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Post by 1984alloveragain on Jul 4, 2007 11:17:46 GMT -5
Greg Monroe has GOT to come here... There's TOO many potential nicknames we could have for him having ties to American history; D.C., and his home state: The MONROE Doctrine, The Louisiana Purchase, Gregory The Great, wait, that's Catholic, not American... Still works for me
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 4, 2007 13:59:43 GMT -5
Greg Monroe has GOT to come here... There's TOO many potential nicknames we could have for him having ties to American history; D.C., and his home state: The MONROE Doctrine, The Louisiana Purchase, Gregory The Great, wait, that's Catholic, not American... Still works for me hmmmm.... NCAA Rules being what they are, maybe "The Louisiana Purchase" isn't the best choice. Gregory the Great seems tad obscure. But The Monroe Doctrine, now that has potential! Happy 4th of July!!
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 11, 2007 22:10:04 GMT -5
Just wanted to give a little update on Jakub K. I know some of you don’t believe it, but the Hoyas are really looking at him seriously. They scouted him at the Adidas It Takes 5ive last week and were pleased with his performance. All they need is for Jakub to be able to rebound and play defense with plenty of minutes by his sophomore season, when Roy is gone. And they’re very pleased with his passing ability and greatly improved conditioning. I wish I could divulge everything I know, but I can’t.
Also, I am told that Syracuse and South Florida are in the process of setting up workouts with Jakub. Boeheim himself is in contact with his coaches. So, while some on this board may scoff at the idea, apparently some Big East coaches see enough potential in him.
Regarding Greg Monroe, it may be wishful thinking but I think we have a good chance of landing him. But, from the few videos I've seen, I think he plays more like a PF than a center. And judging from what I've read, I think he won't come to Georgetown unless he's given assurances that he will play primarily PF, because I think that's what he sees himself as in the NBA. So, even if we do get Monroe, I still think we need a center. That helps Jakub’s chances with us.
As for Michael Dunigan, I’m a bit puzzled by all the speculation. I read that it’s down to Oregon and the Hoyas, with FoxSports reporting it’ll be Oregon. I think he and his mom would really like him to come to Georgetown, but I’m not so sure how serious we really, really are. Scout claims we've offered, but Rivals does not. And, to my knowledge, Dunigan himself has never said we've offered. (I don’t discount Hoya buzz from the DePaul contact, but I think that’s coming from the Dunigan camp rather than the Hoya coaches) So, if Rivals is correct, why haven’t we offered? I think Dunigan wants to play as a SF or a PF, and I don’t see him big/strong enough to be a true center in the big east. I think that’s hurting his chances with us, because we have a glut at the SF/PF positions. We need one of our 08 scholarships to go for a center, and I think it’s being earmarked as such (or may be held for 09), and I think the other is being held for Monroe. Again, that’s just my speculation based on what I’ve read..
As for Gus Gilchrest, I agree with those that say Gilchrest is too short to effectively play center in the Big East. I think he’s a PF in the big east, unless he grows a couple of inches. I read his quote about really liking us, but I’m not sure that’s being reciprocated because of our SF/PF glut.
So, with Jamison Morgan apparently no longer having us on his list (according to Dave Telep), and with John Riek Suas currently not available til 09, I believe Jakub’s chances are greatly improved to fill the void at the 5 spot that we will have in 08.
And I say void in 08 because I see Vernon Macklin as more of a PF in the Big East, though I'm sure he would play center if needed or as a backup. But, I just don't see him being big/strong enough to effectively play center in the Big East.
I also don't see Henry Sims (too skinny) or Chris Braswell (too short) as being big enough to effectively play center in the Big East. I also see them more of a PF in the Big East, though I'm sure they too would play center if needed or as backups.
Oh, and to continue my speculation, somewhere in the back of my mind I think that John Riek Suas would like to reclassify to 07/08 so he can come to us. Or is that just wishful thinking?
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Post by RDF on Jul 11, 2007 23:30:08 GMT -5
Skin, some of this is just WAY, WAY OFF.
