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Post by TBird41 on Mar 12, 2017 18:33:53 GMT -5
The assistant from Washington has the profile that I'm looking for, but it's such a losing culture that I would shy away from it. Kevin Keatts seems OK to me. He's taken his team to back to back NCAAs and presumably could recruit higher ranked players to G-Town. Profile wise -- I'd like someone like Kevin Broadus ... without the significant lapses in judgment. I would look to the ranks of top assistant coaches and recruits from programs like UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Louisville and Duke ... hopefully someone with ties to the DMV. On the current staff, I suppose Solomon is a potential candidate, but he certainly didn't have an impact this season. I would shy away from anyone connected to Thompson coaching regime. I think Ewing is a terrible idea and would be a Clyde Drexler @ Houston type of disaster. Thanks for a thoughtful post -- and here is my concern (and I'd move on despite this concern). I think these are reasonable. I agree that Ewing would be a disaster. I have no interest in anyone in the Georgetown family at this time. But Keatts is coaching at UNC Wilmington. And a Romar assistant? I guess they can recruit, but they never win anything because his staff can't coach at all. Broadus is a heckuva recruiter but I suspect he's not bringing too much more than that either. I think you have to go assistant from a top program. Go young, go a bit risky, but go with someone mentored by a good COACH not just a good recruiter. Get me an Izzo assistant or something like that. Keatts was an assistant at Louisville for 3 years under Pitino and was head coach at Hargrave Academy before that. He's got the recruiting bonifides, the coaching pedigree and shown he can lead a team / coach basketball. Honestly, we are really lucky in that the year we need a new head coach, most of the comparable / better programs aren't looking, except for maybe Indiana. Obviously, we have drawbacks, but I'd rather be head coach of Georgetown than head coach of NC State or Clemson. I'd be worried about an assistant because you have no idea if they can lead a program. Can they build / create a culture of winning? They've never had to do that, since it was already there at the program they were at. It seems like assistants almost always fail when they get hired as power conference head coaches, unless they are taking over a good situation. I think Collins at Northwestern and Wojo are the most successful assistants to get hired directly in recent memory. Most seem to fail, like Esherick or Johnny Dawkins.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 10, 2017 10:48:06 GMT -5
You don't have to like Wojo to recognize that Marquette is currently on a better trajectory than we are. They have improved in each of Wojo's three seasons and are on track to either squeak into the NCAAs or be just out this year. He has also recruited pretty well to Milwaukee and, as others have pointed out, his teams play with energy and passion. Wojo is also a pretty shining example of how you can have a "good" coaching search outcome without just immediately having some sort of spectacular result. He was hired and struggled in his first season but has been competitive in the last two. For those who focus on risk, Wojo's run is an example that a team can move on successfully. For what it's worth, I also think that even with our faults, Georgetown is a far better job than the Marquette job. This doesn't mean we should make a change based on what Marquette is doing. For example, I don't see yet that Wojo is going to build them into a BE championship contender year in and year out like many fans want for us. But I would take their season over ours for sure. I think there's a lot to be said for hiring a current head coach, rather than an assistant, unless you are a coaching factory like Butler, VCU or Xavier (and those assistants have the advantage of stepping into a successful program that they are already a big part of). The problem with hiring assistants is that they need time to learn how to run the program and it's really hard to evaluate what's them and what's their boss. I know Wisconsin's head coach was never a head coach anywhere else, although he also had the advantage of taking over a program that was already built and that he was a big part of building. Honestly, I'm struggling to think of a successful power conference coach that wasn't a head coach somewhere else first and wasn't an internal hire. Wojo might be the best example at the moment.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 10, 2017 10:33:42 GMT -5
Think I'm going down to the well tonight And I'm going to drink till I get my fill And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it But I probably will Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture A little of the glory of, well time slips away And leaves you with nothing mister but Boring stories of Glory days ... Man, thanks for digging that one up and using it against me; one of my favorite Springsteen tunes. The problem is, though, sometimes that place is the only place to go to find some solace. Wasn't that what the Boss was trying to say also? I'm not from New Jersey and I was one year old when that song came out, so I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it. I'm just sick of everyone pining about the good old days that happened before I got to kindergarten. Every year, it's the same old "sweater game" "people feared us" "real toughness" blah blah blah blah blah. Isn't this great, its just like the 1980s!! Sure whatever, I was two. Seriously. I'm 33 years old. I'm not exactly young. Chris Mullin and Patrick Ewing have been retired for almost half of my life and for the entirety of the time I was paying attention to basketball. The kids we are recruiting were born after they retired. You might as well be talking about George Mikan at DePaul.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2017 15:23:42 GMT -5
I agree with this assessment. At the end of the day if Jagan tops out at either player, I'd be pretty satisfied. Unfortunately, the game has changed so much over the past 3 years that Mosley is going to have to be a lot better than either Jabril or Sapp if he can be expected to help us next year. You can't be an effective PG in today's game if you can't shot 3's at over 40% as well as dribble penetrate and score. Sapp never could and it took Jabril 4 years and a broken jaw to learn to shoot 3's. Sapp shot 41.1% from three as a junior (on 151 attempts) and 38.7% as senior after shooting 20.5% as a freshman and 29.6% as a sophomore. His stats from junior year would have been good for 11th in this year's Big East in three pointers made and attempted and 3rd in three point field goal percentage. Pryor and Markus Howard were the only players in the Big East to make more than 40% of their three pointers this year. Mosely could definitely make the same kind of improvements as Sapp and Trawick. Heck, LJ Peak jumped from 24.6% as a freshman to 40.9% as a sophomore.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2017 14:20:08 GMT -5
Think I'm going down to the well tonight And I'm going to drink till I get my fill And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it But I probably will Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture A little of the glory of, well time slips away And leaves you with nothing mister but Boring stories of Glory days ...
