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Post by hoyastrong on Jun 5, 2007 12:30:03 GMT -5
I dont understand how our recruiting isn't always up near the top. georgetown is one of the best academic schools that regularly makes the tournament, the campus unbeatable, washington dc is arguably the most important city in the world, and we're getting beat out by shoddy academic schools like Suck U. in the middle-of-nowhere upstate new york? I know their long-run tradition maybe be a little stronger (debatable), but they didn't even make the tournament this year, and has anyone here ever been to syracuse? DE-pressing!!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 5, 2007 12:57:40 GMT -5
Cuse is getting Donte Green, who is an extremely skilled 6'9" guy. He won't be Kevin Durant but he's got a nice shot like him for a big guy. Because he's going to Cuse and has great perimeter skills, the Melo comparisons come up, but I'm not sure I see it.
Either way, he seems a bit soft to me at times.
Flynn is going to be one of the fastest, quickest players in college basketball last year. He's small and plays pretty small, but if we struggled to contain Scottie Reynolds on the drive...he'll blow by. Not sure how good his shot is; I suppose that'll be a big determinate of how good he is.
Scoop Jardine is a Philly PG, which pretty much describes him. I don't think he's as good as Chris but they are in the same conversation. Will be interesting to see with Devendorf and Paul Harris entrenched, what will Scoop do when he realizes he's sitting for two years?
Rick Jackson is a four star big man out of Philly. Personally, I haven't been impressed when I've seen him, but apparently he's a good shotblocker and rebounder.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 5, 2007 12:58:14 GMT -5
I dont understand how our recruiting isn't always up near the top. georgetown is one of the best academic schools that regularly makes the tournament, the campus unbeatable, washington dc is arguably the most important city in the world, and we're getting beat out by shoddy academic schools like Suck U. in the middle-of-nowhere upstate new york? I know their long-run tradition maybe be a little stronger (debatable), but they didn't even make the tournament this year, and has anyone here ever been to syracuse? DE-pressing!! Taking rankings a bit hard, aren't we? Our class -- whatever it actually ends up being -- is very, very good. Austin and Chris are incredible talents. If Omar and Nikita end up coming, they are both good talents that will develop here and give us some quality four year players.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jun 5, 2007 13:01:28 GMT -5
Thanks HSB (and others!)
hoyastrong, I think it has to do with a number of factors. On the legit side, there's athletic facilities & resources, course selection & difficulty, campus size and aesthetics, proximity to family and friends, weather, character and makeup of the student body, how a recruit gels with the coaches and players, the opportunities to play in a particular system & tradition, PT, etc. Plus, some people just don't want to be in DC, despite its awesomness.
On the cynical side, there's always the things that GU can't--and won't--"offer" recruits that other schools might.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2007 13:29:53 GMT -5
On the cynical side, there's always the things that GU can't--and won't--"offer" recruits that other schools might. Like the ability to graduate with a degree in Fingerpaint Technology.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Jun 5, 2007 13:44:30 GMT -5
One of many things I was thinking of On the cynical side, there's always the things that GU can't--and won't--"offer" recruits that other schools might. Like the ability to graduate with a degree in Fingerpaint Technology.
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Post by hoyastrong on Jun 5, 2007 13:45:41 GMT -5
I dont understand how our recruiting isn't always up near the top. georgetown is one of the best academic schools that regularly makes the tournament, the campus unbeatable, washington dc is arguably the most important city in the world, and we're getting beat out by shoddy academic schools like Suck U. in the middle-of-nowhere upstate new york? I know their long-run tradition maybe be a little stronger (debatable), but they didn't even make the tournament this year, and has anyone here ever been to syracuse? DE-pressing!! Taking rankings a bit hard, aren't we? Our class -- whatever it actually ends up being -- is very, very good. Austin and Chris are incredible talents. If Omar and Nikita end up coming, they are both good talents that will develop here and give us some quality four year players. Of course I don't wanna take anything away from the guys we have gotten and will be getting. I'm just saying its a little frustrating that these bigshot kids aren't CLAWING to get a spot on the hilltop with all we have to offer. Maybe our recruitng needs to be a little more proactive. Do everything we can to get these kids on campus, show them what life is like as a Hoya, I think we would really jump higher in these rankings if we did more of that (but maybe I'm not in the position to comment on the state of our recruiting techniques)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2007 13:50:25 GMT -5
Of course I don't wanna take anything away from the guys we have gotten and will be getting. I'm just saying its a little frustrating that these bigshot kids aren't CLAWING to get a spot on the hilltop with all we have to offer. Maybe our recruitng needs to be a little more proactive. Do everything we can to get these kids on campus, show them what life is like as a Hoya, I think we would really jump higher in these rankings if we did more of that (but maybe I'm not in the position to comment on the state of our recruiting techniques) I don't entirely disagree with you, but it's a matter of what these kids want. Some want to be in a big city. Others prefer small towns. Some want to get away from home. Some want to stay close to home. (And JT3 is KILLING on keeping the DC guys who want to stay close). Some want a challenging academic environment. Others want to go to Syracuse.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 5, 2007 16:03:55 GMT -5
Hoyastrong,
Our guys are fantastic recruiters. Three years ago this program was posting a losing record and had no future.
