drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Jan 17, 2024 16:27:57 GMT -5
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I, like I'm sure many of you, still can't get my head around the fact that Ryan, a 7'2" former 4 star recruit, has not developed into at least a serviceable, 10 mpg center for a team that over the past 2+ years has desperately needed one. I can understand that he may have been overvalued as a recruit but I think of Roy Hibbert, a guy who literally couldn't run when he got here and 4 years later was an NBA lottery pick, and have to wonder how bad is he that neither Ewing nor Cooley has found a use for him on this team. He's obviously a great kid and a cheerleader on the bench. I remember Al McGuire used to refer to big men like him as "aircraft carriers" and "space eaters". Since in nearly every game the past two years we have been killed in the paint can't we come up with a defensive scheme that uses his size? I'm sure his offense might leave a lot to be desired but it's not like Massoud is a scoring machine. Can we assume that wysiwyg and Cooley has committed to recruiting over him next year?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2024 16:37:28 GMT -5
I just don't think Mutombo's athletic abilities mesh well with Cooley's defensive scheme. This is really reflective, too, of the way the game has changed over the last 10-15+ years. I imagine if Mutombo would be helpful on defense, he'd be playing.
I say this as someone who liked what I have seen out of Mutombo and did not trust Ewing's judgment on him. But, if Cooley isn't playing him either, then clearly there is something there.
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Post by 401to202hoya on Jan 17, 2024 16:40:58 GMT -5
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I, like I'm sure many of you, still can't get my head around the fact that Ryan, a 7'2" former 4 star recruit, has not developed into at least a serviceable, 10 mpg center for a team that over the past 2+ years has desperately needed one. I can understand that he may have been overvalued as a recruit but I think of Roy Hibbert, a guy who literally couldn't run when he got here and 4 years later was an NBA lottery pick, and have to wonder how bad is he that neither Ewing nor Cooley has found a use for him on this team. He's obviously a great kid and a cheerleader on the bench. I remember Al McGuire used to refer to big men like him as "aircraft carriers" and "space eaters". Since in nearly every game the past two years we have been killed in the paint can't we come up with a defensive scheme that uses his size? I'm sure his offense might leave a lot to be desired but it's not like Massoud is a scoring machine. Can we assume that wysiwyg and Cooley has committed to recruiting over him next year? Maybe the issue is Ryan, not Ewing or Cooley. I get that some on here have sentimental feelings toward the Mutombo family, but maybe, just maybe, Ryan's heart and desire is not there. The stories of Roy putting in the work during the offseason while on the Hilltop have been told many times. Can anyone say the same about Ryan?
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Jan 17, 2024 17:01:58 GMT -5
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I, like I'm sure many of you, still can't get my head around the fact that Ryan, a 7'2" former 4 star recruit, has not developed into at least a serviceable, 10 mpg center for a team that over the past 2+ years has desperately needed one. I can understand that he may have been overvalued as a recruit but I think of Roy Hibbert, a guy who literally couldn't run when he got here and 4 years later was an NBA lottery pick, and have to wonder how bad is he that neither Ewing nor Cooley has found a use for him on this team. He's obviously a great kid and a cheerleader on the bench. I remember Al McGuire used to refer to big men like him as "aircraft carriers" and "space eaters". Since in nearly every game the past two years we have been killed in the paint can't we come up with a defensive scheme that uses his size? I'm sure his offense might leave a lot to be desired but it's not like Massoud is a scoring machine. Can we assume that wysiwyg and Cooley has committed to recruiting over him next year? Maybe the issue is Ryan, not Ewing or Cooley. I get that some on here have sentimental feelings toward the Mutombo family, but maybe, just maybe, Ryan's heart and desire is not there. The stories of Roy putting in the work during the offseason while on the Hilltop have been told many times. Can anyone say the same about Ryan? I hear you but I just don't see Ryan dogging it. Just seems like too good a kid. I can understand lack of ability but a spot rim protector (i.e. "aircraft carrier") doesn't have to be a stud. Plus, like I said there doesn't seem to be anyone else on the roster to protect the paint.
