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Post by chinatownfanclub on Jan 18, 2006 18:11:21 GMT -5
I think its time to stop whining about what fans were doing or not doing during the game last nite. The game was disgusting to watch. Just a poorly played b-ball game all-around. I was bored and I've been to every home game over the past 6 years. The fans stepped it up when it was appropriate at the end of the game. The team did not provide much to cheer for other than the Green dunk.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 18, 2006 18:17:28 GMT -5
regarding wearing gray to games. I've already suggested bringing an article of clothing to change into or possibly slipping over work clothes if that's too inconvenient how about wearing a gray dress shirt surely that's feasible enough.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 18, 2006 18:19:40 GMT -5
First off, my intent in creating this thread was not to "call out" alumni, as SFHoya stated. I was just simply wondering if people had any suggestions as to how to get more non-student fans to cheer. People have expressed frustration as to the lack of energy among the non-student sections, and all I was an exchange of ideas as to how to possibly help this matter. Maybe I should have made a different thread entitled, "How to get non-student fans out to the game," because frankly, that frustrates me much more than the fans that are already there.
Hoya Blue's responsibility is with the students, and a good college atmosphere starts with that. If we get a loud, consistently raucous student section over the course of the game, hopefully the non-student fans will start emulating that. That is our goal.
As far as badgering fans, please read my post in the thread, "How to get students cheering." I specifically acknowledge that we need to ENCOURAGE fans to cheer, not coerce them. And as far as the megaphones go, members of Hoya Blue are never going to face the student section and lead cheers. We want to watch the game and lead cheers at the same time. It's simply asking too much of a person too miss out on watching a game to lead cheers. I felt like I missed enough of the game leading cheers from the aisle in the middle of the student section last night.
Which is another argument for the re-institution of male cheerleaders.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Jan 18, 2006 18:23:46 GMT -5
regarding wearing gray to games. I've already suggested bringing an article of clothing to change into or possibly slipping over work clothes if that's too inconvenient how about wearing a gray dress shirt surely that's feasible enough. You know, I'm sorry, but a gray dress shirt just wouldn't look really good with my brown pinstripe pants and suede nubuck loafers. Yeah, that's just not going to work. I have a rep that I have to uphold. Thanks.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 18, 2006 18:27:36 GMT -5
I think its time to stop whining about what fans were doing or not doing during the game last nite. The game was disgusting to watch. Just a poorly played b-ball game all-around. I was bored and I've been to every home game over the past 6 years. The fans stepped it up when it was appropriate at the end of the game. The team did not provide much to cheer for other than the Green dunk. How about the concept that the team needs the fan support more than ever when they are playing like crap? Maybe if the entire crowd had gotten up and been as loud all game long as they were for the last minute we would have won by 15. Thats what a homecourt advantage is supposed to be about, picking the team up throughout the game and providing them with that extra burst of motivation, not waiting till the end to wake up when we might lose the game.
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Post by Bay99 on Jan 18, 2006 18:47:17 GMT -5
regarding wearing gray to games. I've already suggested bringing an article of clothing to change into or possibly slipping over work clothes if that's too inconvenient how about wearing a gray dress shirt surely that's feasible enough. Uh, yeah. Let us know how you feel about your suggestion after you join the working world.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 18, 2006 18:49:45 GMT -5
regarding wearing gray to games. I've already suggested bringing an article of clothing to change into or possibly slipping over work clothes if that's too inconvenient how about wearing a gray dress shirt surely that's feasible enough. Uh, yeah. Let us know how you feel about your suggestion after you join the working world. He's not asking you to wear a gray shirt everyday. I know I look at these things differently, but in my opinion wearing a Gray shirt on game days doesnt seem like such a huge hardship for anyone thats a fan.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 18, 2006 18:55:16 GMT -5
It's a nice concept to cheer no matter what, but all fans are fickle to some extent, especially when a team is underachieving. I doubt that we would have played any better if the fans were screaming for 40 minutes. I think its more accurate to say that the fans feed off of the players and their product, and when the players are stinking up the joint, the fans likewise are going to stink it up. There are exceptions to this generalization, but more often than not fan reaction/intensity is directly tied to how the team performs on the floor. And, in the case of last night, the performance was putrid.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 18, 2006 18:58:30 GMT -5
I was under the impression that the students, at least, did an ok job of trying to pump the team up w/ cheers. The problem lay more in the fact that we'd get the energy going, and then we'd get something ugly, like a USF putback dunk, a Gtown turnover, or a brick or some such.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Jan 18, 2006 19:05:28 GMT -5
