcastically hoping none of them ever do but let's be perfectly clear where you stand tafkashfee because you have gone out of your way time and time again to defend Ewing with little to no regard for the players (other than your binky Dante). PLAYERS...tafkashfee thinks collectively this team does not have enough talent to compete in the BE. I guess let alone even beating teams like Dartmouth or St. Joes. He thinks you are so untalented that he isn't even surprised at where the team stands today. He thinks this all sits on your shoulders, not Ewing's. He is actually very clear that some of you are essentially scab recruits because Ewing lost multiple players mid season and now Ewing is trying to pick up the pieces. In fact he thinks so little of some of you as players he would like to see your scholarship pulled. Not only so little of you as player but as a person and even though you have committed to this program, to this school, become part of the Gtown family and had to cope with what has been probably devastating season all around...he would like to see you gone and replaced w/a 1 year rental as soon as possible. PLAYERS let me also be clear that the vast majority of the board does not feel the same. I see talent and I see high level D1 talent on this team. One that can certainly compete in the BE. I believe any lack of on court development, game preparation, in game/halftime strategy and essentially the disaster of this season lies on the shoulders of coach Ewing. The same coach that has been unable to have a winning BE record with 5 other prior collection of players. This season is not on you (although you would never know that from Ewing's post game interviews) this is on him. I hope every single one of you stays under new leadership. AGAIN PLAYERS...tafkashfee thinks you have very limited talent. What a nice position by you tafkashfee. I hope you don't lock eyes with any of the players on the team I don't think you will get the same googly eyes that Ewing gave you.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 19:52:38 GMT -5
Respectively I don't think what Ewing is experiencing in terms of players he "expected" to be here is unique in today's college bball landscape. I could almost argue at this point it's the norm. Players staying all 4 years is becoming rare...and even more rare if you can't win. That's reality today. So from my standpoint I am not ignoring the fact the Akinjo, Wahab and others are no longer here I have come to accept that all high level programs are going to have to combat this new landscape including Ewing and I don't feel it should allow him a pass. Yeah but schools are not expereincing players leaving in the middle of a season and on top of that, half the squad. No schools are experiencing that and don't try to pretend that they are. What happen with that class was devastating to Ewing and it set him off on this course of trying to get talent in ever since. Other schools are not experiencing talent defincies like Georgetown has been experiencing for a while at least before Ewing got here. I just want you guys to have that same energy when the next guy gets here and experience talent defiency because of low recruiting. When the next guy struggles, I want y'all to immediately start calling for his head like you all did for Ewing. The way I look at it, if Ewing leaves at the end of the season based on the scholarship count, guys who are on the team now and should they stay, and good talent reluctance to come here (especially the locals), the next coach isn't going to move the needle and Georgetown is going to continue to struggle. If Ewing stays, I implore him to go through the transfer portal and get some impact transfer players even if it means he's got to reluctanly give up a couple of guys, who are already on the team, scholarships. If the next coach is setting records in ineptness like Ewing is in year 5 with zero winning BE seasons and a sub .500 record and literally the worst stretch of bball in Georgetown history...I promise to scream then like I am now. Deal.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 18:53:04 GMT -5
You keep saying this and I agree that the team is not very good. Some of the defensive lapses today were inexcusable. But it is very difficult to get around the fact that this is Pat’s team.If the lesson is supposed the that better players can make for “better” coaches, then let’s recognize that it’s a big part of a coach’s job to bring in, and retain, players that make for a cohesive team—especially over a period of several years. That’s why some are paid 3+ million/year. Yes it is Pat's team but this is not the team that Pat envisioned on the floor 21-22, That is my point! He lost some key figures some of which are on other teams which you people keep ignoring!!! Pat is playing with second string players which you all insist on ignoring. This year, Patrick would have at least Akinjo and Q on the team at least and they would have been starting. When he lost those guys especially Akinjo, it wasn't lke he could go to free agency in the middle of the season to get a good replacement. The guys we are relylng on was recruited to help off the bench, not start. Why can't you see this fact dude?! Respectively I don't think what Ewing is experiencing in terms of players he "expected" to be here is unique in today's college bball landscape. I could almost argue at this point it's the norm. Players staying all 4 years is becoming rare...and even more rare if you can't win. That's reality today. So from my standpoint I am not ignoring the fact the Akinjo, Wahab and others are no longer here I have come to accept that all high level programs are going to have to combat this new landscape including Ewing and I don't feel it should allow him a pass.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 17:16:11 GMT -5
Every single, literally every single thing that is being mentioned to why this team is failing is on Ewing. Whether it's a struggling offense an inept defense, a poor roster makeup, strategies on both sides of the ball...whatever each poster feels they are seeing that is causing this team to be unsuccessful one way or another falls on the shoulders ultimately of one individual...
...EWING
...ENOUGH ALREADY
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 17:06:44 GMT -5
The defense has been bad for almost the entirety of his tenure. No argument. But this is Creighton and I saw stuff today that transcended coaching. ...but again then where does the blame lie? This is what I don't get. If it's not the coaching as people are arguing then it's the players and every single kid on that court is a Ewing recruited/transfer player. I would argue he can't coach defense at all based off 5 years of bad defense and then at best he is bringing in all the wrong players over and over. ...at the end of day he is the captain of this sinking/sunk ship.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 14:14:28 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how people are still denying that we have a coaching problem. Nobody here thinks we have top of the Big East talent. But there is a HUGE amount of middle ground between that and 0-12. Wake up people. It doesn’t make you a bad fan/alumni to admit we have a problem. To be honest looking at the threads I think there is about 5 posters that still think Ewing can get the job done and the rest agree this is a complete dumpster fire... I honestly believe 99% of this board sees what's happening and we are arguing with a blind 1%....
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2022 14:08:39 GMT -5
How many years would you give Ewing to turn this around? Listen coach Ewing will need time develop the young players and incoming freshmen next season. It’s a total rebuild guys. So what's your answer? How many years? We are in Year 5 as a reminder...
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