hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Mar 10, 2006 21:12:26 GMT -5
This has been a season long problem. Everytime a game is close at the end we can't score, and just need to hope the other team misses enough that we hold on.
I'd blame the players, but they aren't the type to create shots. Yet the staff keeps putting them in positions where they have to since we are starting the offense so late into the shot clock.
This is a major problem going forward and I don't believe the team can get to the next level until JTIII changes his late game strategy. We will have the same offensive limitations next years and things will need to change.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:21:00 GMT -5
we dont have an endgame strategy asit showed last year in the BET and same here... terrible get back D just unbelievable and depleting loss and this comment is with all sanity-i could deff see us having a let down loss in the first round of the tourny
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 10, 2006 21:24:22 GMT -5
Course, I could see us going to the Sweet Sixteen as well. This game really doesn't change my expectations in the tourney.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:25:09 GMT -5
it changes my mindset because now we are gonna be worried about this occurring again we got lucky against duke and syr finally did it to us
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 21:40:26 GMT -5
it changes my mindset because now we are gonna be worried about this occurring again we got lucky against duke and syr finally did it to us So you're saying that we got lucky against Duke... and ND (twice)... and Marquette... and Pitt... and every other close game we've won? The strategy works. But only if we can hit our free throws. Had we sped up the game and continued to attack without hitting our free throws, the end result would have been the same.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 10, 2006 21:44:09 GMT -5
it changes my mindset because now we are gonna be worried about this occurring again we got lucky against duke and syr finally did it to us So you're saying that we got lucky against Duke... and ND (twice)... and Marquette... and Pitt... and every other close game we've won? The strategy works. But only if we can hit our free throws. Had we sped up the game and continued to attack without hitting our free throws, the end result would have been the same. Or more likely, since we started stalling with 20 minutes left, we'd have actually scored some buckets and been well ahead. If you only have to play D for 10 seconds, and you know exactly which ten seconds...damn, that's easy.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:46:36 GMT -5
haha u wonna know my opinion ya we got lucky against duke at the end... we played terrible defensively down the stretch, ND game we just outtalented them, we lose to them somethings wrong, pitt ya we came back but had the big lead and gave it away but thats the usual for this team, and marquette nice win but had the many chances to blow it out, POOR EXECUTIONS and terrible mindsets
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Bahstin
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Post by Bahstin on Mar 10, 2006 21:48:41 GMT -5
And in that game against Cinci, there was that minute where we didn't score. Way to look on the bright side
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 10, 2006 21:51:29 GMT -5
While I too was frustrated by the continual waiting until 10 or less seconds were left on the clock before we looked for any kind of shot.......if we shoot 60% from the FT line, we win this game easily. Speeding up the game may have let us score more baskets, but it also would have given SU more possessions where they could have scored. The slow pace can work, but I just don't think we have the personnel to make it work on a consistent basis......mainly because many of our guys are inconsistent and we don't have the go-to guy who will take that big shot or drive it to the basket when we need it.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 21:54:23 GMT -5
The bottom line is this: no team can go 8 for 17 from the FT line employing ANY strategy and expect to win a hotly contested game (and yes, even when Cuse was down 15).
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:55:53 GMT -5
agree again with u there Rock we cant shoot free throws it got to the heads at the end to JG and roy... we got a terrible mental makeup almost the whole team it seems except BB
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 10, 2006 21:57:07 GMT -5
Highsmith and Rockaway - you are both dead right. The Hoyas hit a few more free throws and we are not having this discussion at all.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 21:58:19 GMT -5
perfectly sed Dan why does it seem that wen we lose the 2 words that come up the most are FREE THROWS... jt3 its not that hard we have one soft spot throughout the whole team and thats free throws shooting less than 50 percent... thats not an option
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Joe Hoya
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Post by Joe Hoya on Mar 10, 2006 22:00:22 GMT -5
it changes my mindset because now we are gonna be worried about this occurring again we got lucky against duke and syr finally did it to us So you're saying that we got lucky against Duke... and ND (twice)... and Marquette... and Pitt... and every other close game we've won? The strategy works. But only if we can hit our free throws. Had we sped up the game and continued to attack without hitting our free throws, the end result would have been the same. If the Marquette game yesterday had lasted 15 seconds longer we would have lost. Not to say we got lucky, but if you consider it luck that a 68% FT shooter goes 6-6 down the stretch then yes, we did. This hurts so bad. I think I'm staying in tonight.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 22:10:30 GMT -5
i think there was a stat that showed since jan1 bb is shooting 81% fromthe line... hes been working at his ft shooting unlike the rest of theteam so dont think thats luck going 6-6 thats just good work paying off
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 22:15:41 GMT -5
So you're saying that we got lucky against Duke... and ND (twice)... and Marquette... and Pitt... and every other close game we've won? The strategy works. But only if we can hit our free throws. Had we sped up the game and continued to attack without hitting our free throws, the end result would have been the same. If the Marquette game yesterday had lasted 15 seconds longer we would have lost. Not to say we got lucky, but if you consider it luck that a 68% FT shooter goes 6-6 down the stretch then yes, we did. This hurts so bad. I think I'm staying in tonight. Bogus 5 second call. DJ getting tackled. Marquette was lucky to even get a chance to tie. That game getting close had nothing to do with the tempo at which we played.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 22:17:30 GMT -5
haha wow rock uve been dead on today, dj got tackled no call, just all the refs with the 'disrespect' and im saying that LIGHTLY for us as a ballclub, ya gmac deserves respect but all-star treatment, hes a great player but thats way 2 much respect.. thats more than JJ and the dukies get
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 10, 2006 22:24:30 GMT -5
The bottom line is this: no team can go 8 for 17 from the FT line employing ANY strategy and expect to win a hotly contested game (and yes, even when Cuse was down 15). Never would have been that close to matter had we tried to score.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Mar 10, 2006 22:26:30 GMT -5
SF good point why is that if we have a WIDE OPEN shot with 27 secondson the shotclock wewont shoot it
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 10, 2006 22:30:45 GMT -5
We were also passing up plenty of open looks early in the shot clock in the 1st half while we built our lead. No one is complaining about that.
It's all about making shots and making possessions count by hitting your FTs when you get to the line.
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