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Post by jackofjoy on Apr 29, 2024 17:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 29, 2024 17:57:53 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 29, 2024 17:58:59 GMT -5
Not saying I expect Stewart (even if he were to come) to turn into Bryce Hopkins, nor are the skill sets exactly the same, but the similarities are there:
Measurables: Stewart (6’9”, 227) / Hopkins (6’7”, 220) 247 HS Rank & Grade: Stewart (22, 97) / Hopkins (44, 96) Freshman MPG: Stewart (8.4) / Hopkins (6.4) Freshman PPG: Stewart (2.6) / Hopkins (2.1) Freshman RPG: Stewart (3.2) / Hopkins (1.4)
Perhaps Cooley can sell his experience developing Hopkins after a less than fulfilling first season at a Blue Blood. I think it’s certainly a risk worth taking for both sides.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 29, 2024 18:28:45 GMT -5
Not saying I expect Stewart (even if he were to come) to turn into Bryce Hopkins, nor are the skill sets exactly the same, but the similarities are there: Measurables: Stewart (6’9”, 227) / Hopkins (6’7”, 220) 247 HS Rank & Grade: Stewart (22, 97) / Hopkins (44, 96) Freshman MPG: Stewart (8.4) / Hopkins (6.4) Freshman PPG: Stewart (2.6) / Hopkins (2.1) Freshman RPG: Stewart (3.2) / Hopkins (1.4) Perhaps Cooley can sell his experience developing Hopkins after a less than fulfilling first season at a Blue Blood. I think it’s certainly a risk worth taking for both sides. We can definitely land the kid, that's not really the question - he was Duke's 9th man last season and was recruited over his first year in Durham. And he has some talent and is a nice piece in college as a 6'8" athletic rim-runner. The question is do you upset the apple cart with Fielder and Sorber to bring in Stewart. And why bring in somebody like Stewart whose skills are very duplicative with Fielder/Sorber while continuing to have a hole in the "true 5" category? We would have no shot blocking rim presence defensively on the roster. We also wouldn't have much girth inside, we'd likely get killed on the boards. I'm a hard pass on Stewart unless there are other Hoya departures expected prior to the portal deadline.
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 29, 2024 18:33:00 GMT -5
Not saying I expect Stewart (even if he were to come) to turn into Bryce Hopkins, nor are the skill sets exactly the same, but the similarities are there: Measurables: Stewart (6’9”, 227) / Hopkins (6’7”, 220) 247 HS Rank & Grade: Stewart (22, 97) / Hopkins (44, 96) Freshman MPG: Stewart (8.4) / Hopkins (6.4) Freshman PPG: Stewart (2.6) / Hopkins (2.1) Freshman RPG: Stewart (3.2) / Hopkins (1.4) Perhaps Cooley can sell his experience developing Hopkins after a less than fulfilling first season at a Blue Blood. I think it’s certainly a risk worth taking for both sides. We can definitely land the kid, that's not really the question. And he has some talent and is a nice piece in college as a 6'8" athletic rim-runner. The question is do you upset the apple cart with Fielder and Sorber to bring in Stewart. And why bring in somebody like Stewart whose skills are very duplicative with Fielder/Sorber while continuing to have a hole in the "true 5" category? We would have no shot blocking rim presence defensively on the roster. We also wouldn't have much girth inside, we'd likely get killed on the boards. I'm a hard pass on Stewart unless there are other Hoya departures expected prior to the portal deadline. Fair point. Right now I’m all about acquiring talent. Nothing is given with Fielder or Sorber. I also don’t think getting Stewart precludes you from getting a traditional 5 either.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2024 18:38:16 GMT -5
Not saying I expect Stewart (even if he were to come) to turn into Bryce Hopkins, nor are the skill sets exactly the same, but the similarities are there: Measurables: Stewart (6’9”, 227) / Hopkins (6’7”, 220) 247 HS Rank & Grade: Stewart (22, 97) / Hopkins (44, 96) Freshman MPG: Stewart (8.4) / Hopkins (6.4) Freshman PPG: Stewart (2.6) / Hopkins (2.1) Freshman RPG: Stewart (3.2) / Hopkins (1.4) Perhaps Cooley can sell his experience developing Hopkins after a less than fulfilling first season at a Blue Blood. I think it’s certainly a risk worth taking for both sides. The skill sets are much too far apart to draw many similarities. Hopkins talked last year about how Cooley gave him the freedom to take any shots he wanted, push the ball in transition and most of all play very aggressively offensively. Stewart doesn't have the skills yet to play in this manner.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 29, 2024 19:01:55 GMT -5