1. Dunigan is a POST PLAYER and WANTS to be a Center. He has no desire to be a SF or PF.
2. Greg Monroe is being recruited as more of a hybrid SF/PF with emphasis he can play all over-ala Jeff Green. Nobody has ever mentioned the Center position with him and in our offense--there is the ability to showcase your total game.
3. Henry Sims mentioned tonight on MDVarsity that he's up to 6'11 228 and will play "forward, with Chris Braswell manning the post".
4. Dunigan has been quoted several times mentioning Georgetown as one of his most aggressive suitors.
5. III is going to take the best PLAYER he can get--not focused on a position. If you get 4 kids 6'8 or taller, you are big enough in CBB--Florida had one traditional Center in Speights and the rest of their frontline were all PF types--Noah, Horford, Richard, and I would say they did quite well. Size only matters if you combine it with skill and if you add two more big frames to go with Braswell and Sims--you have plenty of size to compete in Big East or anywhere else. Roy Hibbert is a LUXURY--not the norm in basketball and this offense will be run a lot differently when Roy leaves then what you see now.
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 12, 2007 0:37:17 GMT -5
Skin, some of this is just WAY, WAY OFF. 1. Dunigan is a POST PLAYER and WANTS to be a Center. He has no desire to be a SF or PF. 2. Greg Monroe is being recruited as more of a hybrid SF/PF with emphasis he can play all over-ala Jeff Green. Nobody has ever mentioned the Center position with him and in our offense--there is the ability to showcase your total game. 3. Henry Sims mentioned tonight on MDVarsity that he's up to 6'11 228 and will play "forward, with Chris Braswell manning the post". 4. Dunigan has been quoted several times mentioning Georgetown as one of his most aggressive suitors. 5. III is going to take the best PLAYER he can get--not focused on a position. If you get 4 kids 6'8 or taller, you are big enough in CBB--Florida had one traditional Center in Speights and the rest of their frontline were all PF types--Noah, Horford, Richard, and I would say they did quite well. Size only matters if you combine it with skill and if you add two more big frames to go with Braswell and Sims--you have plenty of size to compete in Big East or anywhere else. Roy Hibbert is a LUXURY--not the norm in basketball and this offense will be run a lot differently when Roy leaves then what you see now. RDF, 1. Dunigan is a POST PLAYER in high school, but I read a Scout interview quoting him that he saw himself as a forward at the next level. He’s only 6’9”. I guess we’re not reading the same stuff. 2. As for Greg Monroe, I never said anyone was considering him for the Center position. Like Dunigan, he’s only 6’9”. What I said was that he was a PF, so that even if we get him, we still need a center. Please try to read my post carefully before you tell me I’m off the wall. 3. Hmmm??? I see nothing at all on MDVarsity about Henry Sims. Perhaps you can provide a link? Nevertheless, like I said, Sims is more of a forward, so if he said so at MDVarsity, it merely confirms what I said in my post. As for Chris Braswell manning the post, I don’t know what the coaches have in mind, but my post did say he could play center if needed or as a backup. That doesn’t change my opinion that Chris Braswell, at 6’8”, is too short to effectively play center in the Big East. Ditto about reading my post more carefully. 4. As for Dunigan being “quoted several times mentioning Georgetown as one of his most aggressive suitors”, then why haven’t we offered? ? Why hasn’t HE said we’ve offered? ?? 5. I can’t respond to your last point, as it’s a bit scattered. But you’re entitled to your opinion.
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 12, 2007 0:42:23 GMT -5
Oh, and yes, you can play center at 6'8" or 6'9", especially if you have the width or strength of a Mike Sweetney. But, IMO, none of the players mentioned above have the size or strength to be effective in the BEAST.