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2017 12:26:58 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what." The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year? Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted. With the new CBA, the nbdl is a whole lot more attractive now.. NBA teams will have 2 extra roster spots for call ups.. fansided.com/2016/12/23/nba-cba-dleague-salary-contracts/Are the undrafted guys going to be the ones on two way contracts? Probably not. Those will either be 1st round picks or veterans. The undrafted guys will still be the ones making $20K.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2017 10:16:43 GMT -5
Why are we so sure Peak is leaving? I feel like we all assumed he was gone at the beginning of the season because we thought he'd put together a season that would get him drafted. And even though he didn't do that, we've sort of just transformed our assumptions from "will leave if can be drafted" to "will leave no matter what."
The D-League doesn't pay that well, and Europe is a good way to end his NBA aspirations. Why would he leave at this point when his best path to the NBA is to put together his shooting from last year and his attacking game from this year and have a dominant season at Georgetown next year?
Of course, I expect him to declare for the draft, because there is no downside now that they've moved the withdrawal date back, but I'd expect him to come back if he doesn't expect to get drafted.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 2, 2017 18:52:13 GMT -5
Since we don't have a poll feature here, I thought I'd get a thread going to see who here has taken action to aid in the movement for change. I'm not talking about incessant blathering on our fine forum here. I have also incessant blathered on casualhoya, twitter and various group texts. Not facebook though. That's a waste of time
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 1, 2017 12:24:23 GMT -5
Brian Snow @bsnowscout 3h3 hours ago .@goodmanespn Other issue is, no good candidate would go to G'town because "Big John would do everything he could to screw me at every turn" Brian Snow @bsnowscout paranoia_hoya I don't know if it'd be true or not, but it is what coaches in the industry think, so the perception IS reality here This is absolutely terrifying if this is remotely true. I've never felt so at a loss about this program in my life.... Honestly, what would be the worry here? Is JT2 going to run down the program to recruits? Does he still have sway with the AAU coaches and high school coaches? Can he screw with the Nike contract? Is it just ranting to boosters and making noise in the media if/when the coach struggles/has a bad loss? I'm kind of at a loss, other than the last one, about what kind of clout JT2 still has.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 28, 2017 21:59:46 GMT -5
Keatts coached at L'Ville, which means we'd also get the press everyone wants so badly (they're 50th in creating turnovers) Keats is going to be in high demand. Look at his 3 years at UNC Wilmington. Each year is better and better. School record wins this year. He will get to choose where he goes. We're a very good destination, and other than maybe Indiana (if it comes open) would be the clear choice for any coach this year. You can win a title here. I don't think that's true of any of the other jobs coming open this offseason, other than maybe Indiana, and there are good reasons to come here over Indiana (although obviously there are very good reasons to pick Indiana). It's probably all moot however.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 28, 2017 17:21:28 GMT -5
Kind of hoping UNC-W loses early in tourney and we can pluck that head coach. They have the lowest turnover rate in the country. Man that would be nice to see. Keatts coached at L'Ville, which means we'd also get the press everyone wants so badly (they're 50th in creating turnovers)
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 27, 2017 15:32:54 GMT -5
He would qualify as one of the most versatile, high caliber offensive players in the history of the program. An oversight by giga, perhaps, but his point does still stand... So giga's point is basically that an offense works well with good players. Show me an offense that works with 3-4 guys in every lineup that cannot shoot? Also, we are not running the same offense that we ran in 2007, for example, when it truly was a lot more like a Princeton offense. And don't tell me that's outdated because it was 10 years ago. Give me that Final Four team all over again, and they'd still be able to crush mostly everybody. Perhaps the coach should recruit more players that can shoot / are good at offense. It seems even the ones he targeted solely for their shooting weren't particularly good at it.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 27, 2017 15:01:13 GMT -5
He would qualify as one of the most versatile, high caliber offensive players in the history of the program. An oversight by giga, perhaps, but his point does still stand... Actually, Giga was right to leave out Otto, in that our offense didn't really work when we were running it through him. It was ranked 80th in KenPom in 2013 (and it was 43rd in 2012). We won in 2013 because of our defense.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 23, 2017 12:51:15 GMT -5
