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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Mar 26, 2007 15:52:38 GMT -5
Can somebody with ESPN Insider post the blurb from Bilas about the Jeff Green "travel" no-call (if it's short enough), or PM it (if it's not)? Gracias...
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Mar 26, 2007 16:03:56 GMT -5
Please PM this to me as well. Thanks!
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Post by casualhoya on Mar 26, 2007 16:06:13 GMT -5
Take a Walk to the Rulebook: I was in San Jose for the West Regional, so I watched the Georgetown-Vanderbilt game in the East Regional from afar. When Jeff Green hit the game-winning shot for the Hoyas, I did not believe that he traveled. When I heard different commentators from the different networks say with a great degree of certainty that Green had walked and the officials had missed it, I disagreed.
What Green did was a legal move and is, in fact, taught by many coaches. Green did a simple step-through move that is used in up-and-under moves and in the use of a hook shot, and is legal. I went to the Rule Book, to Rule 4, Article 66, Section 4(a), which states that once a player establishes his pivot foot, the pivot foot may leave the floor as long as it is not brought back to the floor before the ball is released. Green established his right foot as his pivot foot, pivoted, and went up for the shot off his left foot. All of that was completely legal under the rules.
It may have looked like a traveling violation to some, but it was not. When such a move is called as a travel, most coaches argue to the officials that it was a missed call.
The only argument regarding a violation that has any merit, in my judgment, is the view that Green moved his right pivot foot well before he got into his move. However, that was only visible super close-up and in slow motion. It was nearly impossible to see in real time.
I have heard some say the officials couldn't call a walk in that situation because the players are supposed to decide the outcome of the game that late in the game. I disagree. If Green had walked and it was called, the players would have decided it. But Green did not walk. What he did was a legal move under the rules. Not everyone, including me, knows the rules as well as they perhaps should, but the officials generally do. I think they got it right in the Georgetown-Vanderbilt game.
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Post by ExcitableBoy on Mar 26, 2007 16:12:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Casual.
Yet another reason to like Bilas--actual analysis coupled with a factual understanding of the rules, truly a novel idea.
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Mar 26, 2007 16:12:44 GMT -5
you are right that green did not walk. but for the wrong reason. i have posted 2 times already on this but they were lost in the unc hoopla. if you review the 5x magnification cbs tape, you will see what happened was shan foster inserted his left foot under greens right pivot foot when green was pivoting right. when green went to pivot back left, he put his heel back down, landing on fosters foot. foster yanked his foot away after it got stepped on causing green to move his right foot forward. this is not a travel as it was caused by the action of an opposing player. read more here and pass the truth along lest people forever claim our accomplishments this year are not legitimately earned. hoyatalk2.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1174705828&page=7
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Post by bmartin on Mar 26, 2007 16:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by YB on Mar 26, 2007 16:20:53 GMT -5
As usual, Bilas proves himself the most intelligent, well-reasoned, non-blathering commodity the 4-letter network has. I wanted to slap the UNC people giving him a hard time in that commercial!
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 26, 2007 16:23:42 GMT -5
I think the thing that is most convincing is that anyone who wants to argue that it was a walk only point to the video tape, saying that it looks like a walk. Those who, like Bilas, argue that it was not a walk look to the language of the rule.
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Post by hoyasexy on Mar 26, 2007 16:43:21 GMT -5
With the addition of one of them calling Gottlieb a "snot-nosed pretty boy [who] doesn't know crap." ;D I knew I loved officials.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 26, 2007 16:44:22 GMT -5
I am with you all on this one. I saw the play ad nauseum slowed down to frame by frame and if you analyze it long enough you could argue that he did move them both before officially establishing a true pivot foot. Then when he spun around for the shot, he would have traveled before the shot. It was an incredibly close play in any case, and to say anything otherwise is absurd. More importantly, I am sure that if you take it to that level of critique there were probably a half dozen of the very same moves by Vandy players. It was one of those calls that if the ref blew the whistle you would be upset and argue the other side, neither one having a legitimate argument.
The worst part was listening to the Sporting News Radio host on Saturday morning. I had to drive over to Daytona for a stereo show (roughly 2 hour drive). I swear he talked about the blown call by the refs at least 75% of the drive. It was ridiculous. I saw it as a non call, and therefore properly done by the refs.
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Post by hoyaatwake on Mar 26, 2007 16:46:23 GMT -5
Very good analysis
He's right on
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Post by mikehoya89 on Mar 26, 2007 21:48:01 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Bilas after his work throughout the year....He has the knowledge, passion and intelligence to be the main analyst for ESPN and/or CBS. I hope he teams with Nance after Packer finally calls it quits.
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Post by RDF on Mar 26, 2007 22:59:22 GMT -5
JB III strikes again!!! That's "OUR" guy!
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Mar 27, 2007 0:20:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, pash. Something to show my VU Dores co-worker who would not get off my case all damn day, even though I watched the game live and have seen that play maybe 30 times since, and he saw it ONCE on SportsCenter. No way a live-speed ref (much less a regular human being) has the ability to definitively call a travel. No one in the arena at the time thought it was a travel: not the Dores (or Heels or Trojans) fans, not the guys guarding Jeff, not the classy classy coach who's line--"I won't take away from the dignity of that shot"--should be a lesson to all current and future coaches.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 27, 2007 0:45:37 GMT -5
Now only if Bilas could get a handle on how long Green has been at G'town. Repeatedly he has said that Green is a soph, and I thought someone would have corrected him. This morning though, he once again said Green was a soph and that last year he wore dreadlocks. I've certainly blacked out a night, and an occasional weekend, but a whole year is a bit much...
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 27, 2007 22:59:35 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I asked the best ref in Las Vegas (HS and some college) about the call. Definitely the right call (or no call) he said. Nuff said.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 27, 2007 23:27:15 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I asked the best ref in Las Vegas (HS and some college) about the call. Definitely the right call (or no call) he said. Nuff said. Not that I dispute his conclusion, but I am not sure that a Ref in Las Vegas is exactly the best "expert witness." Note: yes, I do know that gambling on Nevada events is illegal, even in Las Vegas .... but I had to make a tiny joke on that one.
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Post by paranoia2 on Mar 28, 2007 0:07:54 GMT -5
How about Cory "Bleeping" Brewer in last year's sweet 16 when he was awarded a 3 point play on a play where it was either a A) TRAVELING VIOLATION or B) a FOUL ON THE FLOOR. Karma is a bitch and the man making the play (Brewer and Green) obviously gets the call late in NCAA tourney games. The lesson: Strike Hard, Strike First, No Mercy.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 28, 2007 7:25:22 GMT -5
agree about the brewer call and i used to call jeff jeff biased but i agree he now is fair and balanced and that aint just a tv ad slogan gohoyas
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 28, 2007 7:52:41 GMT -5
Bilas has always been the most fair and best studio analyst for ESPN by a long shot.
His in-game work with Rafferty has helped his color commentary enormously. He seems much more passionate and really gets into the game. You can actually hear the echoes of Rafferty when he calls a game and emphasizes a big play.
The fact that he loves Georgetown, and specifically Jeff Green's heady play, easily makes him the smartest ESPN has to offer as well.
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