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Post by thebin on Mar 29, 2024 10:52:23 GMT -5
None of which changes the fact that we were ACCURATELY ignored on a list of relevant players (winners or losers) in the MCI/NoVa/DC land/subsidies war. That kinda fact has a salience of its own. Should cause Healy to rethink, for the 37th time, the wisdom of having no home gym.
That should sound like an undignified area of discourse for our program fwiw….
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 29, 2024 11:30:40 GMT -5
You need to re-read my posts if you got optimism out of me on the “Healy Has a Plan” front. Very bold of you to predict what is definitely not going to happen now that they are not leaving. But it suffices to say if Ted ended up in Virginia in 2 years w both tenants, GU taking over a reduced mci was as likely as any obvious alternative. Certainly as obvious as just tearing it down anyway. My point is this 11th hour extension for MCI and Ted is NOT good news for us. Some thoughts. 1. Georgetown has no plan, but I said that before. It really hasn't had a plan in over 20 years as serious discussions about McDonough Gymnasium took a seat on the kid's table with Lauinger expansion, Yates Field House, and the future of the Jesuits at Georgetown as issues where is it institutionally kicking the can to the next era's leadership. In some respects, this has contributed to the ongoing decline of men's basketball at the University. 2. The extension was, on the whole, good for Georgetown--here's why. While I argued that an opportunity to buy Capital One Arena was a generational opportunity, there was no certainty the arena would even have been available, especially if Bowser wanted to tear it down and real estate interests (whose influence outweighs Georgetown) had made their presence felt. Building the next City Center would have taken precedence over a fire sale to Georgetown. Paying twice the rent before 4,000 in Alexandria would have been a death rattle. Of course, paying twice the rent before 4,000 downtown isn't a great choice either, but see comment #1. And don't anyone be naive: the rent is going up. 3. One of the other parts of this agreement is that the city offloads the ESA to Monumental. There is small but greater than zero chance that a small number of men's basketball games will eventually be relocated to St. Elizabeth's if attendance continues to wane and Monumental can rent those dates to other tenants--of course, it'll be sold as a community relations outreach but would be a disaster. 4. Forty years ago this weekend, some of us were having the time of our lives. To some at Georgetown today, it's like it never happened.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Mar 29, 2024 11:50:34 GMT -5
You need to re-read my posts if you got optimism out of me on the “Healy Has a Plan” front. Very bold of you to predict what is definitely not going to happen now that they are not leaving. But it suffices to say if Ted ended up in Virginia in 2 years w both tenants, GU taking over a reduced mci was as likely as any obvious alternative. Certainly as obvious as just tearing it down anyway. My point is this 11th hour extension for MCI and Ted is NOT good news for us. Some thoughts. 1. Georgetown has no plan, but I said that before. It really hasn't had a plan in over 20 years as serious discussions about McDonough Gymnasium took a seat on the kid's table with Lauinger expansion, Yates Field House, and the future of the Jesuits at Georgetown as issues where is it institutionally kicking the can to the next era's leadership. In some respects, this has contributed to the ongoing decline of men's basketball at the University. 2. The extension was, on the whole, good for Georgetown--here's why. While I argued that an opportunity to buy Capital One Arena was a generational opportunity, there was no certainty the arena would even have been available, especially if Bowser wanted to tear it down and real estate interests (whose influence outweighs Georgetown) had made their presence felt. Building the next City Center would have taken precedence over a fire sale to Georgetown. Paying twice the rent before 4,000 in Alexandria would have been a death rattle. Of course, paying twice the rent before 4,000 downtown isn't a great choice either, but see comment #1. And don't anyone be naive: the rent is going up. 3. One of the other parts of this agreement is that the city offloads the ESA to Monumental. There is small but greater than zero chance that a small number of men's basketball games will eventually be relocated to St. Elizabeth's if attendance continues to wane and Monumental can rent those dates to other tenants--of course, it'll be sold as a community relations outreach but would be a disaster. 4. Forty years ago this weekend, some of us were having the time of our lives. To some at Georgetown today, it's like it never happened. On #4 -hardly a peep from the University or the Athletic Dept. on this. Can't decide if that's just pure incompetence, shameful, fear of the prior men's coach, or some permutation of all three.....
