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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2007 15:30:01 GMT -5
Question for you guys!!
We have had several games that came down to the last minute. Can you remember any of them that we didn't win?? Thompson had the same results at Princeton. Any game that came down to the last minute or went into overtime, he won!!
Jerry
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 29, 2007 16:10:26 GMT -5
Sweet Sixteen versus Florida for one. There were quite a few freshman year, I think. But overall, I think he has a very good close and late record.
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Post by hifigator on May 29, 2007 16:19:06 GMT -5
Question for you guys!! We have had several games that came down to the last minute. Can you remember any of them that we didn't win?? Thompson had the same results at Princeton. Any game that came down to the last minute or went into overtime, he won!! Jerry That is a great measuring stick, and especially so on the road. We were certainly fortunate to pull a close one out against you guys in '06. And thinking back, that might singly distinguish the winning coach from the rest more than any stat. If you think back, most top teams in almost any era were the ones capable of pulling it out late or in overtime. Sure good teams will have their fair share of blowouts along the way, but it is those nail biters which determine your season more times than not. Ironically just two years ago, Billy D. was criticized as not much of a gameday coach. He was known as a good recruiter and known as a great game planner, but adjusting during the game and devising key plays at a critical juncture was not his strength. Along those same lines, I think back and it was guys like Anthony Roberson and Matt Walsh making late mistakes. Once he had guys like Green, Brewer and Humphrey in charge the mistakes vanished and success improved. I just wonder how much of that was coaching and how much of it was the talent of the individaul players? From my perspective I can only hope that a lot of it had to do with coaching. In any case, you are right in that III has a resume' of executing under the gun, and off the top of my head I can't think of anyone who has consistently done it any better, unless of course you count DOOK when they are getting their customary assistance from the stripes.
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Post by usafahoya on May 29, 2007 17:10:37 GMT -5
As far as recruiting I think the resources that Billy D has and the location make it an easier sell to recruits, especially when rcruiting kids outside of the DC Area. But with the talent right here in our backyard, JTIII does not have to stray too far to recruit. That being said, I would not trade JTIII for any other coach, especially any coach that uses hair gel.
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Post by lichoya68 on May 29, 2007 18:42:38 GMT -5
hes number one he will be one of the four coaches stadning in march at the alamo 20008 will be great and jt3 recruiting coaching psychology etc are one of the big reasons.. and people worried about assitant coaches and we did pretty good with the new ones huh whata you thinks NUMBER ONE GO JT3 AND THE 2008 HOYAS YES EYES YES ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Just Cos on May 29, 2007 22:31:29 GMT -5
How does III compare to Martin Lawerence in Rebound? Could III turn that team around like Martin did?
I would much rather have III as Georgetown's coach, but I don't understand how can anyone can put III above Billy D. Back to back championships, nuff said. That speaks for "right now" but hopefully that won't be true in the future.
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Post by DrumsGoBang on May 30, 2007 8:13:18 GMT -5
Mike Ditka
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Post by hifigator on May 30, 2007 11:02:53 GMT -5
As far as recruiting I think the resources that Billy D has and the location make it an easier sell to recruits, especially when rcruiting kids outside of the DC Area. But with the talent right here in our backyard, JTIII does not have to stray too far to recruit. That being said, I would not trade JTIII for any other coach, especially any coach that uses hair gel. I agree with you on the facilities. That was one of the major focuses which our AD Jeremy Foley addressed. Florida had the money and deserved to show the student athletes top notch facilites both to compete as well as practice in. First it was the football stadium. Then some of the secondary facilities like soccer and softball. Then they renovated the basketball facilities and added a multi-million dollar practice gym. Just this past season they finally addressed our aging baseball stadium and it is much nicer. Your point and his were both accurate. There is a wealth of talent in Florida and specifically south Florida. We also have a lot to off those athletes from northern states who might prefer our climate. Ironically we are now having the same problem which teams like Georgetown and Vanderbilt have battled for years. Our President, Bernie Machen has been very vocal on his intent to make Florida one of the top ten public Academic Institutions in the Country and much of the energy and focus has been in this direction. Accordingly we are having an increasing number of star recruits who simply can't come here because of academic requirements. Then they go to FSU, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Miami or somewhere else and we end up competing against them on the field. That has always been a bit of an irritant, but this academic push by Machen has exacerbated the problem dramatically. I think Georgetowm is in the same situation but to a greater degree. Yes, you have a lot of big cities relatively close by. And there is no coubt that there is a ton a talent in the inner cities, where some kids play ball literally 8 or 10 hours a day. Unfortunately the vast majority of these kids have sub par grades. Such is the life of a college basketball coach/recruiter.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2007 11:45:27 GMT -5
Sweet Sixteen versus Florida for one. There were quite a few freshman year, I think. But overall, I think he has a very good close and late record. You are right about Florida and I was actually thinking about this year and all of the oncs we pulled out toward the end of the year. However, it would be interesting to look at this. I suspect ath JT3 has a great record in extremely close games
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Post by hoyasexy on May 30, 2007 14:10:57 GMT -5
I have a friend who is close with one of the UNC players. When he talked to him about the Regional Final, the player's answer was simply that they were out-coached.
It might have been a bit of a back-handed compliment, deflecting blame from himself and his teammates, but a compliment nonetheless of the value of JT3.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 30, 2007 14:18:06 GMT -5
It definetly sounds like he was deflecting blame from himself. I mean JTIII had done a great job of getting us to buy into the system and having them not panic in crunch time. But I don't think we did anything particularly different against UNC than we did against any other teams. I didn't really see III make a big adjustment that caused us to win the game.
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Post by Whoya on May 30, 2007 16:50:48 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on May 30, 2007 20:27:41 GMT -5
JTIII vs. a Hurricane?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 30, 2007 20:58:40 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts:
1) III is a great coach and among the best. 2) From an objective standpoint, it's hard to call him the best at this point. 3) To say that Donovan (or anyone else) is "just a recruiter" is to misunderstand the job of a college basketball coach. Recruiting is over half the job and by far the most important duty. 4) JT III is recruiting at an amazing level right now and we will have great success is he continues to do so. 5) I have never seen a game in which III was outcoached or when his coaching maneuvers or lack thereof were a substantial factor in defeat. I'm not talking about Monday-morning QB garbage- I'm talking real mistakes. He is among the better game coaches around, and there are several games in which his game coaching was a major factor in victory. 6) We are lucky to have III and we won't retain him unless the administration rethinks the way that it views the Gtown basketball program.
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Post by DrumsGoBang on May 31, 2007 8:30:38 GMT -5
Full-size ditka. JTIII is better then mini-Ditka.
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Post by mrsixer123 on May 31, 2007 12:44:29 GMT -5
currently, he is the absolute best in the game!! we will have a title in the next 3 years......................................as long as he is treated with respect by the Admin via his new contract
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Post by hoyanick on May 31, 2007 13:49:39 GMT -5
!!ESPN is reporting that Florida's Donovan is going to coach the Orlando Magic!!
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 31, 2007 14:26:31 GMT -5
Believe me, Ditka SUCKED with the Saints!
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on May 31, 2007 16:10:04 GMT -5
Now that Donovan has left - there is no better college bball coach than JTIII - Donnovan beat him on a neutral court in a late game situation - now that he's gone I wish him the best in the NBA so we don't have to deal with his teams again.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 31, 2007 17:23:27 GMT -5
i think that's silly reasoning. Corey brewer hit an amazing shot to beat us. That had nothing to do with donovan's coaching or coaches lack there off.
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