78HOYA78
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Dec 6, 2023 9:42:18 GMT -5
True - but making a point about his height and longer arms.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 6, 2023 9:52:53 GMT -5
I think there is a good chance the players believe they won that game and have the confidence you fear they lack, JCTNHOYA
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 6, 2023 12:22:51 GMT -5
I think there is a good chance the players believe they won that game and have the confidence you fear they lack, JCTNHOYA If anything, I think the way that the TCU game ended is more likely to make the guys more resilient and more determined than ever to show what they can do. Feeling like something was stolen from you is a good motivator. That said, there were a million things we could have done differently that game and won. So, we need to get better so that we aren't in that situation again.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 7, 2023 16:05:57 GMT -5
Hate to be the one to point out that Ivy League schools do not allow 5th year or Grad Student players which is why many of their 5th year players have been in the portal. I believe that if you graduate early (3 years) and work toward a 2nd undergrad degree as well then you can circumvent that. But my point remains. Insert Stanford instead lol. I hope Ryan does not leave after graduating, but if he did, the only reason really I could see would be to get good playing time. Rice University just moved up to the AAC, could join Holloway and Riley who seem to be doing much better in that conference.
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kettlehill
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 7, 2023 16:20:13 GMT -5
I hate to be a bummer here, but the players may just remember that they had a 6 point lead with 1:51 to go. Also how did that 3/4 court length pass at the end get completed so easily? Their comeback was terrific and gutsy, no doubt, but they had TCU on the ropes and couldn't finish them: 3 consectutive 3s?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 7, 2023 16:21:32 GMT -5
I hate to be a bummer here, but the players may just remember that they had a 6 point lead with 1:51 to go. Also how did that 3/4 court length pass at the end Gert completed so easily? Their comeback was terrific and gutsy, no doubt, but they had TCU on the ropes and couldn't finish them: 3 consectutive 3s? While I think the players should be aware of everything that happened in the game (not just with 1:51 to go), the idea that they will remember that stuff, rather than the ending is ludicrous. Memories of feeling cheated are a lot stronger than the other stuff. At least for normal people.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Dec 7, 2023 19:51:26 GMT -5
Watch the presser. Cooley was asking the players if they needed a rest and they kept sayiing no. The players were really insync, which you don't want to disrupt and coach called that out. If players show they are tired or ask to come out, if not go with what works. The official time outs and TCU timouts were called in perfect spots to not need to have the five come out. It let the five rest and get ready to dig in and keep going. I don't know how many times you can do that. Cooley went with this quite a bit at Providence and it would work rather well. I've talked with Providence players about that and they liked it, but they also know there was good depth that when they came out the level of play would be relatively consistent and when they would reenter the game they would pick-up where they were. Cooley's focus on team and doing what is good for the team, like the extra pass and pass to setup the assist (Rowan is insanely good at this but isn't a normal publicly tracked stat (Hoyas now track it)). There are eight players who are solid contributors on the Hoyas and hopefully one or two more will prove valued. But, this is the team, the eight. Cook, Massoud, Styles, and Epps are the likely starters and the fifth spot may rotate, but wiith the starting four behind them is youth that will grow and mature. A solid eight that functions as a solid team, is an insanely great thing to see. If there are five that gel insanely well in a game and have the stamina and rest to keep going that is awesome. Likely it will be a different five or four throughout the season in games. What do you think the players are going to say? No, I’m tired and I want to get some rest? Is that what a competitor would do? Short rotations in the OCC against most opponents (because the team cannot put other teams away) is a recipe for disaster for late February and March, esp. in a league like the BE. If you say, who cares about March, then the team’s focus should be in developing all scholarship players for next year, not just five (with two of them not eligible next year). We need all 9 scholarship players as seasoned and fresh as possible for BE play. Against TCU, Cooley tightened the rotation. Five players had more than 30 mins, and Bristol, Fielder, Rowan and Ryan saw their minutes decrease or disappear. Is this what Cooley will do when we play TCU-level teams or better? Other than alleged cupcake Coppin St, that’s what the team will face the rest of the season. Good intentions and all, the main 5 will not survive the BE grind at that pace. Correct, if you have been around well coached players and good coaches, they ask the players how they are doing. If you think players aren't smart, don't understand their own capability, and haven't learned anything about being at their optimal down the crunch stretch of a game you would think a player would only say no. For the issues that top level travel basketball has one thing players on top travel teams learn is energy management when you have 3 or 4 tournament games in a day for 3 or 4 days straight, most often by sophomore year they know