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 29, 2024 12:04:23 GMT -5
Some thoughts. 1. Georgetown has no plan, but I said that before. It really hasn't had a plan in over 20 years as serious discussions about McDonough Gymnasium took a seat on the kid's table with Lauinger expansion, Yates Field House, and the future of the Jesuits at Georgetown as issues where is it institutionally kicking the can to the next era's leadership. In some respects, this has contributed to the ongoing decline of men's basketball at the University. 2. The extension was, on the whole, good for Georgetown--here's why. While I argued that an opportunity to buy Capital One Arena was a generational opportunity, there was no certainty the arena would even have been available, especially if Bowser wanted to tear it down and real estate interests (whose influence outweighs Georgetown) had made their presence felt. Building the next City Center would have taken precedence over a fire sale to Georgetown. Paying twice the rent before 4,000 in Alexandria would have been a death rattle. Of course, paying twice the rent before 4,000 downtown isn't a great choice either, but see comment #1. And don't anyone be naive: the rent is going up. 3. One of the other parts of this agreement is that the city offloads the ESA to Monumental. There is small but greater than zero chance that a small number of men's basketball games will eventually be relocated to St. Elizabeth's if attendance continues to wane and Monumental can rent those dates to other tenants--of course, it'll be sold as a community relations outreach but would be a disaster. 4. Forty years ago this weekend, some of us were having the time of our lives. To some at Georgetown today, it's like it never happened. On #4 -hardly a peep from the University or the Athletic Dept. on this. Can't decide if that's just pure incompetence, shameful, fear of the prior men's coach, or some permutation of all three..... Georgetown has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. . . The lack of vision - for example, the failure to purchase Mt. Vernon College and ceding the property to GWU. Twenty-seven acres of prime real estate, walking distance from Main Campus. By 1993, Mount Vernon, facing high costs and declining enrollment, was nearly bankrupt and borrowed $6.5 million from Georgetown University. The money was used to improve the college's curriculum and facilities, and enrollment jumped from about 300 at that time to 620 last year. But officials could not overcome their financial problems and turned to George Washington after Georgetown declined to step in again. School officials refused to disclose the full financial details of the George Washington deal, but former Mount Vernon president LucyAnn Geiselman has said that it was enough for her school to pay off Georgetown's loan and upgrade facilities. www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/01/02/gwu-takes-control-of-dc-college/fde08723-74b2-4ac3-99dd-3a2361bf1a84/
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 29, 2024 12:54:53 GMT -5
On #4 -hardly a peep from the University or the Athletic Dept. on this. Can't decide if that's just pure incompetence, shameful, fear of the prior men's coach, or some permutation of all three..... Georgetown has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. . . The lack of vision - for example, the failure to purchase Mt. Vernon College and ceding the property to GWU. Twenty-seven acres of prime real estate, walking distance from Main Campus. By 1993, Mount Vernon, facing high costs and declining enrollment, was nearly bankrupt and borrowed $6.5 million from Georgetown University. The money was used to improve the college's curriculum and facilities, and enrollment jumped from about 300 at that time to 620 last year. But officials could not overcome their financial problems and turned to George Washington after Georgetown declined to step in again. School officials refused to disclose the full financial details of the George Washington deal, but former Mount Vernon president LucyAnn Geiselman has said that it was enough for her school to pay off Georgetown's loan and upgrade facilities. www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/01/02/gwu-takes-control-of-dc-college/fde08723-74b2-4ac3-99dd-3a2361bf1a84/This was really a huge missed opportunity and the one I was thinking of before, though no doubt there are others. It's really a shame.