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Post by RDF on Jul 12, 2007 0:58:03 GMT -5
From Hoops Report's recap of the Nike Lebron James Camp Invitational: 1. Michael Dunigan 6'9 253 is a big, intimidating post man that blocks shots like he's mad at somebody. Physically overpowers his opponents and effects the game by scoring, rebounding, and defending. Went up against Samardo Samuels Saturday night and more then held his own, while even showing a soft touch by knocking down some short and mid range jumpers. Although he gets plenty of points (mostly on dunks) by overpowering opponents inside, he's still raw offensively and needs to add skill/finesse to his offensive game. Mostly a back to basket player. 2. Greg Monroe--who by the way mentioned Georgetown first again when asked to name schools, was listed at 6'10 233 lbs. 3. If you are a HS player and are 6'9 250+ and 6'10 233lbs that is plenty big enough to play on frontline. Throw in Braswell and Sims at 6'9 and 6'11 and you have a huge frontline. (I'm not saying we're landing Dunigan and Monroe but it's possible) 4. Henry Sims note is on the message board and update from ROCK LEAGUE from TT Quinn. Mentions the interview will be up next week and the board is free--so it's there for you to read. Henry mentioned that according to Quinn in quotes--so that's what I'm going by. Also listed his new measurements at 6'11 228. 5. Dunigan updates on Scout I'm unable to read have said repeatedly that Georgetown was one of the most aggressive teams recruiting him--click on his profile and read the updates with his quotes. They also have him listed with an offer. I don't know who the staff has offered and who they haven't but neither do most--Greg Monroe is still listed by Scout as not being offered by Georgetown and we know that's not the case. Monroe never mentions if he's been offered or not. Most kids don't list schools that are not offering a scholarship. 6. My info on Dunigan comes from a source close to him and I have been on this far before anyone--everything I mentioned and was told has been proven to be true as well. 7. What's scattered about telling you how Georgetown targets recruits? Skill is important to that and you've mentioned how Jakub has impressed with his passing--well that is likely why they are intrigued by him--he's a huge kid and if he can pass--that is something special that most can't do. I'm just saying, you will not see III and Hoyas just recruit 7'0 players for sake of being "Big". They want people who can play and have some skill or potential to develop--and everyone they are talking to falls under that category including Jakub. I'm just tired of hearing this bullcrap about "needing 7'0's". Why? The program needs to keep getting kids focused on playing within a team structure and that are skilled/versatile. This offense is one that puts you on spots on the floor you might initially not feel as comfortable. Most of your 7'0 players can't do what Roy Hibbert does in terms of being up top, having ability to pass, take his man off dribble--which we've seen time to time, and handling ball. He can also shoot it from outside--which we've seen. Few players his size in the WORLD can do that--so it's not a given we need guys to be "Tall Centers". Hope that clears it up and isn't "scattered". Again--if 6'9 253 and 6'10 233 aren't big enough for the frontline, I don't know what is.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 12, 2007 1:19:23 GMT -5
I love 7'ers, personally. I think the fact that a 6'9" guy has to leave his feet to alter shots a 7' can without doing anything but lifting his arms is HUGE.
That said, the Big East has had many, many successful 6'8" centers. And 6'9", 250 lb centers with a big wingspan aren't lacking. I think height can be somewhat overrated in college because it is so vital in the pros where the talent is very concentrated (esp. in guards -- who cares if your point is 6'5"? He's not posting anyone anyway).
So I can understand wanting a 7'er. And if Jakub is more Roy than Chief Kickingstallionsims, I can understand the emphasis. 7'4" is 7'4". That's a defensive nightmare for teams who structure themselves around penetrating guards. But you can win a National Title with a 6'8" center.
