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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Apr 20, 2004 20:51:00 GMT -5
Per Big Dog's very helpful suggestion, please post all press coverage of the JT III hire to this thread. Thanks to Big Dog for the idea and to the board members for your future cooperation.....WBH
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Post by Gold Hoya on Apr 20, 2004 21:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by watsonry on Apr 20, 2004 21:08:30 GMT -5
That article is utter bullsh*t....
If his name wasn't "John Thompson" people would be saying Georgetown made a great pick.
The pundits act like JTIII was given the job because his father was coach. I'm not saying his relation to Big John had nothing to do with the decision, but it is not like the guy was a high school assistant---he was a successful Division 1 head coach.....
I can hardly wait until JTIII proves all of these idiots wrong...
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Post by Gold Hoya on Apr 20, 2004 21:20:40 GMT -5
Main story from The Hoya. thehoya.com/news/042004/exclusive1.cfmMost interesting quote: “I was pretty impressed with the way he carried himself when he met with us,” Bowman said. “He knows everything, he has all the formulas of the winning coach, and [knows how] to make his team play for him. I think that's what we need the most, someone that we're going to play for hard every game, and that's what we're getting.”
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 20, 2004 21:30:27 GMT -5
I didn't get the same take on Wise's article. He does say that he does not know if Big John helped him personally by making a pitch or not. I thought his main point was that JT III will be under more pressure because of his father's legacy than if he was another up and coming young coach. The best thing I read in the article was Big John's statement that he would do all he could to help if asked. Great how about JT3 saying,"uh hey pops will you call Dikembe and BB and tell them to meet you at Aboya's house to discuss why Georgetown is the place for him to play BB and get his degree". I like Wise think JT3 could have gone to a lot of less pressurised situations, but I must admit I am excited about Georgetown basketball again and from the comments of Bowman so are the players.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 20, 2004 22:01:02 GMT -5
Main story from The Hoya. thehoya.com/news/042004/exclusive1.cfm[knows how] to make his team play for him. I think that's what we need the most, someone that we're going to play for hard every game, and that's what we're getting.”[/i][/color][/quote] Gold Hoya thanks. Obviously, that quote says even more about the former coach than the current one.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Apr 20, 2004 22:11:40 GMT -5
I think it also says alot about Brandon, that he wasn't giving his best effort on the floor last season.
That's inexcuseable. I don't care if you hate the coach. You're getting a full scholarship to play basketball. Give your best effort every day, every game.
Remarks like that are nauseating to me.
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Post by wildhoya on Apr 20, 2004 22:21:18 GMT -5
RE: Wise column
So, again with the "irrelevant." Pretty original, huh?
Maybe Post readers should give Mr. Wise time to see if he can come up with something original?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 20, 2004 23:57:23 GMT -5
Washington Times had THREE articles on the Hoyas. See below. Barker especially had some interesting comments and quotes -- as usual. Barker Davis www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040421-122823-5560r.htm<<The one thing you aren't likely to see from future Hoyas is the late-game chaos or player defections that defined the Esherick era. >> <<And unlike Esherick, who according to both past and present Hoyas had difficulty bonding with his squads, Thompson has the coveted reputation as being both a disciplinarian and a player's coach. "I didn't ever quite feel the chemistry with Coach Esherick. But I definitely felt it in just 10 minutes with Coach Thompson," said Georgetown sophomore forward Brandon Bowman, who nearly transferred from the Hilltop after a tumultuous freshman season. "You can just tell you're going to want to play for him. ... It's like being born again." >> Wright www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040420-114814-3911r.htmKNott www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040421-121055-1551r.htm
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Post by millerj9 on Apr 21, 2004 0:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by DCHoya on Apr 21, 2004 0:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by RaleighHoya on Apr 21, 2004 7:23:57 GMT -5
That article is utter bullsh*t.... If his name wasn't "John Thompson" people would be saying Georgetown made a great pick. The pundits act like JTIII was given the job because his father was coach. I'm not saying his relation to Big John had nothing to do with the decision, but it is not like the guy was a high school assistant---he was a successful Division 1 head coach..... I can hardly wait until JTIII proves all of these idiots wrong... I don't think he said it was a bad hire. I think he said that it is difficult to follow in his footsteps, especially at the school where he won a championship. He clearly states that his resume needed no help from his father. I also agree that in the 80's, facilities and TV deals did not mean as much to high school kids, and there was less of a commtiment needed from the University. Now, they need more help and there is no real indication that GU is ready to give that help to any coach.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 21, 2004 7:44:57 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 21, 2004 7:46:50 GMT -5
I totally agree with Joe Hoya's take on Brandon's comments: they make me sick. Playing hard should never be about a coach, situation, or particular game. Vigorous competition is the essence of athletics. Georgetown players need to bust their tails continuously to improve and succeed, let alone playing hard in game situations.