Uh, yeah. Let us know how you feel about your suggestion after you join the working world. He's not asking you to wear a gray shirt everyday. I know I look at these things differently, but in my opinion wearing a Gray shirt on game days doesnt seem like such a huge hardship for anyone thats a fan. No, its just that those of us who are working every day have about 8,000 other things we're worrying about over the course of the day and are just lucky enough to be able to get out of work on time, let alone plan out our wardrobes ahead of time. I dont understand why this is such a big deal for you, 2007. I understand that you think it would look cool and I'm not disagreeing with you. If I could, I would push for the same thing. But, hi, we live in the real world. This is never going to happen on a weekday night. We have a better chance of seeing Sead get a triple-double against Duke.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 18, 2006 19:16:05 GMT -5
Sigh I hate the whole critism of HB and HB gets incredibly defensive routine. Cheering helps the team and gray provides a united front and displays school spirit and thats all HB is trying to do. We are trying to do it in ways that doesn't offend what seems to be the legion of sensitive fans who would rather do their own thing. So lets allow this thread and argument to die if possible. One of the smarter things you've ever said.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 18, 2006 19:21:43 GMT -5
That's why he's HB's ideas guy.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 18, 2006 19:25:41 GMT -5
He's not asking you to wear a gray shirt everyday. I know I look at these things differently, but in my opinion wearing a Gray shirt on game days doesnt seem like such a huge hardship for anyone thats a fan. No, its just that those of us who are working every day have about 8,000 other things we're worrying about over the course of the day and are just lucky enough to be able to get out of work on time, let alone plan out our wardrobes ahead of time. I dont understand why this is such a big deal for you, 2007. I understand that you think it would look cool and I'm not disagreeing with you. If I could, I would push for the same thing. But, hi, we live in the real world. This is never going to happen on a weekday night. We have a better chance of seeing Sead get a triple-double against Duke. the excuses. If you're such a hotshot out in the working world, I'd think you'd be able to a)make a mental note what day the game day is and b)Have a particular shirt clean, and put said shirt on on a particular day. If you don't think the idea is important, that's your prerogative. But the excuses are ridiculous. It's minimal effort. I'm sure you have a lot of things on your mind. I'm sure everyone else does too. But you can't remember that it's game day and to wear a particular shirt? Please.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Jan 18, 2006 19:33:03 GMT -5
the excuses. If you're such a hotshot out in the working world, I'd think you'd be able to a)make a mental note what day the game day is and b)Have a particular shirt clean, and put said shirt on on a particular day. If you don't think the idea is important, that's your prerogative. But the excuses are ridiculous. It's minimal effort. I'm sure you have a lot of things on your mind. I'm sure everyone else does too. But you can't remember that it's game day and to wear a particular shirt? Please. So I'm a hotshot now, huh? Well, if you want to start a war of petty namecalling, I'm all for it. If you want to have a constructive dialogue about your expectations versus reality, well, then pull your head out of your ass. I'm not making excuses for anything. I'm just telling you like it is. Maybe once you graduate, you'll understand. But then again, I forgot - we're in the presence of Hoya god-fans.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 18, 2006 20:19:30 GMT -5
This whole thread sounds like a bunch of 6 year olds wanting to get their way and getting mad at anyone who disagrees with them. Particularly, 007, take a breath.
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Post by dairishhoya on Jan 18, 2006 21:04:03 GMT -5
I was just simply wondering if people had any suggestions as to how to get more non-student fans to cheer. People have expressed frustration as to the lack of energy among the non-student sections, and all I was an exchange of ideas as to how to possibly help this matter. It's simple, get a quality product on the court. Get a team that plays hard night in and night out. A team that leaves it on the court no matter if the opponent is USF or an NBA team. A team that is willing to play their hearts out whether it's on a dirt court, playground or in professional arena. So far Coach is doing a great job in moving us in the right direction with better scheduling and leadership. The Athletics department has made advancements in creating a better atmosphere (there is more do to but they've taken steps). Yes, the team has played strong second halves against Illinois and UConn and has won games it wouldn't have a year or two ago (USF), but it comes down to bringing it every night no matter the opponent or condition. This team needs a swagger that says we can beat anybody, any night and in any place. It all comes down to the players on the court and their play ... that will get people excited. HB efforts have been great and I look forward to your continued work, but at some point the players need to step up to the next level.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 18, 2006 21:34:27 GMT -5
and shame on us for encouraging them for playing at their current level we should withold all cheering until we get some real talent on the team. J/K i know that's not what people are saying but that's what the whole we'll cheer when were playing well mentality gets you.
