SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 16, 2005 22:25:12 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 16, 2005 23:54:25 GMT -5
What are the chances that these players will not be suspended from play under the UCONN code of conduct and play until they are either acquitted or found guilty by a jurry coming completely from the area around the UCONN campus?
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Post by RBHoya on Aug 17, 2005 0:26:56 GMT -5
What are the chances that these players will not be suspended from play under the UCONN code of conduct and play until they are either acquitted or found guilty by a jurry coming completely from the area around the UCONN campus? I was just about to say almost the exact same thing. Though I'm not very familiar with court preceedings in a case like this, I wouldn't be surprised if a good lawyer managed to delay the trial until after the season... is that possible? Marcus is likely gone after this year anyway. I don't know how possible it would be to be on trial and still play in games, practice, and whatever else, but I expect UConn to maintain that these guys are innocent until proven guilty, and thus eligible to play until proven guilty. And yea, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them get preferential treatment from a jury. It'd be a real mockery if it happens, but I think for now I'll just keep quiet and hope that UConn/Calhoun etc. surprise me by doing the right thing.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Aug 17, 2005 1:08:49 GMT -5
It is unbelievable that Williams could throw his whole bright future away by stealing 4 laptops and selling them. 5 years possibility in jail-say goodbye to UCONN basketball possibly if he is convicted.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 17, 2005 1:56:36 GMT -5
What does the NCAA or the Big East have to say about this?
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Aug 17, 2005 8:23:07 GMT -5
I don't know how much support Price and Williams are going to get from the UCon fan base. I know of a few Husky fans who are getting pretty fed up with this type of nonsense, and they are ticked at Calhoun for saying that the players would be exonerated. Clearly there are those in the state legislature who are not altogether pleased with the price of athletic glory in Storrs, and the ethics committee's decision on coaches receiving money from Nike may be very destructive to the future of UCon athletics on the big time level. It could blow over, but there are some dark clouds overhead.
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Post by fsohoya on Aug 17, 2005 8:43:08 GMT -5
I'm thinking back -- is Calhoun recruiting thugs a new phenomenon, or has he been doing it for a long time? It seems to be relatively recent. I don't remember his teams in the early to mid-nineties having these kinds of problems.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 17, 2005 8:53:38 GMT -5
Some U-Con reaction:
I want both of them to stay, but I want them to have a meaningful penalty for what they did. That means that Garrison and Austrie will be heavily relied on this season, especially early on.
I think getting suspended from all team activities including practice for one semester and from 10-15 games (well into January) would be a good way to start.
I know that a lot of Husky fans wants them gone, but I don't want to see them make the most of their second chance somewhere else. I want to see them do it here.
Discipline the kids and then let them back on the team. Kids do stupid things at that age. Give them a chance and if the screw up again then throw them off the team.
I don't know for sure, but I don't see expulsion as an automatic for this kind of theft. That is the most severe (and irreversable) form of punishment the school can dish out. For both MW and AJP this was a non-violent first offense, and I think that would be taken into consideration and they'd receive a more moderate punishment like suspension/probation and removal from the dorms. I would be mildly but not completely surprised if they were both expelled. BUt you're right about the dumb part.
it truly is amazing. makes you think that there are extenuating circumstances because two people can't be this stupid.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 17, 2005 10:19:12 GMT -5
I don't know how much support Price and Williams are going to get from the UCon fan base. I know of a few Husky fans who are getting pretty fed up with this type of nonsense, and they are ticked at Calhoun for saying that the players would be exonerated. Clearly there are those in the state legislature who are not altogether pleased with the price of athletic glory in Storrs, and the ethics committee's decision on coaches receiving money from Nike may be very destructive to the future of UCon athletics on the big time level. It could blow over, but there are some dark clouds overhead. I'd say the fan base is pretty split, just like ours would be. Some people are still clinging to the idea of a "prank." Others think a one game suspensions is enough. Others are playing the second chance card (as if that second chance has to be at Connecticut). Some of these are even honest: quite a few folks say that as long as they win their third title, they don't care who is on the team, and that will shut the "hatas" up. As if that's why you want them out. Still, there is a large contingent that wants them gone, so credit goes to those people for at least not worrying about their basketball team.
