daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 5, 2023 5:38:43 GMT -5
Apparently the Fairfield account is one Ed Cooley follows. If I am not mistaken, he was the team manager at Fairfield when Cooley was there. Perhaps his source is Ed himself!
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Post by trotters10 on Apr 5, 2023 8:33:15 GMT -5
That Fairfield guy's tweet is big time news, and then the follow up a few hours later that Hunter is scheduled in to visit G'Town on Thursday (pretty sure that's the same day Styles is visiting).
Looking at what he tweets about, it's mostly guys entering the portal and when they're visiting schools. He never goes off the beaten path to make wild predictions (like that Coaching Portal Twitter handle, that is wrong as many times as it is right). Cooley following him on Twitter, and him being a manager when Ed coached there --- I'd say this is a good rumor to roll with and get our hopes up! Hunter visiting us is huge as well. He already is tight with Cooley from when Ed recruited him @ Providence, and said in a podcast that he's already walked around G'Town many times having grown up just down the road. He's not visiting to meet someone he doesn't know, or visit a campus he knows nothing about. If he's visiting, I would think there's a whole other reason for it...
For all the "Hunter is a bad defender", he "plays lazy" talk, the guy is an elite scorer and a big name in College Basketball. He would create quite the buzz for us, and hopefully create some recruiting momentum. It would certainly be a front page story on ESPN. There has been very little to get excited about with this program, that I'm gonna choose to get excited about this one. Aminu was exciting. Murray committing last year was nice, but those 2 weren't proven big time CBK scorers, this is a different level of excitement to get one of the best Centers in the game.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 5, 2023 9:51:40 GMT -5
I know defensive metrics can be tricky, but Dickinson's Defensive Box Plus/Minus was substantially better than anyone on last year's team, and better than any player with significant minutes in the Ewing era. Damning with faint praise? Perhaps. But, under that metric, there's no sign that he's a bad defender.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 5, 2023 10:11:25 GMT -5
Aside from being an exceptional offensive player, I would add that Dickenson is 22, and will be 23 in November. So, he would also add an element of maturity that I think would be a good step forward. And also help the team get off the ground quickly.
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 5, 2023 10:16:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure there are many better potential floor raisers for year one than what Dickinson would provide.
I have been not been a huge fan of his due to his defense - but whether or not you can have a defense that functions at a Top 25 mark to have success at the highest level is really not the question next year. He fast tracks you to competiviness. I am also not the biggest fan of Cooley's offense - but few coaches in the country leverage low post scoring as well as he does. He turned Watson and Croswell into real forces (Bentil before) - he puts them in advantageous positions with his screening, duck-ins - not many guys (if any short of Edey) better than loading up and going to work than Dickinson. Not a coincidence that Cooley's dip at PC came in between the time Bentil left and Watson emerged as an upperclassman.
Defensively - despite maybe a lack of urgency out of him and footspeed issues - it's not like Michigan was a disaster there during his 3 years and he'd fit into what Cooley can do on that end (drop coverage, limit 3PA's - both he and Juwan have done that).
Off the court - it'd be a massive win for publicity and he'd likely attract some other talent to come play with him.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 5, 2023 10:54:15 GMT -5
Dickinson, Epps and Styles would be a great start to the portal hunting. I would feel really good about next season being competitive and maybe caring about March basketball.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 5, 2023 11:00:00 GMT -5
If he's visiting, I would think there's a whole other reason for it... I suspect the big question will be what we can do for him NIL-wise. Remember when we used to find out that a recruit was visiting and check the weather forecast hoping it would be a nice sunny day when he toured campus? I think those days are gone. A guy at Dickinson's level is not choosing his next school based on how he feels about the campus and he is not leaving Michigan because he's concerned about facilities. It's all going to come down to a) his relationship with the coach and how confident he feels that that coach can help his professional prospects and b) how much NIL money we can assure him. We know Cooley rates pretty highly with him on point A. Hopefully we are able to tell him what he wants to hear on B and we can lock this up. And if we can land Styles (who I liked a lot out of high school when Ewing was recruiting him) too, we'll be in a great place and a point guard away from competing at a high level again.
