thedragon
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 2,332
|
Post by thedragon on May 2, 2024 8:56:43 GMT -5
Minor point, but I do not recall anybody who was "excited to see a guy transfer out [Brumbaugh] who was a top 100 recruit, transferred from Texas, is 6'4" 190 pounds, shot 37% from three point land in his freshman year and averaged 8.3 ppg, 2.6 apg, and 2.2 rpg in only 22.1 minutes/game." I don't think anybody was excited that he was going to leave. Instead, I think some people felt did not play at the level we wanted him to play at during his first year at Georgetown, and did not want a repeat of that next year. From this thread alone: thedragon, 3/20/24: "Lmao. Rowan was not a high major PG. If that wasn't obvious I don't know what to tell you. I'd be much more disappointed if Fielder left" This constitutes excitement? Even for Boya this is some bad faith. But you do you.
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,478
|
Post by hoyaboya on May 2, 2024 11:20:55 GMT -5
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,478
|
Post by hoyaboya on May 2, 2024 13:08:37 GMT -5
Classy move from the TCU program...
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,478
|
Post by hoyaboya on May 2, 2024 16:21:52 GMT -5
|
|
jackofjoy
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 237
|
Post by jackofjoy on May 2, 2024 17:43:27 GMT -5
Yeah, hoping at some point people will realize that they're probably just that, rumors. Or, you know, trust kids on campus who write a blog.
|
|
daveg023
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,352
|
Post by daveg023 on May 2, 2024 18:21:06 GMT -5
I think if you land one of the aforementioned two guys, the group plus Williams is pretty good for a program that has has won 4 conference games out of its last 60. Arguably as good as anyone else in the BE. If it weren’t for decent NIL money do we even come close to a class with 3-4 of the best 120 options? Especially since many on this list are seeking to go to a place to win / make the tournament, which requires a leap of faith if you’re coming here. Now if this is it, then I agree it’s a bit underwhelming given the noise headed into the offseason. To me in the unlikely case we get Cliff then it’s an A grade. If it’s just Stewart it’s a A-/B+. You have to factor in the incoming class and it’s a delicate balance to not chase a one year kid and not alienate someone else. I do think some overplayed the fact we’d have a Kansas or Kentucky like budget, which we clearly don’t. But our class rivals most T25 caliber programs, and all our peers in the BE.
|
|
|
Post by jctnhoya4ever on May 2, 2024 19:02:12 GMT -5
I am trying to stay positive, but I expected a little more in getting some better players in the transfer portal. It seems the job is a lot harder hear than people thought, I knew it was going to be tough getting good players to come to Georgetown. I thought with Cooley success at providence it would been easier, but it is hard to get players that are really good to come here. Anyone know why? Other than all the loosing and really bad teams over past 10 years. I guess with that, it is extremely hard to get good players. I thought if cook and styles had stayed with what we had coming in Hoyas would been a lot better team this season. Now I don’t see a whole lot more improvement. We have 1 starter back, with unproven young guys coming in. If freshman aren’t producing this team will be a lot like last season. As of now maybe 4-5 more wins. That’s not what I thought Cooley would bring to the table. And with transfer portal this could be almost impossible to turn around here. I hope I am wrong but it seems bleak right now.
|
|
DFW HOYA
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,777
|
Post by DFW HOYA on May 2, 2024 19:37:38 GMT -5
I am trying to stay positive, but I expected a little more in getting some better players in the transfer portal. It seems the job is a lot harder hear than people thought, I knew it was going to be tough getting good players to come to Georgetown. I thought with Cooley success at providence it would been easier, but it is hard to get players that are really good to come here. Anyone know why? Other than all the loosing and really bad teams over past 10 years. I guess with that, it is extremely hard to get good players. I thought if cook and styles had stayed with what we had coming in Hoyas would been a lot better team this season. Now I don’t see a whole lot more improvement. We have 1 starter back, with unproven young guys coming in. If freshman aren’t producing this team will be a lot like last season. As of now maybe 4-5 more wins. That’s not what I thought Cooley would bring to the table. And with transfer portal this could be almost impossible to turn around here. I hope I am wrong but it seems bleak right now. Some previous thoughts: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/1059209Put more succinctly: Georgetown is not seen as a successful program and recruits have no frame of reference to judge it as anything different.
