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Post by TBird41 on May 21, 2014 13:22:36 GMT -5
A two year NBA rule might change how some kids look at things as it might mean they need to attend some classes. From my understanding of how the sausage is made at UK, guys don't even have to step inside a class room to be eligible for one year. This probably doesn't change how those programs will market themselves but it will make things a bit more interesting and the level of hoops in college will likely go up significantly by keeping these kids around two years. How do they work that with the APR? It'd kill UK's APR to have players not complete their classes second semester. Also, the NBA's collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow either side to opt out until 2017. I doubt that the players and owners would agree to a huge rule change like that outside the CBA process
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Post by TBird41 on May 21, 2014 10:20:39 GMT -5
I'm new to this forum, so I thought that Rabb's 17-page thread was already long... and then I look back and notice that Nerlens Noel had a 160+ page forum?!?!?!! Someone who was there, please tell me, what did you guys even talk about for that many pages? Same old s***, over and over. A lot of posters think the more often they say something, the more likely it is to come true. Think of it like an in-game thread for an NCAA tournament game, only the result came down to a haircut, rather than a basketball
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Post by TBird41 on May 21, 2014 9:53:36 GMT -5
There is one thing of which I am absolutely certain - I have visited the Board more times this May then I usually do between May 1 and October 1. Must . . . do . . . work . . . Yeah, one downside to Dickerson & Govan's quick triggers / their commitments not coming during a visit is that it feels like any of these recruits could commit at any time.
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Post by TBird41 on May 21, 2014 9:36:26 GMT -5
Uhhh, I believe the correct phrase on the Interwebs is "I am disappoint." Der! As for me, well, at the risk of having to turn in my nerd card, I don't know a whole lot about Guardians. It was never one I collected or followed very much. I will almost certainly go see (or at least steal) the movie, because Marvel is on a roll right now and they really haven't done anything bad in a long time. At least not in the theaters (we can have a lengthy discussion about the missed opportunity that was Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. at another time, but at least the show redeemed itself a fair bit in the post-Winter Soldier episodes). But I am not an expert on any of the characters and don't know their story lines all that well. Actually, I think it might be kind of refreshing to go in to an MCU movie with such a blank slate. Probably the only time that will happen. At least until Marvel finally bows to the Internet and decides to make Luke Cage. I'm in the same boat, re: knowledge of Guardians. That being said, Chris Pratt + a talking raccoon voiced by a Hoya + what looks to be an awesome sci-fi universe has me really excited for it, not necessarily as a Marvel movie, but as an awesome Sci-fi movie. The Marvel piece makes me think its going to be really good, but then again, so do the trailers. The Marvel tie in is almost secondary--I'd want to see this movie if it wasn't a Marvel movie.
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Post by TBird41 on May 20, 2014 14:40:15 GMT -5
All I got is that he was blown away at Red Square. Gotta give props to the students....they know their bball!!! Man, who knew the blueandgray signal would actually work? Glad to hear the students went all out for Rabb. Thanks for the update
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Post by TBird41 on May 20, 2014 14:39:22 GMT -5
If we're going to go politically crazy about a movie, how about at least make it fun? Which 2016 Presidential Candidates would support a Sentinel Project? Are unmanned drones a precursor to a Sentinel Project? Is X-Men : Days of Future Past a liberal movie which attacks President Nixon's and Reagan's well intentioned defense efforts, or is it a libertarian movie which shows the slippery slope of the defense-industrial complex and erosions of civil liberties? Is Magneto a conservative? I am Groot
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Post by TBird41 on May 19, 2014 11:35:43 GMT -5
That is a snazzy looking bow tie that Jack's wearing.
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Post by TBird41 on May 18, 2014 9:17:02 GMT -5
DSR could actually be an AA. Wouldn't shock me. The numbers he has put up so far have been pretty outstanding for a sophomore. If he continues to progress, I don't see why that couldn't happen. You have to figured DSR is going to be one of favorites for Big East player of the year this year and next. If the Hoyas have a lot of team success and get a top 4 seed, and DSR continues to play like he did this past year, he'd have to have a good shot at an All American team, especially if he wins BE POY.