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2024 17:18:36 GMT -5
The answer to the thread title is that he seems like a great kid who is going to get a Georgetown degree and who we can all be proud of.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 17, 2024 17:25:55 GMT -5
I see the lack of mobility and the fact that he is slow to react on defense. I see that he is not the strongest person on the team by any stretch. But considering the current rotation is lacking in size and that at least for now Massoud is not contributing on either end of the court, I also see some value in the team using Ryan a few minutes each half to give Cook and Fielder a break. That said, like 2003 it is concerning that Cooley is not playing the kid any more than Ewing did so I have to assume that my uneducated eye is not seeing some significant flaw that keeps him on the bench.
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Post by harlemhoya on Jan 17, 2024 17:44:08 GMT -5
He’s very happy cheering for his teammates on the bench. He is not very good at playing basketball.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 17, 2024 17:51:12 GMT -5
I think it simply boils down to him generally being no higher than third at his position on the depth chart either last year or this year. When you're third, barring injuries or fouls, you don't play.
Cook is better on both ends. Fielder is way better offensively and probably not much worse defensively (even at the five). Cook and Fielder easily can split 40 minutes without either being tired. Even giving Fielder time at the four. And you're not going to just throw him minutes to develop him, particularly when that might take minutes from a guy like Fielder you are trying to develop.
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 17, 2024 17:52:39 GMT -5
I am with those who thought that under Cooley, Ryan would develop into that - at least- serviceable big man. Not yet, but there is still a year and a half left in his college career. To watch him be the head cheerleader after a great Hoya play, I see total commitment to the team. If he is doing that knowing that he is to be a 7'2" benchwarmer for 4 years is amazing to me. I feel for the kid, but I see his facial expressions and I see someone happy doing what he is doing. I am hoping that he has some sort of athletic breakthrough, but if he doesn't I suspect t that he will be just fine ....
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 17, 2024 21:17:30 GMT -5
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I, like I'm sure many of you, still can't get my head around the fact that Ryan, a 7'2" former 4 star recruit, has not developed into at least a serviceable, 10 mpg center for a team that over the past 2+ years has desperately needed one. I can understand that he may have been overvalued as a recruit but I think of Roy Hibbert, a guy who literally couldn't run when he got here and 4 years later was an NBA lottery pick, and have to wonder how bad is he that neither Ewing nor Cooley has found a use for him on this team. He's obviously a great kid and a cheerleader on the bench. I remember Al McGuire used to refer to big men like him as "aircraft carriers" and "space eaters". Since in nearly every game the past two years we have been killed in the paint can't we come up with a defensive scheme that uses his size? I'm sure his offense might leave a lot to be desired but it's not like Massoud is a scoring machine. Can we assume that wysiwyg and Cooley has committed to recruiting over him next year? Remember that Hibbert's game became obsolete overnight in the NBA. The game is played differently now. If you are not mobile, you are completely exploited. That type of center has gone the way of the dinosaur in elite basketball.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Jan 17, 2024 22:22:48 GMT -5
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I, like I'm sure many of you, still can't get my head around the fact that Ryan, a 7'2" former 4 star recruit, has not developed into at least a serviceable, 10 mpg center for a team that over the past 2+ years has desperately needed one. I can understand that he may have been overvalued as a recruit but I think of Roy Hibbert, a guy who literally couldn't run when he got here and 4 years later was an NBA lottery pick, and have to wonder how bad is he that neither Ewing nor Cooley has found a use for him on this team. He's obviously a great kid and a cheerleader on the bench. I remember Al McGuire used to refer to big men like him as "aircraft carriers" and "space eaters". Since in nearly every game the past two years we have been killed in the paint can't we come up with a defensive scheme that uses his size? I'm sure his offense might leave a lot to be desired but it's not like Massoud is a scoring machine. Can we assume that wysiwyg and Cooley has committed to recruiting over him next year? Remember that Hibbert's game became obsolete overnight in the NBA. The game is played differently now. If you are not mobile, you are completely exploited. That type of center has gone the way of the dinosaur in elite basketball. I agree that Ryan does not have the skill set or athleticism to be a great college or NBA player. But my point is that by this time he should be able to at least provide a few meaningful minutes a game. Especially now that we see that Massoud doesn't deserve those minutes.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 18, 2024 8:26:07 GMT -5