Not saying I expect Stewart (even if he were to come) to turn into Bryce Hopkins, nor are the skill sets exactly the same, but the similarities are there: Measurables: Stewart (6’9”, 227) / Hopkins (6’7”, 220) 247 HS Rank & Grade: Stewart (22, 97) / Hopkins (44, 96) Freshman MPG: Stewart (8.4) / Hopkins (6.4) Freshman PPG: Stewart (2.6) / Hopkins (2.1) Freshman RPG: Stewart (3.2) / Hopkins (1.4) Perhaps Cooley can sell his experience developing Hopkins after a less than fulfilling first season at a Blue Blood. I think it’s certainly a risk worth taking for both sides. The skill sets are much too far apart to draw many similarities. Hopkins talked last year about how Cooley gave him the freedom to take any shots he wanted, push the ball in transition and most of all play very aggressively offensively. Stewart doesn't have the skills yet to play in this manner. The other thing you'd have to look at is foul rates. They are very high for both Stewart and Fielder. Fielder averaged 2.3 fouls/game in 14.6 minutes/game. Stewart averaged 1.5 fouls/game in 8.3 minutes/game. Unless their propensity for fouling changes drastically, you can't expect either of those guys to play 30 minutes/game without fouling out. You are going to have serious foul trouble as a team if those are 2 of your rotation bigs.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 29, 2024 19:20:52 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2024 19:46:58 GMT -5
The skill sets are much too far apart to draw many similarities. Hopkins talked last year about how Cooley gave him the freedom to take any shots he wanted, push the ball in transition and most of all play very aggressively offensively. Stewart doesn't have the skills yet to play in this manner. The other thing you'd have to look at is foul rates. They are very high for both Stewart and Fielder. Fielder averaged 2.3 fouls/game in 14.6 minutes/game. Stewart averaged 1.5 fouls/game in 8.3 minutes/game. Unless their propensity for fouling changes drastically, you can't expect either of those guys to play 30 minutes/game without fouling out. You are going to have serious foul trouble as a team if those are 2 of your rotation bigs. I'm not worried about the fouls, I'd bet the more game reps each gets the fewer fouls we'll see.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 29, 2024 20:06:17 GMT -5
He was on campus today visiting.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 29, 2024 20:37:11 GMT -5
Not saying I expect Stewart (even if he were to come) to turn into Bryce Hopkins, nor are the skill sets exactly the same, but the similarities are there: Measurables: Stewart (6’9”, 227) / Hopkins (6’7”, 220) 247 HS Rank & Grade: Stewart (22, 97) / Hopkins (44, 96) Freshman MPG: Stewart (8.4) / Hopkins (6.4) Freshman PPG: Stewart (2.6) / Hopkins (2.1) Freshman RPG: Stewart (3.2) / Hopkins (1.4) Perhaps Cooley can sell his experience developing Hopkins after a less than fulfilling first season at a Blue Blood. I think it’s certainly a risk worth taking for both sides. We can definitely land the kid, that's not really the question - he was Duke's 9th man last season and was recruited over his first year in Durham. And he has some talent and is a nice piece in college as a 6'8" athletic rim-runner. The question is do you upset the apple cart with Fielder and Sorber to bring in Stewart. And why bring in somebody like Stewart whose skills are very duplicative with Fielder/Sorber while continuing to have a hole in the "true 5" category? We would have no shot blocking rim presence defensively on the roster. We also wouldn't have much girth inside, we'd likely get killed on the boards. I'm a hard pass on Stewart unless there are other Hoya departures expected prior to the portal deadline. I am not a hard pass on Stewart but he falls short of fixing the problem we had at 5. He is a defensive 4. If we enter the season with Cook, Sorber and Fielder (or less) at the 5, Lord help us.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 29, 2024 21:08:55 GMT -5