Brandon should be waking up at 5:30 AM and pushing himself to the point of exhaustion virtually every day in the offseason. He should be going to WAR until the last second of every practice, and then staying late to work on his game. And without question, he should play every minute of every game as if his life depended on it. To me, that is the bare minimum that I expect out of every Hoya player. The same would go for Ryan Beal and Kenny Izzo, even if they know that they might not see the floor all season. They should work like dogs to be the best players they can possibly be, so as to be better practice players and help their teammates improve.
We need guys who play the second half against Towson State or the losing end of being embarrassed by Seton Hall as it were the NCAA Championship game. They should do so not only because of a desparate desire to win, but also because they are insulted by the notion that their competitors could beat them. Then, when they do not reach the level of achievement that they desire, they should use that as motivation to improve in the future. That is what it means to be an athlete, and that is what it should mean to be a Hoya, irregardless of the coach or external circumstances.
I have the same expectations for our coaches: that they work tirelessly to do everything possible to help the team succeed. I know that Craig has issues getting along with certain players, and I do fault him for that, to a degree. Nonetheless, Craig competed as best he could until the end. Any players who did not do so has a lot to do to gain back my full respect, although I will still be cheering them on passionately. I hope that JT III motivates his players to put forth what I would deem an appropritate effort, and I hope that our players respond. Nonetheless, JT III's biggest challenge may be recruiting players who are both talented and self-motivated to work at an appropriate level.
I wish him luck.
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Post by Massholya on Apr 21, 2004 9:05:44 GMT -5
I totally agree with Joe Hoya's take on Brandon's comments: they make me sick. Playing hard should never be about a coach, situation, or particular game. Vigorous competition is the essence of athletics. Georgetown players need to bust their tails continuously to improve and succeed, let alone playing hard in game situations. Brandon should be waking up at 5:30 AM and pushing himself to the point of exhaustion virtually every day in the offseason. He should be going to WAR until the last second of every practice, and then staying late to work on his game. And without question, he should play every minute of every game as if his life depended on it. To me, that is the bare minimum that I expect out of every Hoya player. The same would go for Ryan Beal and Kenny Izzo, even if they know that they might not see the floor all season. They should work like dogs to be the best players they can possibly be, so as to be better practice players and help their teammates improve. We need guys who play the second half against Towson State or the losing end of being embarrassed by Seton Hall as it were the NCAA Championship game. They should do so not only because of a desparate desire to win, but also because they are insulted by the notion that their competitors could beat them. Then, when they do not reach the level of achievement that they desire, they should use that as motivation to improve in the future. That is what it means to be an athlete, and that is what it should mean to be a Hoya, irregardless of the coach" C'mon, get off your high horse. Name me one player like this. Believe me, I have played sports all my life and been around athletes and now dedicated professionals every day. What you're describing is the Platonic ideal of an athlete. Tell me, do you ever check your personal email or this chat board while you're at work? Because if you do, your own actions should make you nauseated. Athletes of all levels and accomplishments have had disagreements with their coaches and the bottom line is that it affects their performance and, believe it or not, their desire to compete. The premier athletes in any given sport are of course the ones who are not only physically gifted but also have focus and exceptional self-motivation that you allude to here. But please, take the self-righteousness elsewhere. Ultimately, these are 18-20 year old kids who are still learning the value of hard work. Whatever your personal feelings of Brandon Bowman are, it seems wrong to villify him for these comments when you have no insight into what exactly the relationship was between him and CE. I don't how many sports you have played in your life or what kind of work you do now, but I hope that you hold yourself up to all the same standards that you are imposing on this young man. Personally, I'm willing to give all these guys a second chance to show their metal under a coach I believe will give them the fundamentals they need to succeed; will push them to perform on the court and in the classroom; and perhaps most importantly will teach them how to motivate themselves (something our prior coach was apparently not very good at). After all, that is what coaching is all about. If athletes could do all the things you describe on their own, why would we need coaches at all?