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Post by TBird41 on May 16, 2014 11:02:35 GMT -5
but i have rarely seen raw players turning into good shooters. What are the contours of this statement? Certainly you don't mean that raw players can't ever turn into good shooters. The NBA is littered with those guys. And I don't think you mean that we can't turn bad shooters into good shooters. We've done that with Chris Wright, Otto, Jessie Sapp to name a few. So I'm assuming raw is a stand-in for "not that skilled" in more contexts than just shooting, but I don't see how that has much relation to the ability to develop a shot. If we can turn a kid lacking the ability to shoot into a kid who can shoot, why would a kid who lacked a good handle, or lacked good defensive fundamentals be unable to develop a shot? And in any case, there are plenty of raw kids who end up developing good shots. Everyone from Oladipo (who was referenced earlier) to Henry Sims. Don't forget Jabril--his shot was horrible as a freshman (24%) and has improved significantly in his time here (31.3% last year, 39% after his injury).
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Post by TBird41 on May 15, 2014 10:20:13 GMT -5
I'm with everyone else on this one - there was one spot for Egbunu or for Govan. If Egbunu were a sophomore and somehow immediately eligible, it would be different, but he's not - he would have to sit a year, and then assuming that Mourning were on scholarship, there would be only one scholarship available for a guard and not much ballhandling depth in 2015-2016 with Campbell and possibly Peak as the only two primary ballhandlers on the roster. Unless one of the overall top 10 decides to commit to GU, the 2014/2015 and 2015/2016 scholarships should be going to guards. That said, I still wish we had nailed down Chukwu though. Presumably DSR will also still be around in 2015/16, but I get your point.
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Post by TBird41 on May 13, 2014 15:28:44 GMT -5
Do not sleep on Mourning. The kid has potential. Also do not rule out White playing the 2 or 3 some. Well, I mean, if you insist--I'll just sit here and giggle about how loaded we would be if Mourning turns into a quality stretch four as a sophomore (or even as a junior), allowing us to play Paul White as a SG.
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Post by TBird41 on May 13, 2014 13:00:24 GMT -5
I think this probably takes us out of the running for Egbunu. We need to focus on guards, unless Rabb wants to come on down. Egbunu, Govan, and Dickerson will be graduating in the same class, and I'm not sure it's great balance to have our three true bigs in the same class. Getting a '16 center would seem necessary, more necessary than a third '15 big (given Egbunu sitting a year out). I think Egbunu would graduate a year ahead of Dickerson, as he'd have 3 years of eligibility remaining starting with the 15-16 year as he'd be a sophomore, while Govan and Dickerson would have 4 as true freshman
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Post by TBird41 on May 13, 2014 9:17:28 GMT -5
My feeling is that they could be redundant. While Egbunu might be more ready to play from day 1, he and Govan are similar types of players who would fill similar roles. We also need to leave room for at least one guard, and I assume the staff is not going to give up on high profile targets like Raab. That said, if Egbunu wants to come too, I'd say take him and let the scholarship situation figure itself out. Probably very true. I've sort of written off the Raab / Comanche, but if Govan/Egbunu have the same game, it's probably better to go after a Skaal or the greek kid from Takeover to add another big (assuming their games aren't redundant). JT3 is more than willing to do it, as we saw when he brought in Monroe and Sims in the same class (which is instructive as to why we should probably add another big guy in the 2015 class)
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Post by TBird41 on May 13, 2014 9:08:20 GMT -5
Since adding Hardy and Sutton, our recruiting has really stepped up a notch (and I know Broadus has a lot to do with it, too, I am not meaning to sell him short). This really does show that hitting the trail and persistence pay off in recruiting. I hope we can keep this up. I am trying not to get ahead of myself, but at this point, there's no reason the 2015-2016 team should not be excellent. Agreed. Can't say enough about what the staff has done with recruiting the past two years. The team's future is really looking bright
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Post by TBird41 on May 13, 2014 8:58:41 GMT -5
Any reason we can't take Egbunu too? (assuming he's still interested, of course) Hayes is the only other center on the roster at the moment for 2015, and I think we all know that you can't assume Govan will be ready day one
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Post by TBird41 on May 12, 2014 12:31:14 GMT -5