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Post by metaphor on Mar 29, 2024 13:05:41 GMT -5
Georgetown has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. . . The lack of vision - for example, the failure to purchase Mt. Vernon College and ceding the property to GWU. Twenty-seven acres of prime real estate, walking distance from Main Campus. By 1993, Mount Vernon, facing high costs and declining enrollment, was nearly bankrupt and borrowed $6.5 million from Georgetown University. The money was used to improve the college's curriculum and facilities, and enrollment jumped from about 300 at that time to 620 last year. But officials could not overcome their financial problems and turned to George Washington after Georgetown declined to step in again. School officials refused to disclose the full financial details of the George Washington deal, but former Mount Vernon president LucyAnn Geiselman has said that it was enough for her school to pay off Georgetown's loan and upgrade facilities. www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/01/02/gwu-takes-control-of-dc-college/fde08723-74b2-4ac3-99dd-3a2361bf1a84/This was really a huge missed opportunity and the one I was thinking of before, though no doubt there are others. It's really a shame. The big one before, and I would argue more important than Mt Vernon which is not physically connected to campus, was the screwup over the land north of Visitation and south of Reservoir Road. The nuns offered GU the land in the 1980s for a reasonable price, but GU tried to negotiate hard and they instead sold to a real estate developer. Look at a map, that piece of land is almost as big as the med school footprint. Buy that and you never would have needed Mt. Vernon. Oy.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Mar 29, 2024 15:12:46 GMT -5
This was really a huge missed opportunity and the one I was thinking of before, though no doubt there are others. It's really a shame. The big one before, and I would argue more important than Mt Vernon which is not physically connected to campus, was the screwup over the land north of Visitation and south of Reservoir Road. The nuns offered GU the land in the 1980s for a reasonable price, but GU tried to negotiate hard and they instead sold to a real estate developer. Look at a map, that piece of land is almost as big as the med school footprint. Buy that and you never would have needed Mt. Vernon. Oy. So spot on, metaphor!! Worst screw-up in GU administrative history in recent memory.....
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Post by thebin on Mar 29, 2024 15:23:54 GMT -5
I knew about mt vernon. I’m not sure i knew this one. That’s atrocious. I always did kind of think it would be great to absorb Visitation. Never knew it was so close to being a reality. This was really a huge missed opportunity and the one I was thinking of before, though no doubt there are others. It's really a shame. The big one before, and I would argue more important than Mt Vernon which is not physically connected to campus, was the screwup over the land north of Visitation and south of Reservoir Road. The nuns offered GU the land in the 1980s for a reasonable price, but GU tried to negotiate hard and they instead sold to a real estate developer. Look at a map, that piece of land is almost as big as the med school footprint. Buy that and you never would have needed Mt. Vernon. Oy.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 29, 2024 16:28:45 GMT -5
I knew about mt vernon. I’m not sure i knew this one. That’s atrocious. I always did kind of think it would be great to absorb Visitation. Never knew it was so close to being a reality. The big one before, and I would argue more important than Mt Vernon which is not physically connected to campus, was the screwup over the land north of Visitation and south of Reservoir Road. The nuns offered GU the land in the 1980s for a reasonable price, but GU tried to negotiate hard and they instead sold to a real estate developer. Look at a map, that piece of land is almost as big as the med school footprint. Buy that and you never would have needed Mt. Vernon. Oy. Here is what was developed when Georgetown passed on acquiring the property. And I would still have wanted to acquire Mt. Vernon College. (My senior year I lived 3 blocks from MVC on King Place). NB That price for the townhouse is in 2012 dollars. Probably double that now! www.dccondoboutique.com/blog/the-cloisters-georgetown-townhouse-community/
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 29, 2024 16:34:41 GMT -5
I think people are mixing up two different issues with Visitation, neither of which was likely to happen.
1. The University had an option on 8.2 acres of land in 1978 that became the Cloisters. The plan was, according to The HOYA, to build a community health care building and some doctor's offices. This was opposed by the neighborhood ANC the Medical Center opted instead for construction on its existing land. The public sale by Visitation was a number years after the option expired. There were rumors Visitation had held up the sale because it wanted a covenant that GU could not build men's dorms overlooking the school, but there appears no basis in fact for this claim.
2. In the summer of 1993, a large section of the school was damaged by fire. The school had no intention of closing and/or selling the campus to the University but it was concurrent with an leadership transition from the sisters of Visitation Monastery to a lay board by 1995.
As opposed to the complete fumble that was Mt. Vernon, the Cloisters land was largely a function of internal thinking that that property that opened up on that side of campus would belong to the Medical Center and not be space for Main Campus, which still had development possibilities in the New South parking lot, East Campus, the open block at 37th St. between O and N, the baseball field, etc. This thinking also hurt Georgetown when additional land along Reservoir (the future French Embassy) was missed.