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 21, 2004 9:13:47 GMT -5
So what, a coach has no responsibility to motivate his players? Do some do it better than others? Bowman didn't say he was tanking it, or not trying. Just that Esherick was a poor motivator. As was said, get off your high horse. Both of you.
It makes you sick that Bowman doesn't get up at 5:30 AM every day to run and lift? Ummm.... I'm sure he feels likewise. BB plays hard and he wants to win. That should be obvious to anyone.
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Post by angus on Apr 21, 2004 9:47:39 GMT -5
I never noticed a lack of effort from our leading scorer and rebounder last year.
What is "sickening" is the effort in this thread to take a quote totally out of context to bash the best player on our team so that some can continue to support our former coach. Please, let it go. You should be happy that Brandon is giving every indication that he is staying, unlike last summer, when he was giving every indication that he was leaving.
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Post by Massholya on Apr 21, 2004 9:58:55 GMT -5
Oops, I didn't get that quotation thing right. Sorry, the first 3 paragraphs are a quote and my 2 cents follows for whatever its worth.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 21, 2004 10:09:17 GMT -5
I'm not on any high horse, and my comments are directed toward Bowman and are not meant to be a commentary on Esherick at all. Even though I disagree with the sentiment that Esherick was a horrible motivator, I will concede that (despite any hard evidence) for the sake of argument. Fine. I still have the same expectations for Brandon and every other player that I mentioned above. You are correct to state that few players meet that ideal, but that doesn't mean that a lesser effort should be acceptable. If you want to have different expectations, fine, but mine are quite valid, and I feel that every player should at least come close to my ideal. I feel that some athletes do meet this type of ideal, and many of those are among the most successful in their fields.
I root hard for the Hoyas, and all I expect in return is their best effort. They could go 0-30, but if they were really doing everything they could to succeed, I would still be very proud of them. Despite my anger toward Bowman's attitude, I will never do anything but cheer with all of my heart for him. Nonetheless, I cannot condone his attitude and it is my right to speak out against that. I like Bowman, and I never saw him tank it at all last year, but the notion that he would play harder for one coach rather than another is very disturbing.
In high school I played for a coach who was an awful motivator and who had very poor relationships with numerous players. Some of those players played through that and still gave a legitimate effort; some used the coach as an excuse. That was not acceptable to me then, and it is not now.
I'm not going to hold a grudge against Bowman. I will remember this comment but move on as a fan. Still, it is surprising that so many people condone his attitude.
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Post by DonkDonk on Apr 21, 2004 10:17:11 GMT -5
On Around the Horn (what an awful show by the way), the decision was roundly panned as being trying to 'fit a square box into round hole' saying that Georgetown's athletes won't like the slowdown style of the Princeton offense. I don't understand this critique and believe it to be a superficial answer by sportswriters that probably don't have a real grasp of what the offense even is. It's kind of a narrow-minded response by these guys (whose practical college basketball IQs are miniscule anyways) that consistently see low scoring outputs from Princeton games and assume that it doesn't involve quickness and speed. There's way more to it. Also, I never thought 'having athletes' would detract from a team's ability to win a game and frankly I'm tired of the simplistic evaluations people make re: Georgetown and the players requiring a hurry-up and beat the other team down the floor. That's precisely what's shot us in the foot the past several years is that philosophy that we are ONLY that type of team to begin with. Wow, that's some rambling.
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