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 12, 2007 1:47:52 GMT -5
From Hoops Report's recap of the Nike Lebron James Camp Invitational: 1. Michael Dunigan 6'9 253 is a big, intimidating post man that blocks shots like he's mad at somebody. Physically overpowers his opponents and effects the game by scoring, rebounding, and defending. Went up against Samardo Samuels Saturday night and more then held his own, while even showing a soft touch by knocking down some short and mid range jumpers. Although he gets plenty of points (mostly on dunks) by overpowering opponents inside, he's still raw offensively and needs to add skill/finesse to his offensive game. Mostly a back to basket player. 2. Greg Monroe--who by the way mentioned Georgetown first again when asked to name schools, was listed at 6'10 233 lbs. 3. If you are a HS player and are 6'9 250+ and 6'10 233lbs that is plenty big enough to play on frontline. Throw in Braswell and Sims at 6'9 and 6'11 and you have a huge frontline. (I'm not saying we're landing Dunigan and Monroe but it's possible) 4. Henry Sims note is on the message board and update from ROCK LEAGUE from TT Quinn. Mentions the interview will be up next week and the board is free--so it's there for you to read. Henry mentioned that according to Quinn in quotes--so that's what I'm going by. Also listed his new measurements at 6'11 228. 5. Dunigan updates on Scout I'm unable to read have said repeatedly that Georgetown was one of the most aggressive teams recruiting him--click on his profile and read the updates with his quotes. They also have him listed with an offer. I don't know who the staff has offered and who they haven't but neither do most--Greg Monroe is still listed by Scout as not being offered by Georgetown and we know that's not the case. Monroe never mentions if he's been offered or not. Most kids don't list schools that are not offering a scholarship. 6. My info on Dunigan comes from a source close to him and I have been on this far before anyone--everything I mentioned and was told has been proven to be true as well. 7. What's scattered about telling you how Georgetown targets recruits? Skill is important to that and you've mentioned how Jakub has impressed with his passing--well that is likely why they are intrigued by him--he's a huge kid and if he can pass--that is something special that most can't do. I'm just saying, you will not see III and Hoyas just recruit 7'0 players for sake of being "Big". They want people who can play and have some skill or potential to develop--and everyone they are talking to falls under that category including Jakub. I'm just tired of hearing this bullcrap about "needing 7'0's". Why? The program needs to keep getting kids focused on playing within a team structure and that are skilled/versatile. This offense is one that puts you on spots on the floor you might initially not feel as comfortable. Most of your 7'0 players can't do what Roy Hibbert does in terms of being up top, having ability to pass, take his man off dribble--which we've seen time to time, and handling ball. He can also shoot it from outside--which we've seen. Few players his size in the WORLD can do that--so it's not a given we need guys to be "Tall Centers". Hope that clears it up and isn't "scattered". Again--if 6'9 253 and 6'10 233 aren't big enough for the frontline, I don't know what is. Hmmm??? Nothing you've said differs from what I've said in my posts, or causes me to change what I said in my posts. Except that I might add that the reason Dunigan is "showing a soft touch by knocking down some short and mid range jumpers" is because he understands he needs to develop more of a forward game for the next level. That's what the Scout article said was his point of focus this summer. He's a smart kid; he understands he's not going to be a center in the league. He's planning ahead. RDF, aren't you the one who asked for an excerpt from Scout the other day, because you didn't have a subscription? As I recall, I wound up posting that Scout excerpt for you, so I can see how you wouldn't have picked up on Dunigan's interest in developing more of a forward game. You really aren't reading the same stuff I am. Look, I understand your point about smaller frontlines. On the other hand, there are sound reasons the Hoya coaching staff is looking at several seven footers, and that's no "bull crap". There are very good reasons they are not content with 6'8" or 6'9" frontlines. For one, seven footers change shots. But are they going to take a seven footer with poor skills? Of course not.
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Post by HoyaSkin on Jul 12, 2007 1:50:21 GMT -5
But you can win a National Title with a 6'8" center. Yep, as I recall Texas Western did so with Nevil Shed (6'8") and "Big Daddy" David Lattin (6'6") in 66.
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Post by uptownathlete on Jul 12, 2007 4:22:54 GMT -5
1966 and 2008 is a lot different...by all accounts.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 12, 2007 9:33:38 GMT -5
Lonny Baxter was about 6'6". Duke was pretty good with a 6'8" Shelden Williams, though they didn't win.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 12, 2007 10:27:54 GMT -5
Lonny Baxter was about 6'6". Duke was pretty good with a 6'8" Shelden Williams, though they didn't win. But they did win with Boozer who is less than 6'8. Anyway I think we're all on the same page here.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 12, 2007 12:39:08 GMT -5
I'm just tired of hearing this bullcrap about "needing 7'0's".