|
|
wolveribe
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 376
|
Post by wolveribe on May 2, 2024 20:14:44 GMT -5
I am trying to stay positive, but I expected a little more in getting some better players in the transfer portal. It seems the job is a lot harder hear than people thought, I knew it was going to be tough getting good players to come to Georgetown. I thought with Cooley success at providence it would been easier, but it is hard to get players that are really good to come here. Anyone know why? Other than all the loosing and really bad teams over past 10 years. I guess with that, it is extremely hard to get good players. I thought if cook and styles had stayed with what we had coming in Hoyas would been a lot better team this season. Now I don’t see a whole lot more improvement. We have 1 starter back, with unproven young guys coming in. If freshman aren’t producing this team will be a lot like last season. As of now maybe 4-5 more wins. That’s not what I thought Cooley would bring to the table. And with transfer portal this could be almost impossible to turn around here. I hope I am wrong but it seems bleak right now. I understand expectations but we also have one of the top freshman classes and one of the top transfer classes in the Big East. If you were told we would have top 2-3 in each, would you be happy? This is with the potential to add 4 more transfers
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,358
|
Post by prhoya on May 2, 2024 20:31:24 GMT -5
I understand expectations but we also have one of the top freshman classes and one of the top transfer classes in the Big East. If you were told we would have top 2-3 in each, would you be happy? This is with the potential to add 4 more transfers IIRC, all of our recent classes have been ranked top 2-3 in the BE. We know how that worked out. In GU’s case, these top-ranked classes have been a consequence of the annual mass exodus and quantity over quality.
|
|
conshyhoya
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 809
|
Post by conshyhoya on May 2, 2024 20:34:47 GMT -5
I am trying to stay positive, but I expected a little more in getting some better players in the transfer portal. It seems the job is a lot harder hear than people thought, I knew it was going to be tough getting good players to come to Georgetown. I thought with Cooley success at providence it would been easier, but it is hard to get players that are really good to come here. Anyone know why? Other than all the loosing and really bad teams over past 10 years. I guess with that, it is extremely hard to get good players. I thought if cook and styles had stayed with what we had coming in Hoyas would been a lot better team this season. Now I don’t see a whole lot more improvement. We have 1 starter back, with unproven young guys coming in. If freshman aren’t producing this team will be a lot like last season. As of now maybe 4-5 more wins. That’s not what I thought Cooley would bring to the table. And with transfer portal this could be almost impossible to turn around here. I hope I am wrong but it seems bleak right now. There were around 2000 players in the portal and so far by every ranking I have seen Mack is top 25 and Peavy is one of the best defenders while overall somewhere in the mid 100s. Williams is a project and is more based off past potential so probably by now pretty far down the list but provides some G size and defense. Cook may still end up staying based off who else we sign although I really hope we can get someone that can at least defend a little. Now if the final 3 or 4 players we bring in are more of Williams range that is a problem but there are a lot of guys out there in the top 200 that don't have a home which we know we have contacted some of them. There is still another 12 hours where the paperwork needs to get to the officials so we will probably see one or two more big names yet enter. What are you expecting? 5 top 10 transfers?
|
|
the_way
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
The Illest
Posts: 5,422
|
Post by the_way on May 2, 2024 22:22:43 GMT -5
I am trying to stay positive, but I expected a little more in getting some better players in the transfer portal. It seems the job is a lot harder hear than people thought, I knew it was going to be tough getting good players to come to Georgetown. I thought with Cooley success at providence it would been easier, but it is hard to get players that are really good to come here. Anyone know why? Other than all the loosing and really bad teams over past 10 years. I guess with that, it is extremely hard to get good players. I thought if cook and styles had stayed with what we had coming in Hoyas would been a lot better team this season. Now I don’t see a whole lot more improvement. We have 1 starter back, with unproven young guys coming in. If freshman aren’t producing this team will be a lot like last season. As of now maybe 4-5 more wins. That’s not what I thought Cooley would bring to the table. And with transfer portal this could be almost impossible to turn around here. I hope I am wrong but it seems bleak right now. Cooley had success at....Providence. Unless your team plays in the Big East or are from the Providence area, the school isn't on most kids radar. Cooley is charismatic, but it isn't like he won a National title at Providence either. Not a knock on Cooley or Providence, but that is a reality. We have had not been a consistent winner since the III days. Long time ago. In an offense that most kids didn't want to play. III's Final Four was 17 years ago. Got beat by a guy name Steph Curry the following year. Curry is getting close to retirement in a few years. So really think back to when many (not just 1 or 2) top kids were just wanting to come to G-town? Really long time ago. Now throw NIL into the mix. There are kids that want to get paid and have visibility. More visibility equal more money and opportunities. If you don't win, there will be less visibility. But it isn't bleak. Doesn't mean we can't get good players. You can't get worse than what we were this year. We were bad. However, given Cooley's track record, he has built a program into a consistent winner at a place that wasn't a blue blood. That is what Cooley brings to the table. That is what we need at the moment. This year was a wash. Let's see what next year brings.