I don't think for a moment that the plan was for Jessie to shoot a three. Our best player, LJ, had the ball. Jessie set a screen. Depaul wisely doubled LJ out of the screen;he was forced to give it up, and passed to Jessie, who had drifted to the 3-point line, but still had time to start toward the hoop. Nothing wrong with that play. The defense on the last play was depressingly bad, both in scheme and in execution. Agreed. I think Govan might actually be more comfortable shooting from behind the arc than from the elbow as well, so when he popped, he went to a spot he was comfortable with and that would give him some extra room to get a shot off. Honestly, I'm still shocked he airballed it.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 23, 2017 10:46:30 GMT -5
Maybe we can get Tubby Smith. If you're going to fire JT3, do the coaching search right. As you said, there is so much going for this program that we will be able to hire a really good up and coming coach. They aren't going to turn us down to wait for a better job. Hire a search firm and interview candidates that look like they can be the next John Thompson (Jr. or III). Go find the next Jay Wright. Kevin Keatts looks like he'd be a fantastic hire. Wade from VCU and King Rice from Monmouth both look like they could be great hires. There are probably other really good candidates that I don't know about. Look at what little Pitino has done at Minnesota after one year of being HC at FIU. Maybe there's another quality head coach like him who just hasn't proven himself yet. Or maybe there's an assistant at Kansas or Arizona that can be the next Chris Collins (on principle, lets avoid Duke assistants though). Just don't settle for someone that's JT3 without the name. Someone who we know the upside of. That's how you get Kevin Stallings at Pitt or Steve Lavin at St. Johns--we can't hire anyone good enough with major head coaching experience that is worth hiring. I was responding to how this realistically will work out, not how I WANT this to work out. Personally, I want all the things you wrote and I actually like Wade for the job. However, do not be naive and believe the Thompsons will not be nasty throughout this entire process and undermine the search at every turn. It takes a strong-headed candidate to get through that process. I do not see an in-demand, young coach wanting to deal with it. Fair enough.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 23, 2017 10:21:29 GMT -5
So what happens next?So let's just clear the elephant from the room right off the bat. Based on credentials, JTIII should be gone after this season. Now, it seems to me that currently the Georgetown brand still carries quite a lot of weight in college basketball circles. We are still mentioned by elite recruits, still have a whole host of NBA players (ex + current), and analysts still chat us up. With that being said, to continue on par I think for another 5ish years could potential ruin that brand for forevermore. I was just a toddler at the time that Esherick was fired, and was like 10 when JTIII was hired. So for you oldies, what happens next? Is a mass exodus of players a sure thing? Do we lose our current recruits? If we get a big-name Coach can we perhaps salvage a tourney bid in the next 2-3 years? Or is this going to be a massive overhaul? About coaches, and realizing our brand is being diluted, do you go after one of the biggest names you can get, or do you try and hire a young upstart who has the fire to succeed at all costs? I just can't seem to predict what could happen as I have no experience. Would love to hear yall's thoughts. To be clear, I do not believe III will be fired until the end of next season, when he inevitably fails to get his players to be a cohesive unit that plays with the intensity required to win in major CBB. However, I do think this job is very attractive. We have a brand new facility (signal of investment), we pay well (another signal of investment), a fertile recruiting ground (means and opportunity to win), a solid conference (visibility) and a brand that coaches and players will at least allow in the room to make our pitch. That would be enough to lure a good coach. Unfortunately, I do think this job would have to go to a retread, mature coach simply because you have to deal with the baggage of following the Thompsons. I think it has to be someone that the elder Thompson cannot easily dismiss as too young, unproven or critique as the latest trendy mid-major coach. Someone that has worn out their welcome and in need of change of scenery is the likely candidate. My quickest comparable would be Jamie Dixon last year at Pitt. He never was a bad coach at Pitt, but it was time for everyone to move on. He would have the maturity and the record to follow the Thompsons. I just do not see a young, mid-major coach being able to do that unless they were somehow in good graces already with the Thompsons. Not knowing anyone like that, leads me down the path of an older coach with a solid history. Maybe even a once very good coach who does not mind building a bridge for 5 years to his favored assistant. Maybe we can get Tubby Smith. If you're going to fire JT3, do the coaching search right. As you said, there is so much going for this program that we will be able to hire a really good up and coming coach. They aren't going to turn us down to wait for a better job. Hire a search firm and interview