when to answer properly that "coach it need to sit a rotation". Top teams (travel, college, or pro) the coaches and players work on understanding when a player needs to have top energy to finish out a game. Some coaches it is 5 minutes, some 3, some 2. A player will know what they have in their tank and answer accordingly. The also know if they don't have what is needed at the end and it costs the team they will lose massive minutes. This is something learned at the high school level. This is good program team management. The bench coaches will help keep rotations fresh. But, if a group on the floor is clicking really well a good coach will continually check in and get honest input from them. Who are the top programs doing this, Randy Bennet at St. Mary's, Mark Few at Gonzaga, Wright at Villanova did it for a long time, Shaka Smart has done this since VCU, Howard at Michigan, Williams at UNC, and Krzyzewski. They players talk about it and you hear the coaches ask at games. Cooley has talked exactly about this at Providence and here with the Hoyas. He talks about having smart men who know what they can do and teaches them responsibility to the team. As to the short bench on the TCU game, you seemed to have missed the discussions before, during, and after the game about Rowan still trying to recover from being quite sick, Fielder is dealing with a lower leg / foot injury. Not sure what was up with Bristol, but he seemed to have a rough night but was seated at the top to be first in. Not sure what is going on with Ryan. For going long in the season having players in one game with a week off following put in a lot of minutes, because you are lacking a healthy bench, but more importantly the coach puts trust and responsibility on his players to know themselves and their capabilities. For TCU Cooley also talked about the long timeouts hit at perfect spots to revive players. If TCU was followed by a Tuesday game not one a week following there may have been rotations.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 7, 2023 21:32:21 GMT -5
What do you think the players are going to say? No, I’m tired and I want to get some rest? Is that what a competitor would do? Short rotations in the OCC against most opponents (because the team cannot put other teams away) is a recipe for disaster for late February and March, esp. in a league like the BE. If you say, who cares about March, then the team’s focus should be in developing all scholarship players for next year, not just five (with two of them not eligible next year). We need all 9 scholarship players as seasoned and fresh as possible for BE play. Against TCU, Cooley tightened the rotation. Five players had more than 30 mins, and Bristol, Fielder, Rowan and Ryan saw their minutes decrease or disappear. Is this what Cooley will do when we play TCU-level teams or better? Other than alleged cupcake Coppin St, that’s what the team will face the rest of the season. Good intentions and all, the main 5 will not survive the BE grind at that pace. Correct, if you have been around well coached players and good coaches, they ask the players how they are doing. If you think players aren't smart, don't understand their own capability, and haven't learned anything about being at their optimal down the crunch stretch of a game you would think a player would only say no. For the issues that top level travel basketball has one thing players on top travel teams learn is energy management when you have 3 or 4 tournament games in a day for 3 or 4 days straight, most often by sophomore year they know when to answer properly that "coach it need to sit a rotation". Top teams (travel, college, or pro) the coaches and players work on understanding when a player needs to have top energy to finish out a game. Some coaches it is 5 minutes, some 3, some 2. A player will know what they have in their tank and answer accordingly. The also know if they don't have what is needed at the end and it costs the team they will lose massive minutes. This is something learned at the high school level. This is good program team management. The bench coaches will help keep rotations fresh. But, if a group on the floor is clicking really well a good coach will continually check in and get honest input from them. Who are the top programs doing this, Randy Bennet at St. Mary's, Mark Few at Gonzaga, Wright at Villanova did it for a long time, Shaka Smart has done this since VCU, Howard at Michigan, Williams at UNC, and Krzyzewski. They players talk about it and you hear the coaches ask at games. Cooley has talked exactly about this at Providence and here with the Hoyas. He talks about having smart men who know what they can do and teaches them responsibility to the team. As to the short bench on the TCU game, you seemed to have missed the discussions before, during, and after the game about Rowan still trying to recover from being quite sick, Fielder is dealing with a lower leg / foot injury. Not sure what was up with Bristol, but he seemed to have a rough night but was seated at the top to be first in. Not sure what is going on with Ryan. For going long in the season having players in one game with a week off following put in a lot of minutes, because you are lacking a healthy bench, but more importantly the coach puts trust and responsibility on his players to know themselves and their capabilities. For TCU Cooley also talked about the long timeouts hit at perfect spots to revive players. If TCU was followed by a Tuesday game not one a week following there may have been rotations. Disagree. Let me ask you: were you one of the posters saying just before the season that we would be ok with 9 scholarship players because teams never go more than an 8-9 man rotation?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 9, 2023 8:56:25 GMT -5
Just getting to this game and first 10 minutes are missing. Great job fs1.