|
|
|
Post by jctnhoya4ever on May 3, 2024 9:34:48 GMT -5
I understand expectations but we also have one of the top freshman classes and one of the top transfer classes in the Big East. If you were told we would have top 2-3 in each, would you be happy? This is with the potential to add 4 more transfers IIRC, all of our recent classes have been ranked top 2-3 in the BE. We know how that worked out. In GU’s case, these top-ranked classes have been a consequence of the annual mass exodus and quantity over quality.
|
|
|
Post by jctnhoya4ever on May 3, 2024 9:41:53 GMT -5
I understand we have a good recruiting class what does that mean? Nothing not now all of them will leave after a year with nil. You saw styles and cook left. The freshman coming in will leave after this year it happens every year nothing will change. This is an impossible job now. Nobody cares about Georgetown anymore they been irrelevant so long it’s a joke. Cooley may not be the answer you need to get a bigger name if you can’t get top 25 recruiting and top transfers every year. With this new college system you have to rebuild every year. Need a top 5 coach to get the recruits here. Or we be a every 2-3 years nit maybe not even close to ncaa team.
|
|
conshyhoya
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 809
|
Post by conshyhoya on May 3, 2024 9:57:09 GMT -5
I understand we have a good recruiting class what does that mean? Nothing not now all of them will leave after a year with nil. You saw styles and cook left. The freshman coming in will leave after this year it happens every year nothing will change. This is an impossible job now. Nobody cares about Georgetown anymore they been irrelevant so long it’s a joke. Cooley may not be the answer you need to get a bigger name if you can’t get top 25 recruiting and top transfers every year. With this new college system you have to rebuild every year. Need a top 5 coach to get the recruits here. Or we be a every 2-3 years nit maybe not even close to ncaa team. How many of his true freshmen left from his 2023 recruiting class? Small sample size but he retained both the Drews and none of the 2024 recruits asked for their NLI release after a horrible year which many teams can't say. I do wish Styles would have stayed but from his interviews it sounds like he always wanted to go to NC State after leaving UNC but didn't want to go straight there. Still wish Cooley could have talked him into staying but he did basically recruit over him with Peavy who defensively is a huge upgrade. Although I rather see a better C sounds like Cook is still a possibility to stay and probably depends on expected playing time. Can't really blame either side there. I wouldn't want to sit my final year either and we really need a C with better defense.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,783
|
Post by SFHoya99 on May 3, 2024 10:09:28 GMT -5
Why are people acting like the offseason is over?
|
|
|
Post by reformation on May 3, 2024 10:11:15 GMT -5
Kind of agree with the-way above. Cooley has a bit better talent this year and a real recruiting class. Let's see if he can add value as a coach and put the program back on an upward trajectory.
I've met him a few times and he is a charismatic guy-liked him personally. I witnessed a closed practice prior to the BE a few years ago--I was randomly at the place provy ws practicing and he let me and my daughter watch--he remembered my hs coach as he had recruited at my HS so I guess that was a factor--FWIW I thought he ran a good practice.
I think he had good success at Provy given limited resources. However, it's not like he's a celebrity coach that's going to be a magnet for top end talent either. Hope I guess is that he can do better than he did at Provy at a more high-profile place
I guess my own two cents with what he is doing basketball wise is that I don't think he puts enough premium on recruiting kids with better shooting ability-also I don't think he is leveraging Gtwn's brand recruiting intl kids.
From a program perspective, I'm hopeful for next year, but I think that next year will be pivotal in seeing what Cooley can really bring to the table. If things go well great, If, they don't the admin will have to begin to reevaluate again (which undoubtedly would take another year!) where the program is going.
|
|
daveg023
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,352
|
Post by daveg023 on May 3, 2024 11:19:16 GMT -5
Not great. I had more confidence Stewart was gettable than Cliff. Hopefully other targets were identified and we pivot quickly.
|
|
|
Post by hoyaatheart55 on May 3, 2024 11:38:41 GMT -5
Off-season so far gets a C grade
Disappointing given the rumors of our big NIL bag. Still time though.
|
|
|
Post by Ranch Dressing on May 3, 2024 11:53:50 GMT -5
Ooof. Hurts.
|
|