Not saying I expect Stewart (even if he were to come) to turn into Bryce Hopkins, nor are the skill sets exactly the same, but the similarities are there: Measurables: Stewart (6’9”, 227) / Hopkins (6’7”, 220) 247 HS Rank & Grade: Stewart (22, 97) / Hopkins (44, 96) Freshman MPG: Stewart (8.4) / Hopkins (6.4) Freshman PPG: Stewart (2.6) / Hopkins (2.1) Freshman RPG: Stewart (3.2) / Hopkins (1.4) Perhaps Cooley can sell his experience developing Hopkins after a less than fulfilling first season at a Blue Blood. I think it’s certainly a risk worth taking for both sides. We can definitely land the kid, that's not really the question - he was Duke's 9th man last season and was recruited over his first year in Durham. And he has some talent and is a nice piece in college as a 6'8" athletic rim-runner. The question is do you upset the apple cart with Fielder and Sorber to bring in Stewart. And why bring in somebody like Stewart whose skills are very duplicative with Fielder/Sorber while continuing to have a hole in the "true 5" category? We would have no shot blocking rim presence defensively on the roster. We also wouldn't have much girth inside, we'd likely get killed on the boards. I'm a hard pass on Stewart unless there are other Hoya departures expected prior to the portal deadline. Why would adding Stewart upset Sorber and Fielder? If they expecting to be the only players at the 4 and 5 spot and are upset for having additional players, they shouldn't be on the team. Stewarts skills are nothing like Fielder or Sorber. How does anyone watch these 3 play and think there games are remotely similar? Stewart was a top 25 recruit last year and a potential future NBA draft pick. We want a team that won 9 games to pass on that type of talent? Stewart was by far the best rebounder for Duke last year. He had 23 rebounds per 100 possessions. (Supreme Cook had 17.5 as a reference point). Adding Stewart is a huge boost to the rebounding. Stewart was the backup 4 man for Duke last year chipped in as a small ball 5 at times. With 80 minutes to use at the 4 and 5, there is plenty of time to use Stewart, Sorber, and Fielder. As a matter of fact, they should be looking to add on top of that as well, especially if they can find a rim protector. The positive with Stewart is he can play alongside both Fielder and Sorber.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 29, 2024 22:43:26 GMT -5
Saying "Hard pass" for a one year removed top 25, McDonalds All-American 5* recruit in a frontcourt that currently has exactly 2 players is about as dumb as it gets on here - and that's saying something.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 30, 2024 8:21:37 GMT -5
Saying "Hard pass" for a one year removed top 25, McDonalds All-American 5* recruit in a frontcourt that currently has exactly 2 players is about as dumb as it gets on here - and that's saying something. Of course in isolation, adding a guy with the characteristics you mentioned makes all the sense in the world. However, what you failed to add is that same guy was the 9th man in his team's rotation last season, averaged 8 minutes/game, got recruited over and is physically very similar to the 2 guys you've already commited to in your frontcourt. He does not solve the problem of being a true 5 who can guard other true 5s and he does not solve the problem of needing a rim protector. I'd love Stewart if we didn't already have 1 of Fielder or Sorber and if we already had somebody that can guard 5s and block shots. But that's not the situation we're in. The people advocating for Stewart seem to be more in love with the fact that we can get him rather than recognizing he doesn't solve any of our actual personnel needs. And by bringing in Stewart at this late stage, what does that tell Fielder and Sorber?
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Post by TC on Apr 30, 2024 8:53:58 GMT -5
Thomas Sorber is a C. He is not an outside shooter, and his amazing skillset is his interior passing and his passing out of the post. Putting him at the 4 would be a crime.
Sean Stewart on the other hand is a 4. He doesn't have much of a shot yet, but if you pair him with Sorber or Fielder, they are good enough passers to get him good looks around the basket. He didn't play a lot at Duke, but when he did he was easily their best defender - he blocked shots at a higher rate than Filipowski, and stole the ball at a higher rate than their guards - he is fast and has incredible vertical.
The problem last year was guards and small forwards driving the lane with no rim protection. I don't think that happens with any combination of Fielder, Stewart, Sorber on the floor and because of some of the guard changes.