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Post by metaphor on Mar 29, 2024 19:14:56 GMT -5
I think people are mixing up two different issues with Visitation, neither of which was likely to happen. 1. The University had an option on 8.2 acres of land in 1978 that became the Cloisters. The plan was, according to The HOYA, to build a community health care building and some doctor's offices. This was opposed by the neighborhood ANC the Medical Center opted instead for construction on its existing land. The public sale by Visitation was a number years after the option expired. There were rumors Visitation had held up the sale because it wanted a covenant that GU could not build men's dorms overlooking the school, but there appears no basis in fact for this claim. 2. In the summer of 1993, a large section of the school was damaged by fire. The school had no intention of closing and/or selling the campus to the University but it was concurrent with an leadership transition from the sisters of Visitation Monastery to a lay board by 1995. As opposed to the complete fumble that was Mt. Vernon, the Cloisters land was largely a function of internal thinking that that property that opened up on that side of campus would belong to the Medical Center and not be space for Main Campus, which still had development possibilities in the New South parking lot, East Campus, the open block at 37th St. between O and N, the baseball field, etc. This thinking also hurt Georgetown when additional land along Reservoir (the future French Embassy) was missed. I am sorry for any confusion, but I am not confusing two things. I thought I was pretty clear that this was not "all of Visitation" but rather a section of it when I said the land "north of Visitation and south of Reservoir Road" that eventually was purchased by a real estate developer. Yes, it is also called the Cloisters, I guess I should have used that name but thought using the geographical description was clearer. My understanding from several well placed sources was that the sisters of Visitation wanted to sell the unused land to provide funds for their retirement, and that Georgetown's CFO/Treasurer at the time (I cannot remember his name), played hard ball. I do not know if the male dormitory issue was real or not (and at the time, the buildings were coed, but the floors were male or female), but find it somewhat doubtful given that the land for sale (which became the Cloisters townhouses) primarily overlooks Visitation's sports field. Yes, there was lots of campus property that was not fully developed--I smiled when I saw DFW's comment about the New South parking lot. I broke the story in the Voice in 1982 about the University's plans to turn the parking lot into the Quad and move the parking underground. Of course it wasn't really a secret and I only had one source. But given the limitations on space in Georgetown, you never turn down the opportunity to purchase land adjacent to the campus. Never.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 29, 2024 19:59:06 GMT -5
You need to re-read my posts if you got optimism out of me on the “Healy Has a Plan” front. Very bold of you to predict what is definitely not going to happen now that they are not leaving. But it suffices to say if Ted ended up in Virginia in 2 years w both tenants, GU taking over a reduced mci was as likely as any obvious alternative. Certainly as obvious as just tearing it down anyway. My point is this 11th hour extension for MCI and Ted is NOT good news for us. Some thoughts. 1. Georgetown has no plan, but I said that before. It really hasn't had a plan in over 20 years as serious discussions about McDonough Gymnasium took a seat on the kid's table with Lauinger expansion, Yates Field House, and the future of the Jesuits at Georgetown as issues where is it institutionally kicking the can to the next era's leadership. In some respects, this has contributed to the ongoing decline of men's basketball at the University. The plan is to play where the Wizards and Caps play. Just because y'all don't like the plan because you would rather fantasize about building a Cameron Indoor at McDonough and pretend the neighbors wouldn't do everything in their power - up to and including suicide bombing - to stop it doesn't mean it's not a plan.* 4. Forty years ago this weekend, some of us were having the time of our lives. To some at Georgetown today, it's like it never happened. This is a fair criticism, but... you're the one who keeps talking about how McDonough and Healy 2 are stuck in a 1980s mindset and need to look toward the future. Maybe it's time to take your advice leave the 80s in the 80s and not constantly draw attention to our current has-been status? *The hyperbole is intentionally absurd, but no more so than pretending Georgetown could get permission to build an on-campus arena that would draw thousands of cars into the neighborhood.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 30, 2024 7:33:35 GMT -5
I think people are mixing up two different issues with Visitation, neither of which was likely to happen. 1. The University had an option on 8.2 acres of land in 1978 that became the Cloisters. The plan was, according to The HOYA, to build a community health care building and some doctor's offices. This was opposed by the neighborhood ANC the Medical Center opted instead for construction on its existing land. The public sale by Visitation was a number years after the option expired. There were rumors Visitation had held up the sale because it wanted a covenant that GU could not build men's dorms overlooking the school, but there appears no basis in fact for this claim. 