Regarding people "clawing" to be on the Hilltop, you should remember two things:
1) As good as we've been the last few years, many schools have been as good or better. Most offer better facilities. Few recruits really differentiate on academics (and some may be concerned about staying eligible at GU). Many want to stay close to their families. What kind of edge do we have over Florida? Duke?
2) You might want to think about timing. When the '05 class signed, JTIII hadn't coached a single game. When the '06 class committed, we had come off a nice NIT appearance, but an NIT appearance nonetheless.
When Austin Freeman verballed -- a Top 10/15 player, we had just come off that NIT appearance. We hadn't even made the NCAAs yet!
Only after our Sweet Sixteen did we see more commitments -- Chris Wright, Jason Clark and Chris Braswell committed. Wright and Braswell were Top 20 when they committed. Clark isn't ranked as high, but he's a great player.
We've only got one commit post-Final Four (Sims), because it's been, what, a month? Many of the programs we're competing with have recent national titles, streaks of ten years in the NCAAs, back to back national titles... We have two years of recent history.
Playing time is the #1 attraction for recruits. With Braswell, Sims, Freeman, Wright, Summers, Macklin, etc., we aren't lacking in talent. We're still targeting some top players, but otherwise we're freaking loaded.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that 1) your expectations are out of whack 2) you are severely underestimating our recruits 3) Recruiting as we have over the past few years given the success we've had is amazing.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jun 5, 2007 16:20:08 GMT -5
2) you are severely underestimating our recruits 3) Recruiting as we have over the past few years given the success we've had is amazing. Here, here. 2 above is the key. Focus on our team. Focus on who we have returning from last year, who's joining this coming year and who's slated to arrive in the years after. Good lord.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 5, 2007 17:44:45 GMT -5
Even back then, Austin mentioned that he chose GU because he saw the potential to win the NCAA Championship. The recruit with the #1 Basketball IQ comes to mind.
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Post by hoyastrong on Jun 5, 2007 20:27:36 GMT -5
hmm, I suppose I am living too much in the NOW to appreciate what was done THEN. as far as our current recruits, they look great and all but they haven't really done anything huge yet (although i fully expect them to). i suppose i just get a little frustrated when I see how not everybody loves GU as much as i do!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 6, 2007 8:39:40 GMT -5
"as far as our current recruits, they look great and all but they haven't really done anything huge yet (although i fully expect them to)."
I don't understand this. Whose recruits have done anything huge yet? No one has stepped on campus. Are you referring to our '05 and '06 recruits or our '07 and '08 recruits?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jun 6, 2007 9:01:26 GMT -5
"as far as our current recruits, they look great and all but they haven't really done anything huge yet (although i fully expect them to)." I don't understand this. Whose recruits have done anything huge yet? No one has stepped on campus. Are you referring to our '05 and '06 recruits or our '07 and '08 recruits? Agreed on all points. We can't even get Catholic nerds from private schools to agree to be clawing at Georgetown and we're supposed to be getting all the top basketball recruits? You're not going to be getting every major recruit but JTIII sure is trying, at least locally. Also the entire team the last two years (and next year) was recruited during down seasons as SF points out. I can't see how we can fault recruiting in any way at this point. There is no better DC recruiting force than JTIII, his staff (including the new staff), and JT.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 6, 2007 9:17:51 GMT -5
I think the ranking of recruits has also proven to be suspect at best. The way our recruits fit into our system and current personnel are most important. Cuse has a huge incoming class so they are ranked high. Uconn was in the same boat last year, how did that work out for them? If the kids stay all four which they won't at Uconn, it may play out well.
If we get the pieces to the puzzle which we seem to be getting, then we should be fine. Also, I love Gtown too. But let's admit, if you are looking for a college town feel (ex. Arizona, Florida, Indiana, etc.) or smokin basketball groupies (ex. Arizona, Carolina, UCLA, etc.) Gtown is not going to the top of your list. Get out of that Gtown bubble and think about what the average 17/18 year old stud basketball player is thinking and you can see why some guys would pass on Gtown.
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Post by hoyastrong on Jun 6, 2007 11:15:14 GMT -5
I'm just saying I'm frustrated by the OVERALL desire for players to want to go to schools like dook and suck u. rather than gtown. I'm not trying to discredit any of the recruits or coaches or current players, just venting my disapproval of the fact that not everyone loves georgetown as much as i do.
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