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Apr 5, 2023 12:45:57 GMT -5
If he's visiting, I would think there's a whole other reason for it... I suspect the big question will be what we can do for him NIL-wise. Remember when we used to find out that a recruit was visiting and check the weather forecast hoping it would be a nice sunny day when he toured campus? I think those days are gone. A guy at Dickinson's level is not choosing his next school based on how he feels about the campus and he is not leaving Michigan because he's concerned about facilities. It's all going to come down to a) his relationship with the coach and how confident he feels that that coach can help his professional prospects and b) how much NIL money we can assure him. We know Cooley rates pretty highly with him on point A. Hopefully we are able to tell him what he wants to hear on B and we can lock this up. And if we can land Styles (who I liked a lot out of high school when Ewing was recruiting him) too, we'll be in a great place and a point guard away from competing at a high level again. Would love this for all reasons mentioned, particularly the speed it can get us to respectable. My one thought is if you have 8 open slots is spending a large chunk of your NIL on one guy a wise move? In most years it probably makes sense, but we have so many slots to fill. I suppose you optimize your NIL spend for court minutes and not slots, but still we will need bodies. Either way if it happens, I will celebrate.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 5, 2023 12:54:52 GMT -5
While I am generally not a fan of "momentum" in sports (as I think it's often really statistical noise/luck more than anything else), one area where I definitely think it matters is recruiting. New coaches at new programs often benefit from a boost--new team, new place, selling something new, etc. If a new coach can get one or two good recruits/transfers, it helps set the table. Dickinson is the type of guy who will draw other talent to want to play with him. It can snowball quickly, so getting Dickinson really would be more important than simply his own stats.
The other major momentum-creating element for recruiting can be the NCAA Tournament. Georgetown experienced that under JT3, where his early success led to a string of some really good recruiting wins (even if sometimes those wins didn't pan out as we liked on court), with guys like Macklin, Monroe, Wright, Freeman, Summers, etc. I am getting ahead of myself, but the point is Dickinson would really set the stage nicely.
The other notable thing about Dickinson is that he's clearly going to get a good NIL payout somewhere. If he comes to Georgetown, it's an indication Georgetown is willing to play in the NIL sandbox, perhaps to a greater extent than all of us would have expected.
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Post by trotters10 on Apr 5, 2023 13:11:02 GMT -5
While I am generally not a fan of "momentum" in sports (as I think it's often really statistical noise/luck more than anything else), one area where I definitely think it matters is recruiting. New coaches at new programs often benefit from a boost--new team, new place, selling something new, etc. If a new coach can get one or two good recruits/transfers, it helps set the table. Dickinson is the type of guy who will draw other talent to want to play with him. It can snowball quickly, so getting Dickinson really would be more important than simply his own stats. The other major momentum-creating element for recruiting can be the NCAA Tournament. Georgetown experienced that under JT3, where his early success led to a string of some really good recruiting wins (even if sometimes those wins didn't pan out as we liked on court), with guys like Macklin, Monroe, Wright, Freeman, Summers, etc. I am getting ahead of myself, but the point is Dickinson would really set the stage nicely. The other notable thing about Dickinson is that he's clearly going to get a good NIL payout somewhere. If he comes to Georgetown, it's an indication Georgetown is willing to play in the NIL sandbox, perhaps to a greater extent than all of us would have expected. On the NIL point, Georgetown better be prepared to play in the sandbox if they're paying a coach 6M dollars (plus buyouts on top of that). It would be pretty silly to pay all that money, but also skimp out on NIL. With that being said, Lee Reed seems like a pretty smart guy, and I doubt Cooley would've came here if our NIL game was going to be "just okay". So, I do think we are in the game when it comes to NIL, especially if we're in the mix for Hunter. By all reports, the NIL number will be around 1M for him.
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Post by nbhoya on Apr 5, 2023 13:21:59 GMT -5
Anyone know how NIL “donations” from individuals to collectives are taxed?
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2023 13:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Apr 5, 2023 13:53:16 GMT -5
Anyone know how NIL “donations” from individuals to collectives are taxed? They are a corporate sales and marketing expense
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 5, 2023 14:57:05 GMT -5
Would love this for all reasons mentioned, particularly the speed it can get us to respectable. My one thought is if you have 8 open slots is spending a large chunk of your NIL on one guy a wise move? In most years it probably makes sense, but we have so many slots to fill. I suppose you optimize your NIL spend for court minutes and not slots, but still we will need bodies. Either way if it happens, I will celebrate. Maybe, hard to say for sure without really knowing the numbers, ie. how big is our NIL pot, what % of that is Dickinson looking for, and what are other less heralded transfers (ie. the guys who will fill out our bench) looking for? On the surface it might be worthwhile--of the major sports basketball is usually the one where one dominant player can make the most impact, and Dickinson figures to be one of the 5 best big men in the country next year. If we can land a quality point guard and a solid wing, plug in competent holdovers like Heath and Akok, start the bench with Fielder, Bristol and Mutombo, and then add a couple of others from the portal who are not making NIL demands, we might be fine. And it might be worth the one time investment in Dickinson to get some positive publicity and re-establish ourselves in the area, hopefully leading to more players to come. On the other hand, one big NIL guy with only a little NIL money sprinkled elsewhere was basically the structure of last year's team and we saw how that went. If you give one player big NIL money and that player's main focus is on padding his stats and improving his draft stock, it certainly opens up the door to team chemistry issues. It's a difficult needle to thread, in that you want to be giving out NIL resources that allow you to attract top tier talent (which Dickinson absolutely is), but if the distribution across the team is imbalanced you risk team cohesion and could see more of what we saw last year where you've got 1 or 2 guys playing 38 minutes a night of hero ball in between talking down to their teammates. For now at least, have to trust Cooley to make the right move, just hope we are resourced to fund the big acquisitions if that's where he wants to go.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 5, 2023 15:03:11 GMT -5
Anyone know how NIL “donations” from individuals to collectives are taxed? They are a corporate sales and marketing expense I don’t disagree, but that would require that the recipient actually do something tangible, correct? Did anyone see Brandon Murray’s name, image, or likeness used for any purpose?