2. In the summer of 1993, a large section of the school was damaged by fire. The school had no intention of closing and/or selling the campus to the University but it was concurrent with an leadership transition from the sisters of Visitation Monastery to a lay board by 1995. As opposed to the complete fumble that was Mt. Vernon, the Cloisters land was largely a function of internal thinking that that property that opened up on that side of campus would belong to the Medical Center and not be space for Main Campus, which still had development possibilities in the New South parking lot, East Campus, the open block at 37th St. between O and N, the baseball field, etc. This thinking also hurt Georgetown when additional land along Reservoir (the future French Embassy) was missed. My understanding from several well placed sources was that the sisters of Visitation wanted to sell the unused land to provide funds for their retirement, and that Georgetown's CFO/Treasurer at the time (I cannot remember his name), played hard ball. I do not know if the male dormitory issue was real or not (and at the time, the buildings were coed, but the floors were male or female), but find it somewhat doubtful given that the land for sale (which became the Cloisters townhouses) primarily overlooks Visitation's sports field. Yes, there was lots of campus property that was not fully developed--I smiled when I saw DFW's comment about the New South parking lot. I broke the story in the Voice in 1982 about the University's plans to turn the parking lot into the Quad and move the parking underground. Of course it wasn't really a secret and I only had one source. But given the limitations on space in Georgetown, you never turn down the opportunity to purchase land adjacent to the campus. Never. Was the CFO George Houston Jr.? After graduating first in his class at the School of Business Administration at Georgetown University in 1961, he taught part-time at Georgetown as an adjunct lecturer in accounting. He accepted a full-time faculty position in 1966 and was a School of Business faculty member and administrator until 1994. He served as Georgetown's chief financial officer from 1970 to 1994 and managing director of Georgetown's Endowment Fund from 1990 to 1994. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Houston_Jr.#guhoyas.com/news/2008/1/23/Good_Memories_By_George
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Post by Elvado on Mar 30, 2024 8:37:24 GMT -5
4. Forty years ago this weekend, some of us were having the time of our lives. To some at Georgetown today, it's like it never happened.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2024 20:58:41 GMT -5
The plan is to play where the Wizards and Caps play. Just because y'all don't like the plan because you would rather fantasize about building a Cameron Indoor at McDonough and pretend the neighbors wouldn't do everything in their power - up to and including suicide bombing - to stop it doesn't mean it's not a plan.* *The hyperbole is intentionally absurd, but no more so than pretending Georgetown could get permission to build an on-campus arena that would draw thousands of cars into the neighborhood. For a well read and well written poster, your argument here isn't as strong, and illustrates a challenge --and an opportunity-- to this discussion. First, a show of hands who expect to build a 9,300 seat gymnasium/arena on campus? Not many. But it's hyperbole to say that the only choices are 9,300 seats and community warfare or do nothing. From December comments: "McDonough Gymnasium was built in 1951 to hold 3,600 participants at a school of comparable size, and and later as many as 4,000 if using seating along its second level. For any number of reasons, the gymnasium has been whittled down to just over 2,000 with no significant upgrade to the student experience. It is no longer suitable for many intercollegiate events, for academic events, for concerts, or even for recreational purposes. Even men's basketball practice, which effectively closed off the gym to students after the debut of Yates Field House, is no longer held there. At some point, and sooner rather than later, a serious study needs to be initiated on the state of McDonough Gymnasium and its utility for the next 50 years... Can the building serve the purpose it was built for, and how would it change going forward? "A reflexive answer that "any" McDonough renovation triggers the wrath of the Campus Plan is neither fair nor accurate--a review that reflects the student body of 2030 and not 1950 is not a siren call for thousands of fans to descend upon campus for home games. A university of 6,875 full time students has no single gathering place that can account for them... let's do a real study and not just rely on supposition." Before there is an argument (and as noted above, a need for a legitimate study comes before all else), there needs to be a review whether some iteration of a 3,500 to 4,500 seat McDonough, properly designed and scheduled, could serve as a legitimate option for selected nonconference games, at least before Monumental doubles the rent to play before thousands of empty seats in mid-November. "Well, we couldn't fit all our season ticket holders..." OK, that's fine. Judging by the trend, season tickets are going the way of paper tickets. Sell these as premium seats--some will pay, others will not. Either way, students will fill the seats and get an experience nearly every other Division I student body enjoys. "Well, there's not enough parking..." It's been pointed out in previous pages here that the neighborhood would object to any effort that would exacerbate rush hour traffic; yet, not a peep was heard when 4,300 people and at least a thousand more descended on campus last October for a football game, or the crowds that come to Reunions, or those at Commencement. What do all of these events have in common? None take place in "rush hour", and as audiences are younger and less likely to be driving into DC, car usage is significantly reduced when events are held on weekends. "Well, we need an NBA arena to attract recruits..." Not lately. Empty arenas tell a 17 year old to steer clear of schools that do not support its teams. This generation has no memory of Georgetown as being good and the idea of it as "Black America's Team" is far more distant. The downtown home is still the place for the Big East, Syracuse, Maryland, etc. Across a campus that hasn't seen meaningful on-campus indoor sports in two generations, perhaps four or five games a year will rekindle the interest visibly lacking in today's students and tomorrow's alumni that going to a basketball game can be fun and can be part of community building. Who knows, maybe they'll even start supporting women's basketball, too. And what would 4,000 seats look like at Georgetown? Maybe this. (additional views at 3:07)
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Post by reformation on Mar 31, 2024 22:09:58 GMT -5
Have to agree with DFW on this. Unless there is some undercover deal for Leonsis to give us a gift of more than 10mm at least it probably is not economical to play in the pro arena. He did not include us in the aborted VA move so unless we are getting something extraordinary on the back end (maybe we will who knows) we really don't owe him anything.