candidates that look like they can be the next John Thompson (Jr. or III). Go find the next Jay Wright. Kevin Keatts looks like he'd be a fantastic hire. Wade from VCU and King Rice from Monmouth both look like they could be great hires. There are probably other really good candidates that I don't know about. Look at what little Pitino has done at Minnesota after one year of being HC at FIU. Maybe there's another quality head coach like him who just hasn't proven himself yet. Or maybe there's an assistant at Kansas or Arizona that can be the next Chris Collins (on principle, lets avoid Duke assistants though). Just don't settle for someone that's JT3 without the name. Someone who we know the upside of. That's how you get Kevin Stallings at Pitt or Steve Lavin at St. Johns--we can't hire anyone good enough with major head coaching experience that is worth hiring.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 23, 2017 10:10:52 GMT -5
National champion coach was hired from Hofstra. Young and hungry is better than a retread I wouldn't call Crean a retread. Crean has three more NCAA wins than JT3. He has never won a conference tournament. He's missed the tournament twice in the past four years. He's not a horrible coach, but I think after nine years at Indiana it's pretty clear what Crean's upside is.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 23, 2017 0:42:58 GMT -5
There isn't anything to forget about Crean, because there isn't much to remember about him. Other coaches have beaten Kentucky too in the tournament. Crean has talented teams that fail to live up to expectations at IU. Outside of the final four with Dwyane Wade, never made a sweet sixteen with Marquette. Before these past 2 years, III suffered from a similar problem people. Crean isn't going to take us to where Wright has taken Villanova or what Ryan did at Wisconsin. If we let go of III, that should be the next step. Not more of the same with Crean. You are way off base here with this one way. I'm surprised as you always seem to take a fair approach. Crean would be a godsend for this program. We are now talking about bringing in someone from Monmouth as the savior. National champion coach was hired from Hofstra. Young and hungry is better than a retread
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 22, 2017 16:35:07 GMT -5
We don't play defense well enough to press, unless we are in desperation mode (don't get me started) or we are playing a weak team like USC Upstate. Maybe coach for some reason believed our defensive abilities are stronger than they really are (that is on him, although an evaluation issue rather than a strategic one). While it is certainly on the coach and his staff to improve the players' fundamentals and techniques, the coach also has to realize what his team is capable of - and what they are not. Our attempts to pressure good teams have been generally been shredded. And we have such razor thin margins for any success, we can't stubbornly stick to prior plans or expectations for very long when they clearly aren't working. This, exactly. I am not saying you don't try change or stick with it, but there is nothing to be gained from forcing a press that isn't remotely effective and kills us on defense. This group is not a good group of defenders, and they are not good enough to play a press for any substantial period of time. Every time we use it against a semi-skilled opponent, it gets shredded, we rarely get turnovers, and the added fouls and eventual free throws more than outweigh the handful of turnovers we occasionally get. I am not saying a press cannot work in college basketball, but doing it with this group isn't going to work in most circumstances. "Abandoning" it in such a situation seems like the smart decision to me. Can you explain to me why JT3 thought he could install a press as his main defense if the personnel were so obviously ill-suited to it?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 21, 2017 17:33:44 GMT -5
Same detail - The Clippers are trying to acquire a small forward without giving up one of their four core players and ESPN’s Zach Lowe reports that Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford aren’t drawing much interest from opposing teams. The franchise called the Wizards trying to bring Otto Porter to Los Angeles, but Washington was disinterested in engaging in trade talks. Also - The Pelicans were widely praised for their trade for DeMarcus Cousins this week, but even though the acquisition cost for the All-NBA center wasn’t exorbitant, New Orleans’ roster looks a little unbalanced in the wake of the deal. Having sent Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, and Langston Galloway to Sacramento in the swap, the Pelicans will now be looking to fortify their backcourt, and will audition several free agent guards this week, per ESPN’s Marc Stein (Twitter link). According to Stein (via Twitter), the group of guards working out for New Orleans this week includes Mario Chalmers, Hollis Thompson, Quinn Cook, and Reggie Williams. All of those players except Chalmers are currently on D-League teams, but aren’t under contract with the affiliated NBA club, making them free agents. Good luck to Hollis. Fair and away the best shooter of the players listed, something New Orleans needs to give Boogie & the Brow some room to operate
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