Between the three of them and the 4 and 5 positions, there are a ton of minutes and plenty for everyone. Add a beefy backup C and you're set.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Apr 30, 2024 8:54:45 GMT -5
Saying "Hard pass" for a one year removed top 25, McDonalds All-American 5* recruit in a frontcourt that currently has exactly 2 players is about as dumb as it gets on here - and that's saying something. Of course in isolation, adding a guy with the characteristics you mentioned makes all the sense in the world. However, what you failed to add is that same guy was the 9th man in his team's rotation last season, averaged 8 minutes/game, got recruited over and is physically very similar to the 2 guys you've already commited to in your frontcourt. He does not solve the problem of being a true 5 who can guard other true 5s and he does not solve the problem of needing a rim protector. I'd love Stewart if we didn't already have 1 of Fielder or Sorber and if we already had somebody that can guard 5s and block shots. But that's not the situation we're in. The people advocating for Stewart seem to be more in love with the fact that we can get him rather than recognizing he doesn't solve any of our actual personnel needs. And by bringing in Stewart at this late stage, what does that tell Fielder and Sorber? Sorber is our true 5 starter, fielder, and if we get Stewart will be our 2 4 spot positions. I think Stewart could play some backup 5 but I do believe aftrr we get another PF, we use sone money on a best available center. Looking at highlights of Stewart and Sorber we will have a significant upgrade at rim protection.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Apr 30, 2024 8:56:11 GMT -5
Thomas Sorber is a C. He is not an outside shooter, and his amazing skillset is his interior passing and his passing out of the post. Putting him at the 4 would be a crime. Sean Stewart on the other hand is a 4. He doesn't have much of a shot yet, but if you pair him with Sorber or Fielder, they are good enough passers to get him good looks around the basket. He didn't play a lot at Duke, but when he did he was easily their best defender - he blocked shots at a higher rate than Filipowski, and stole the ball at a higher rate than their guards - he is fast and has incredible vertical. Between the three of them and the 4 and 5 positions, there are a ton of minutes and plenty for everyone. Add a backup C and you're set. This is how I see it
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 30, 2024 9:08:28 GMT -5
Thomas Sorber is a C. He is not an outside shooter, and his amazing skillset is his interior passing and his passing out of the post. Putting him at the 4 would be a crime. Sean Stewart on the other hand is a 4. He doesn't have much of a shot yet, but if you pair him with Sorber or Fielder, they are good enough passers to get him good looks around the basket. He didn't play a lot at Duke, but when he did he was easily their best defender - he blocked shots at a higher rate than Filipowski, and stole the ball at a higher rate than their guards - he is fast and has incredible vertical. The problem last year was guards and small forwards driving the lane with no rim protection. I don't think that happens with any combination of Fielder, Stewart, Sorber on the floor. Between the three of them and the 4 and 5 positions, there are a ton of minutes and plenty for everyone. Add a beefy backup C and you're set. "Sorber has the hands and agile feet of a high major stretch 4." prepscene.org/player-profile-t-sorber/"He's a post player first," said Brown. "But you can run offense through him. He knows how to pass, he knows how to play. He's a post player who you can also play facing the basket because he can go out to the free throw line and the three point line and hit jump shots. His strength is probably in his passing and basketball IQ." 247sports.com/article/college-basketball-recruiting-top-150-junior-big-man-thomas-sorber-is-headed-to-georgetown-210385013/Out of curiosity, would we be calling Sorber "a C" if Cliff O was about to sign with the Hoyas instead of Sean Stewart?
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 30, 2024 9:09:33 GMT -5
Of course in isolation, adding a guy with the characteristics you mentioned makes all the sense in the world. However, what you failed to add is that same guy was the 9th man in his team's rotation last season, averaged 8 minutes/game, got recruited over and is physically very similar to the 2 guys you've already commited to in your frontcourt. He does not solve the problem of being a true 5 who can guard other true 5s and he does not solve the problem of needing a rim protector. I'd love Stewart if we didn't already have 1 of Fielder or Sorber and if we already had somebody that can guard 5s and block shots. But that's not the situation we're in. The people advocating for Stewart seem to be more in love with the fact that we can get him rather than recognizing he doesn't solve any of our actual personnel needs. And by bringing in Stewart at this late stage, what does that tell Fielder and Sorber? Sorber is our true 5 starter, fielder, and if we get Stewart will be our 2 4 spot positions. I think Stewart could play some backup 5 but I do believe aftrr we get another PF, we use sone money on a best available center. Looking at highlights of Stewart and Sorber we will have a significant upgrade at rim protection. So your plan is to start a 6'9" (listed) 230 pound freshman at the 5 and expect to be competitive in the Big East?
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Post by TC on Apr 30, 2024 9:13:26 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, would we be calling Sorber "a C" if Cliff O was about to sign with the Hoyas instead of Sean Stewart? Yes. If Cliff Omiruyi signed, it'd basically be making Sorber a 10-15 minute backup for a year.
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