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Post by Rockycat on Jan 18, 2006 21:56:52 GMT -5
All good ideas. I wouldn't give up looking for a way to vest the students with better tickets down low and as far around as makes sense. Maybe we have to take care of some stalwart alumni which is fine and appropriate, but it isn't like there are 6000 of them. Putting the students down low, and nearly all around the court, puts their enthusiasm front and center where it needs to be, and all of us old toots will feed off that. Coach Thompson is going to produce some very good teams over time. Our job is to help find a balance that stimulates a sustainable student commitment and recognizes alumni who continue to attend games through thick and thin. I am not likely to respond to yell leaders or other contrivances and badgering is a non-starter, but mine is just one reaction. Save the caviar. A little student energy down low would be fun for all of us. By putting us all in the same vicinity, we feed off each other. That wouldn't hurt us a bit. This is a good issue. Thanks for raising it. Go Hoyas.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 18, 2006 22:11:00 GMT -5
So I'm a hotshot now, huh? Well, if you want to start a war of petty namecalling, I'm all for it. If you want to have a constructive dialogue about your expectations versus reality, well, then pull your head out of your ass. I'm not making excuses for anything. I'm just telling you like it is. Maybe once you graduate, you'll understand. But then again, I forgot - we're in the presence of Hoya god-fans. hot·shot n. Slang. A person of impressive skill and daring, especially one who is highly successful and self-assured. Clearly, very petty of me to call you that. Are you mad because I called you a hotshot, or because you know I'm right about how easy it is to wear a certain color shirt? A 4 year old could wake up in the morning, remember "It's Tuesday" and put on his gray shirt, or throw a gray t-shirt in his bookbag/briefcase. So could you, if you wanted to, but obviously you'd rather sit on a message board and make excuses for not doing so. There's a lot of anti-student, anti-HB stuff lately. Moreso than usual. Probably safe to say it's been going both ways, but anyway, whatsup with that? Here and Hoyareport. Disagreeing with 007, myself, and all the others is of course fine, but playing the "I'm older than you and thus much wiser" card is really lame, and I've seen it at least 4 or 5 times today. Everybody's extra-sensitive lately, like we're questioning your loyalty. We're all Hoya fans, otherwise we wouldn't be here. And, I think, we all love the team and want to see them succeed. I know sometimes Kurt and I probably get a little too emotional about this and say some things that we'd later like to retract... but I do think that some of the non-student fans are being too sensitive about what we're saying. We just want to have a better atmosphere at games, and it seems like we're almost always met with excuses. It's an uphill battle, but if everyone just keeps rattling off reasons why they can't do things or why they don't do things, nothing will ever change. A lot of other schools have a lot more success with their fans, student and non-student, than we do. But I feel like it's not for lack of ideas, but because our fans are simply unwilling to commit in the way that fans at other schools do. Which is really a shame, I think, because it's so little to ask of each person... No matter how much we try to share our vision, everybody shoots it down with stuff that, honestly, seems very trivial. With that sort of attitude, nothing will ever get better. It isn't always easy, or convenient, but it's good for spirit and atmosphere, which means it's good for the team. If people can't deal with that sort of minor inconvenience to help the team... well, I just think that's a shame .
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 18, 2006 22:23:18 GMT -5
these guys deserve our support the coach deserves our support this game a win would be a miracle and huge but doable doable and as for the old fogies to cheer will be tough need the cheerleaders to get aroung the arena which they still donot do and need the students to go crazy all two thousand and then maybe just maybe we will have some electricity but the real secret to total invovlement THE REMEMERGENCE OF MISTER OR MISS HAWAIIFIVE O AND THE ROW BOATERS THATLL GET EM GO HOYAS BEAT DUKE....
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