So, I guess my question with Derrickson is where he fits into the rotation as a freshman / sophomore. It doesn't seem like he provides anything offensively that isn't replicated by other players, now that Noah has committed, who, it sounds like, is both bigger and much more of a traditional post player than Derrickson. (The caveat, of course, is that I haven't seen him play, only read about him, so please take this as a question, not a criticism) He seems to be a 4/3, but he's not particularly tall, and it sounds like he won't be able to keep up with most 3s on defense. Considering the 3/4 positions will have Peak, Copeland, White and Noah (not to mention Mourning and Cameron) there for at least his freshman year, is he something of a project/end of the rotation type, at least his first year (and maybe even his second, depending on if anyone goes pro early and how everyone develops)? Or does his game add something that none of the other players provide (like Cameron's shooting, if it comes around)? Not to be too critical, TBird, but I love how this board, during the season, is annoyed at our lack of quality depth ... but when assessing future roles, everyone is going to be awesome that there's no room. If, somehow, Copeland, Dickerson, Derrickson, White, Mourning, Cameron and Hayes (no idea why you threw Peak in there -- he'll be playing much more of the 2 with Trawick, Bowen and possibly DSR gone) are all somehow performing so well they demand minutes, then I guess, we'll have the depth we always wanted. More likely, though, since that's three Sophs, 2 frosh and two upperclassmen who have yet to make a ton of impact for three positions... that's just not that crowded because most likely 1/2 of the frosh won't be really all that ready, and 1/2 of Cameron/Hayes won't ever be any good. If Derrickson is good enough to play as a frosh, he'll play. If not, he'll play when he's ready. I guess I don't see why people think this is an issue. If our players are so good that a very good Marcus Derrickson can't get PT... I'll live with that. Peak got added b/c I could see him playing the 3 in smaller lineups with DSR and Tre (or another guard that joins in 2015). And, I don't think this is an issue--I'm not one of the posters that harps on JT3 constantly about the rotation not being deep enough--mainly, it just seemed like he would be the most likely to be at the back end of the rotation as a frosh / sophomore because he didn't fill a specific role, is undersized for a 4 and isn't the kind of shooter that would stretch the floor (at least not yet) as a 3. Is that a fair assessment? Am I underrating his post game / shooting? He's a top 75 recruit, so he's obviously really talented, but it's not like he's a top 10 guy that's automatically going to produce as an underclassman, especially as a tweener (unlike, say, Dickerson, who is clearly a PF).
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Post by TBird41 on May 12, 2014 11:20:30 GMT -5
So, I guess my question with Derrickson is where he fits into the rotation as a freshman / sophomore. It doesn't seem like he provides anything offensively that isn't replicated by other players, now that Noah has committed, who, it sounds like, is both bigger and much more of a traditional post player than Derrickson. (The caveat, of course, is that I haven't seen him play, only read about him, so please take this as a question, not a criticism)
He seems to be a 4/3, but he's not particularly tall, and it sounds like he won't be able to keep up with most 3s on defense. Considering the 3/4 positions will have Peak, Copeland, White and Noah (not to mention Mourning and Cameron) there for at least his freshman year, is he something of a project/end of the rotation type, at least his first year (and maybe even his second, depending on if anyone goes pro early and how everyone develops)? Or does his game add something that none of the other players provide (like Cameron's shooting, if it comes around)?
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Post by TBird41 on May 12, 2014 11:09:56 GMT -5
Sounds like some of our fans have a case of PTRSD. Post Traumatic Recruiting Stress Disorder. Yup. If the recruit has any hair on his head what-so-ever, I'm going to assume the worst until he's committed (and signed a LOI, in some cases).
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Post by TBird41 on May 12, 2014 10:52:23 GMT -5
Very well stated Bubbles.. I also don't buy into the conspiracy theories pushed by Professorhoya either.. Antigua could have easily blocked Egbunu from even considering Va.Tech if he felt something shady was going on with Roccoforte & Buzz.. Egbunu could end up choosing Buzz but I don't buy that he's a Va. tech lean at all and I still like the staff's chances with him.. Nothing surprises me in this game called recruiting. Do I believe he has a bagman or extra incentives to secure a players services? For sure. But I also believe a recruit can look past the short term gain and see tr bigger picture. Well, this particular center already chose to go to South Florida despite having a RSCI ranking of #63, so it's pretty clear that horrible basketball programs aren't automatically eliminated from his decision making
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Post by TBird41 on May 12, 2014 10:21:11 GMT -5
Are we screwed? No. Is there a pretty decent chance that we do not secure a commitment from any of the four centers you've named? Yes. So why aren't we screwed? Because Noah Dickerson already committed, and while he's not as tall as many of us would like, he's talented. All those missed open layups? Don't worry about them. Yes, he's not going to defend the rim like Hibbert, but he's not a fallback plan, either. Because there are other big men prospects out there. You've listed four, but there's other players. Because Rabb and Comanche were always longer shots; Egbunu is far from a lock to Va Tech and Govan seems pretty open at the moment. To this point, we saw in 2013 that JT3 has shown he knows how to deploy a pretty nasty zone without having a 7' shotblocker. If we're going 6'3-6'5-6'9-6'9-6'8 with athletes, we're going to have a good defense (especially if we are able to occasionally shift Copeland to shooting guard)
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