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Post by DuddingtonHoya on Aug 17, 2005 10:56:37 GMT -5
I'm thinking back -- is Calhoun recruiting thugs a new phenomenon, or has he been doing it for a long time? It seems to be relatively recent. I don't remember his teams in the early to mid-nineties having these kinds of problems. El-Amin must have been recruited in the mid nineties... And Jake Voskuhl, his hair certainly was criminal.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Aug 17, 2005 10:56:50 GMT -5
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Aug 17, 2005 11:37:57 GMT -5
I don't like basking in others' misfortune, but this did provide me the perfect oportunity to send an email to two UCONN (You Con) grads in my office, with links to as many articles about this as I could find. I do think this will be dealt with very honestly, after seeing how they ultimately handled the Kellogg situation. Hopefully they don't prove me wrong . . .
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 17, 2005 13:38:11 GMT -5
I don't want to keep being negative on this, but I have seen enough of how UConvict works to know that "indefinite" suspensions can later be quietly be turned into 10 meaningless OOC games or something like that.
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Post by bawlmerhoya on Aug 17, 2005 13:50:38 GMT -5
I don't love UConn, but there but for the grace of God (and Big John) go we. We played Iverson after a lot of other teams would not have touched him. I know, I know, Iverson's legal issues don't really compare to the current UCONN brewhaha. I just don't think we should get all holier than thou. We have had plenty of sketchy guys in the program throughout the years. Who was the pg who left to go to Fresno and was involved with the infamous samaurai sword pizza hold up?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 17, 2005 13:53:03 GMT -5
Nobody should be criticizing UConn for the fact that players stole laptops. Neither Price nor Williams have much in their history to say that this as a likelihood.
What we can criticize UConn about is the laxity with which they've handled some of these issues in the past. And how they handle this.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 17, 2005 13:55:00 GMT -5
I was just curious about how this would be handled under the Georgetown Student Code of Conduct.
Violating Local Laws and Statutes on or off campus is a class B violation in Georgetown's Student Code of Conduct. This is not the most severe (Class C).
However, theft over $500 is a Class C violation:
Class B and C violations - unless there is a confession - are resolved by a hearing board. The standard of proof in this hearing is that is "more likely than not" that the accused committed the offense. An appeal may be issued to a seperate appeals body where the standard of proof is that it is "clear and convincing" that the accused committed the offense.
The sanctions for such offenses cover a pretty wide range: a written reprimand, fines, work sanction, restitution, educational classes or projects, referall (in case of alcohol or drug abuse), party restriction (the loss of the ability to hold parties in your apartment or home), housing relocation, apartment living suspension, housing probation, housing suspension, housing expulsion, disciplinary probation, active university suspension, disciplinary dismissal, loss of study abroad priveleges, and the ominous sounding "other sanctions".
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 17, 2005 19:08:55 GMT -5
On the bright side for the farmers in Storrs: UConn is leading the league in steals before the season even starts. (OK, I admit - I heard that one on the radio on the way home from work)
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Post by the_way on Aug 17, 2005 19:24:21 GMT -5
On the bright side for the farmers in Storrs: UConn is leading the league in steals before the season even starts. (OK, I admit - I heard that one on the radio on the way home from work) So you mean you stole that joke? Come on, Danno? Remember, Hoyas should never and don't steal things, only UCONN Huskies do. ;D
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 17, 2005 21:06:55 GMT -5
So you mean you stole that joke? Come on, Danno? Remember, Hoyas should never and don't steal things, only UCONN Huskies do. ;D Sorry Charlie, I attributed my source right from the start.
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Post by wildhoya on Aug 18, 2005 13:30:55 GMT -5
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