RDF, lic is going to come to your house and beat you up.
Anyway, I just want to add how much I appreciate the information posted on these types of threads. Even if the participants have minor disagreements, I think it's clear we all support the same goal.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 15, 2007 22:34:04 GMT -5
does having sims and braswell in the fold limit our ability to compete for monroe and dunigan? if we landed both ( huge if) going into the 08-09 season we'd have a front court of: Monroe, dunigan, sims, braswell, macklin and possibly summers as well. is there enough playing time there for everyone to be happy. If we landed those two i think we'd have the top class for 08. the #1 player another 5star in dunigan 2 more top 50 braswell and sims and a top 100 player in clark.
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Post by RDF on Jul 16, 2007 0:05:17 GMT -5
does having sims and braswell in the fold limit our ability to compete for monroe and dunigan? if we landed both ( huge if) going into the 08-09 season we'd have a front court of: Monroe, dunigan, sims, braswell, macklin and possibly summers as well. is there enough playing time there for everyone to be happy. If we landed those two i think we'd have the top class for 08. the #1 player another 5star in dunigan 2 more top 50 braswell and sims and a top 100 player in clark. Monroe is not worried about who's there--in fact the talent might attract him even more--although I think the style of play and unselfish play is what he'll like best--he's a fabulous passer. Dunigan--he'd bring some aspects this team doesn't have--as would other bigs we're looking at--more natural Centers, but Henry Sims is going to be a great player--just a matter of when and I believe Braswell can adapt to any situation--he just needs to get healthy. Clark will be many on this board's favorite player when they see him in actual games--he just does so many things well and is all about winning/team play. I stress and many are starting to see this in Summer--once Roy is gone, this style of play is going to change a bit--not that Roy can't excel in uptempo game--he can, but the talent this program will have fits more of an uptempo style and you'll see a need for more depth--but there is no such thing as "too much talent". Talent creates competition and competition is always good. If you can hang--you earn your time--if you can't--fight harder to get time.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 16, 2007 9:01:53 GMT -5
OK FOLKS BUT SEVEN FOOT IS SEVEN FOOT IE ROY PATRICK AND DEKE END OF STORY SEVEN FOOT OK ILL NOT COME TO YOUR HOUSE NUMBER ONE CAUSE I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHO YOU ARE AND TWO BECAUSE IM NONVIOLENT THREE BECASUE IM WEAK AND FOUR BECAUSE IM CHICKEN OTHERWISE WATCH OUT SEVEN FOOT IS.......... GO HOYAS
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Post by hoyaatwake on Jul 19, 2007 15:02:56 GMT -5
I've heard GU is interested in Reggie Johnson out of Winston Salem. He's going to be a solid HM prospect. He has a nice little inside game and his defense is solid. He's lost a lot of weight (something like 320 to 280), but is still a big boy, so an up-tempo style would not be for him. I think GU would be a good fit.
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Post by idhoya on Jul 19, 2007 16:47:17 GMT -5
There is a write up on i95ballerz.com on Reggie. Pleasant, gracious kid.
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Post by RDF on Jul 20, 2007 0:03:32 GMT -5
HUGE NEWS- from Scout
John Riek--the 7'2 CENTER (Happy Lic) has Georgetown listed with UConn, Duke, and Florida in Scout Database and all HAVE OFFERED. There is some talk/speculation of him re-classifying and being an '08 recruit and possibly even coming at Mid-Semester, ala Bill Walker who signed with Kansas State and joined the team in December.
Riek and Monroe are on all of the schools list above as targets and it's going to be an interesting recruitment to say the least. There is an update and HoyaSkin or others with Scout membership who can read it--can give some details on it, but I noticed this change in his profile on database and if it's wrong--then it's on Scout database and not me--but it's what I saw as of 5 minutes ago.
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