I would think that the neighborhood issues could be managed by limiting nonstudent ticket sales and scheduling.
Playing on campus would add a lot to the student experience (maybe we'd actually get the students to go to the games) --unless were at a Duke type of level, don't see the whole downtown experience being a big net positive for the university. If Cooley is able to resurrect the program to what he had at Providence, it's probably still a net wash or money loser + marginal benefit to the univ overall.
Playing on campus would actually give us a much better HC advantage from competitive advantage. I would think recruits would respond more to scheduling, exposure, success rather than playing at an empty pro arena TBH which has no real legacy/history--it's not MSG or Staples or Boston Graden. I played at a 3/4 empty MSG in HS--it was certainly cool to do once but I don't think it would have influenced any of our highly recruited HS kids' vs our trip to play top teams in CA for ex.
I understand that this will not be seriously looked at until Jack D retires. I would find it hard to believe however that if an outsider is chosen to succeed Jack D that this issue and the whole BBALL enterprise will not get a serious rethink.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 31, 2024 23:37:20 GMT -5
He did not include us in the aborted VA move ... Just curious - what evidence do you have of this? I know a lot of people on here said this repeatedly (presumably because we werent mentioned in the early press releases on the move), but what evidence is there that we were not planning to move to Alexandria? I thought later public statements included us in the list of tenants in VA.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 1, 2024 6:17:44 GMT -5
He did not include us in the aborted VA move ... Just curious - what evidence do you have of this? I know a lot of people on here said this repeatedly (presumably because we werent mentioned in the early press releases on the move), but what evidence is there that we were not planning to move to Alexandria? I thought later public statements included us in the list of tenants in VA. I think you are correct based upon this reporting that the JP Morgan financial study included 17 Hoya basketball games. But a financial study produced for the Virginia governor’s office revealed that for the financing to work, the new arena would need to host 221 events per year to meet the financial goals. The events would include 88 Capitals and Wizards games, 17 Georgetown men’s basketball games, 64 concerts, 30 family shows, and 22 other events. www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/plan-to-move-caps-wizards-to-virginia-could-include-georgetown-hoyas/3514209/
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Post by reformation on Apr 1, 2024 7:35:13 GMT -5
Yes, maybe you are right. Just odd Gtwn never mentioned publicly. Maybe "we" did not want to be mentioned because of the obvious economic uncertainty referred to above. I think the basic concerns that I outlined are still valid as well as the position vs Leonsis. It's certainly easier just to rent a pro arena, but still seems like a money and overall program negative. Can't believe that the whole enterprise is not completely rethought with a new admin post Jack D retirement.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 1, 2024 8:44:37 GMT -5
Yes, maybe you are right. Just odd Gtwn never mentioned publicly. Maybe "we" did not want to be mentioned because of the obvious economic uncertainty referred to above. I think the basic concerns that I outlined are still valid as well as the position vs Leonsis. It's certainly easier just to rent a pro arena, but still seems like a money and overall program negative. Can't believe that the whole enterprise is not completely rethought with a new admin post Jack D retirement. I also think that maybe Georgetown was in a weak position to say anything publicly as it needs to maintain good relationships with both Bowser and Leonsis. And what if a post-Jack D Prez reimagining the program means de-emphsasizing it? At least Jack D knew the glory days no matter how badly he fumbled the post-JTIII era.
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