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Post by thedragon on Dec 9, 2023 9:58:55 GMT -5
Just getting to this game and first 10 minutes are missing. Great job fs1. Game started on fox sports app/fs2 as I remember because previous game ran long.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 9, 2023 10:05:34 GMT -5
Just getting to this game and first 10 minutes are missing. Great job fs1. FS2.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 9, 2023 10:10:39 GMT -5
Quick takeaways:
Brumbaugh: still getting his pocket picked clean for a breakaway by Nelson. This has been an ongoing problem with him since kenner regarding ball security. He does have a high dribble bringing the ball up court before lowering shoulder to a low dribble. This is a technical issue/bad habit that needs to be fixed.
Massoud: Great boxing out and positioning. Won’t show up in stats but improves rebounding for the whole team.
Last play: don’t see how that should have counted when officials reviewed the play and watched the video. They can’t claim that they didn’t notice something was wrong during the play.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Dec 9, 2023 11:16:29 GMT -5
Correct, if you have been around well coached players and good coaches, they ask the players how they are doing. If you think players aren't smart, don't understand their own capability, and haven't learned anything about being at their optimal down the crunch stretch of a game you would think a player would only say no. For the issues that top level travel basketball has one thing players on top travel teams learn is energy management when you have 3 or 4 tournament games in a day for 3 or 4 days straight, most often by sophomore year they know when to answer properly that "coach it need to sit a rotation". Top teams (travel, college, or pro) the coaches and players work on understanding when a player needs to have top energy to finish out a game. Some coaches it is 5 minutes, some 3, some 2. A player will know what they have in their tank and answer accordingly. The also know if they don't have what is needed at the end and it costs the team they will lose massive minutes. This is something learned at the high school level. This is good program team management. The bench coaches will help keep rotations fresh. But, if a group on the floor is clicking really well a good coach will continually check in and get honest input from them. Who are the top programs doing this, Randy Bennet at St. Mary's, Mark Few at Gonzaga, Wright at Villanova did it for a long time, Shaka Smart has done this since VCU, Howard at Michigan, Williams at UNC, and Krzyzewski. They players talk about it and you hear the coaches ask at games. Cooley has talked exactly about this at Providence and here with the Hoyas. He talks about having smart men who know what they can do and teaches them responsibility to the team. As to the short bench on the TCU game, you seemed to have missed the discussions before, during, and after the game about Rowan still trying to recover from being quite sick, Fielder is dealing with a lower leg / foot injury. Not sure what was up with Bristol, but he seemed to have a rough night but was seated at the top to be first in. Not sure what is going on with Ryan. For going long in the season having players in one game with a week off following put in a lot of minutes, because you are lacking a healthy bench, but more importantly the coach puts trust and responsibility on his players to know themselves and their capabilities. For TCU Cooley also talked about the long timeouts hit at perfect spots to revive players. If TCU was followed by a Tuesday game not one a week following there may have been rotations. Disagree. Let me ask you: were you one of the posters saying just before the season that we would be ok with 9 scholarship players because teams never go more than an 8-9 man rotation? I'm not even talking about the 8-9 player issue, you pointed out the coach should not ask players if they need a rest as they don't understand if they do or won't answer honestly. The 8 to 9 scholarship player issue for depth is an issue. But, it is what we currently have and Hoyas have far better players, although younger, than have had in the past. But, all coming to Georgetown said they want to learn and grow, which is why they came to play for Cooley. There are four incredibly good players coming next year. But, what we have this year is what we have this year. If you listen to any of the long time top coaches around the NCAA the reality from the change in the transfer portal is a new reality to deal with. Cooley dealt with it well at Providence. Last year's Hoya team had limited players who could contribute on this year's team and would want to work in a model that Cooley runs. There are a ton of things in life I would like different, but work with what you've got to the best of your ability. Cooley has always been really solid at being exactly that type of coach.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 9, 2023 20:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 10, 2023 12:11:21 GMT -5
Jamie Dixon has nothing on this guy.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 2, 2024 18:32:11 GMT -5
I dub thee the Georgetown Rule.
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