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I, like I'm sure many of you, still can't get my head around the fact that Ryan, a 7'2" former 4 star recruit, has not developed into at least a serviceable, 10 mpg center for a team that over the past 2+ years has desperately needed one. I can understand that he may have been overvalued as a recruit but I think of Roy Hibbert, a guy who literally couldn't run when he got here and 4 years later was an NBA lottery pick, and have to wonder how bad is he that neither Ewing nor Cooley has found a use for him on this team. He's obviously a great kid and a cheerleader on the bench. I remember Al McGuire used to refer to big men like him as "aircraft carriers" and "space eaters". Since in nearly every game the past two years we have been killed in the paint can't we come up with a defensive scheme that uses his size? I'm sure his offense might leave a lot to be desired but it's not like Massoud is a scoring machine. Can we assume that wysiwyg and Cooley has committed to recruiting over him next year? Remember that Hibbert's game became obsolete overnight in the NBA. The game is played differently now. If you are not mobile, you are completely exploited. That type of center has gone the way of the dinosaur in elite basketball. That type of center is still very effective in college basketball and we would benefit greatly if he could be used as a rim-protecting enforcer ready to use his five fouls in the paint and not expected to go out to the 3-pt arch. That said, maybe Ryan’s lack of pt is a mix of Cooley’s system and Ryan earning (or not) that pt in practice and off-court work. Has Cooley ever worked with a player like Ryan? I cannot remember one in Providence.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 18, 2024 10:23:20 GMT -5
Clingan & Edey are two really tall centers who are plus players. They are a problem inside on offense though and can use their length just enough to offset their lack of foot speed. Purdue has also built a system around that type of player. UConn just has a really rare talent in Clingan. Ryan will get a degree and then can likely grad transfer if he wants to step down a level and play. Nothing wrong with his approach or the schools.
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Post by thedragon on Jan 18, 2024 10:24:18 GMT -5
Good gracious. Is this the 20th iteration of this kind of thread? I mean this in the most respectful way possible..."Take a Hint!".
Ewing didn't play him over Malcolm Wilson who ended up being a Team Manager and when Malcolm came back from being a Manager- still didnt play him over Malcolm who ended up at Queens University in Charlotte. Ewing didn't play him over Tim I who ended up at Cal Baptist and now entered the portal last offseason and to my knowledge never found another home.
Cooley, even when foul trouble hits, doesn't even use him in "emergency" situations.
Ewing benched him (from basically being third string) at one point for not being mature and focused enough (I'm paraphrasing as I'm sure someone could find the post-game quotes if they wanted).
Do we really believe that if two different staffs of teams that have won a combined 3 BE games in 3 years thought for a single second he could've helped them win more they wouldn't have played him?
Move on.
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Post by bills on Jan 18, 2024 11:00:53 GMT -5
Playing time is earned in practice and we have no visibility on what Ryan is showing there. He has only eared an occasional appearance for a few minutes. He is a very smart young man and someone will make Georgetown proud that he got his degree here. But not because of what he accomplished on the basketball court.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 18, 2024 12:49:38 GMT -5
Clingan & Edey are two really tall centers who are plus players. They are a problem inside on offense though and can use their length just enough to offset their lack of foot speed. Purdue has also built a system around that type of player. UConn just has a really rare talent in Clingan. Ryan will get a degree and then can likely grad transfer if he wants to step down a level and play. Nothing wrong with his approach or the schools. Clingan and Eddy are very athletic for their size (7-2 and 7-4) and have great footwork. Ryan is slow and unathletic and slow twitch. Nothing wrong with that, most 7-2 humans aren’t athletic. So he really has to have great footwork and technique to compensate to become a rotation player like Northwesterns Mathew Nicholson. But that is going to require a lot of time, hard work and dedication and he has to decide if basketball is what he wants to do at the pro level. I’m sure he has plenty of options.