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Post by trotters10 on Apr 5, 2023 15:07:51 GMT -5
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've read Georgetown's NIL stands somewhere around 2.5M (I suspect it's climbed a bit though). I've also read we're one of the highest schools when it comes to NIL. I'm really not sure what "one of the highest" exactly means though. Top 10? Top 20? Top 50? I don't follow all the other teams enough to know what a Kansas, or Kentucky's NIL is. And on the topic of NIL, does anyone know if it's capped out? I really haven't dug into it enough to know all the specifics...
Asking our posters to refrain from posting uncorroborated figures like this. If you have "read" this, publish a source. If not, don't say it. People read this web site and before long it gets carried out of control. --Admin
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Post by prhoya on Apr 5, 2023 15:13:15 GMT -5
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've read Georgetown's NIL stands somewhere around 2.5M (I suspect it's climbed a bit though). I've also read we're one of the highest schools when it comes to NIL. I'm really not sure what "one of the highest" exactly means though. Top 10? Top 20? Top 50? I don't follow all the other teams enough to know what a Kansas, or Kentucky's NIL is. And on the topic of NIL, does anyone know if it's capped out? I really haven't dug into it enough to know all the specifics... Asking our posters to refrain from posting uncorroborated figures like this. If you have "read" this, publish a source. If not, don't say it. People read this web site and before long it gets carried out of control. --AdminLooking forward to how it increases after we start winning…
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2023 15:21:46 GMT -5
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've read Georgetown's NIL stands somewhere around 2.5M (I suspect it's climbed a bit though). I've also read we're one of the highest schools when it comes to NIL. I'm really not sure what "one of the highest" exactly means though. Top 10? Top 20? Top 50? I don't follow all the other teams enough to know what a Kansas, or Kentucky's NIL is. And on the topic of NIL, does anyone know if it's capped out? I really haven't dug into it enough to know all the specifics... Asking our posters to refrain from posting uncorroborated figures like this. If you have "read" this, publish a source. If not, don't say it. People read this web site and before long it gets carried out of control. --AdminIt is my understanding that NIL cannot be "capped" out as it is the intellectual property of the athlete as pointed out earlier by another poster. Thus, I conclude that the NCAA cannot put a cap on the dollar value of any of its athletes since it belongs to that athlete. This could potentially be a major issue for many athletes as they grow their brand and NIL. NIL is nothing but intellectual property, so ensuring proper legal protection for an athlete's brand is paramount. Let's say a basketball player begins selling clothing and developed a specific logo for that. Nobody thinks to file for any trademark protections at the beginning, and the brand continues to grow in popularity and become more and more profitable. This only spawns knock-offs and copycats trying to make a quick buck off of the brand that they had nothing to do with, and without proper trademark protections in place, protecting that brand becomes a herculean effort. www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/trademark/1102746/ncaa-name-image-and-likeness-nil-policy-brings-opportunities-and-legal-challenges-for-college-athletes
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2023 16:28:23 GMT -5
OK, this thread is about Ed Cooley 2023 Hoya recruiting, not relitigating the past. I'll be moving a few posts.
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 5, 2023 16:41:35 GMT -5
Sounds like Lampkin was told he's not the Hoyas #1 option. Highly doubt he's coming. Dickinson appears to be option 1,2 and 3 for Cooley at C at the moment. Let's hope we find the NIL bag we'll need. What are basing your thoughts on? Has there been more information on Lampkin? Any information on Dickinson since he hit the portal? Does Hunter Dickinson have one or two years of eligibility left?
Is there any chance that Primo and/or Brandon decide to come back (I know they are in the portal)? Does Ed want them back?
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