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Post by Omega on Jan 18, 2024 21:43:44 GMT -5
Ryan will get his chance during the 2nd half of the season.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 19, 2024 10:55:49 GMT -5
Good gracious. Is this the 20th iteration of this kind of thread? I mean this in the most respectful way possible..."Take a Hint!". Ewing didn't play him over Malcolm Wilson who ended up being a Team Manager and when Malcolm came back from being a Manager- still didnt play him over Malcolm who ended up at Queens University in Charlotte. Ewing didn't play him over Tim I who ended up at Cal Baptist and now entered the portal last offseason and to my knowledge never found another home. Cooley, even when foul trouble hits, doesn't even use him in "emergency" situations. Ewing benched him (from basically being third string) at one point for not being mature and focused enough (I'm paraphrasing as I'm sure someone could find the post-game quotes if they wanted). Do we really believe that if two different staffs of teams that have won a combined 3 BE games in 3 years thought for a single second he could've helped them win more they wouldn't have played him? Move on. Believe me I really want to. But like you said if a team that won 3 BE games in 3 years can't find a use (albeit limited) for a 7'2", four star, center then I wonder if it doesn't say something about either the ability of the coaching staff to "coach him up" or the attitude of the player. It's probably too late in the season to throw Ryan in against some of the better BE centers but I'd really have given him lots of pt against our OOC cupcakes. Either he shows we wants to compete or embarrasses himself to the point that threads like this won't get started.
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Post by 401to202hoya on Jan 19, 2024 11:07:13 GMT -5
Good gracious. Is this the 20th iteration of this kind of thread? I mean this in the most respectful way possible..."Take a Hint!". Ewing didn't play him over Malcolm Wilson who ended up being a Team Manager and when Malcolm came back from being a Manager- still didnt play him over Malcolm who ended up at Queens University in Charlotte. Ewing didn't play him over Tim I who ended up at Cal Baptist and now entered the portal last offseason and to my knowledge never found another home. Cooley, even when foul trouble hits, doesn't even use him in "emergency" situations. Ewing benched him (from basically being third string) at one point for not being mature and focused enough (I'm paraphrasing as I'm sure someone could find the post-game quotes if they wanted). Do we really believe that if two different staffs of teams that have won a combined 3 BE games in 3 years thought for a single second he could've helped them win more they wouldn't have played him? Move on. Believe me I really want to. But like you said if a team that won 3 BE games in 3 years can't find a use (albeit limited) for a 7'2", four star, center then I wonder if it doesn't say something about either the ability of the coaching staff to "coach him up" or the attitude of the player. It's probably too late in the season to throw Ryan in against some of the better BE centers but I'd really have given him lots of pt against our OOC cupcakes. Either he shows we wants to compete or embarrasses himself to the point that threads like this won't get started. The answer to your question is staring you in the face but you don't want to acknowledge it for some reason.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 19, 2024 11:16:18 GMT -5
Good gracious. Is this the 20th iteration of this kind of thread? I mean this in the most respectful way possible..."Take a Hint!". Ewing didn't play him over Malcolm Wilson who ended up being a Team Manager and when Malcolm came back from being a Manager- still didnt play him over Malcolm who ended up at Queens University in Charlotte. Ewing didn't play him over Tim I who ended up at Cal Baptist and now entered the portal last offseason and to my knowledge never found another home. Cooley, even when foul trouble hits, doesn't even use him in "emergency" situations. Ewing benched him (from basically being third string) at one point for not being mature and focused enough (I'm paraphrasing as I'm sure someone could find the post-game quotes if they wanted). Do we really believe that if two different staffs of teams that have won a combined 3 BE games in 3 years thought for a single second he could've helped them win more they wouldn't have played him? Move on. Believe me I really want to. But like you said if a team that won 3 BE games in 3 years can't find a use (albeit limited) for a 7'2", four star, center then I wonder if it doesn't say something about either the ability of the coaching staff to "coach him up" or the attitude of the player. It's probably too late in the season to throw Ryan in against some of the better BE centers but I'd really have given him lots of pt against our OOC cupcakes. Either he shows we wants to compete or embarrasses himself to the point that threads like this won't get started. You're putting a lot on the recruiting rankings of a player who didn't have a ton of competition in high school and who has a HOF father. There's just a really good chance that 4 star was wrong. I don't think Ryan has a bad attitude, but I think it also seems very likely that people on here are far more worried about his playing time that he is. There's a lot of different mentalities, and there's a millions between "malcontent" and "intensely driven to be the best." I suspect that Ryan is neither a slacker not working extra hard to succeed at basketball. But even beyond that, he's simply a tall, somewhat skilled but relatively unathletic dude. Could he play more? Certainly. Would he block a few shots and make a few buckets? Yes. Would he also be super slow in transition D -- yes, and would he also get roasted continually when he got switched out the to perimeter? Definitely. To play him, you're basically reworking rotations that most of the team still doesn't really have down yet. And what's the upside to it?
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