prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 24, 2023 14:54:14 GMT -5
But at Georgetown we have not done that. Bill Howze doesn't have connections and isn't helping to recruit anyone. He is just supporting our Chief of Staff aka his best buddy. Likewise the Assistant DoBO is a position that could be used to help a young alum start to build a resume, but we have given that position to Pat Ewing Jr's best friend. And whatever the misc. support role that we had Ewing Jr.'s little brother in is something that could have been used for a young alum too. At times I think the Dawg Talk guys get a little too carried away with "keeping it in the family" rhetoric, because you need to assemble the strongest management team possible and that may or may not involve alumni in every role. But we could definitely be using some of these roles better than we are currently. Exactly. While I think the next coach must come from outside any relation to the Thompsons or Ronny (there simply is nobody qualified who fits that bill, but also because we need a changed outlook), and I think the new coach will likely need to select three assistants with no connection, too, jobs like DOBO are really meant to cultivate former players and get people involved. While not crucial jobs (in the same way the assistant and head coaching position are), they are good ways to keep people involved. This is how you develop a coaching tree. To his credit, John Thompson III began doing this a little bit, getting Ewing Jr. and Wallace involved. But that has really disappeared with Ewing. For what it's worth, I don't know Howze, and so I cannot speak to his character or integrity. But, that's really not the issue. The bigger issue is that without Ronny--who is definitely not qualified to be chief of staff of a program of our caliber after his failures at Ball State--Howze would have never gotten the job. It's more about Ronny, than Howze. The Dawg Talk guys definitely get carried away sometimes in ways that seem self-serving (especially Braswell, though I appreciate his continued passion for the university), but I get where they are coming from too, so I don't fully blame them. I just don't think that the answer is to fill the staff with Georgetown alumni from the Esherick and JT3 era. And frankly, we are getting to the point where even Wright (and especially Braswell) aren't recent alumni...(even if Braswell finished his degree recently!). Link please.
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jackofjoy
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Post by jackofjoy on Jan 24, 2023 14:55:48 GMT -5
Obviously not advocating for this, but anyone NOT think this team with Braswell as the head coach (and Wright asst) could win at least 5 BE games?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 24, 2023 15:00:29 GMT -5
Obviously not advocating for this, but anyone NOT think this team with Braswell as the head coach (and Wright asst) could win at least 5 BE games? Why Braswell? Reggie, the Harbin maintenance guy, could get that many with this roster. “Hey, Reggie!”
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 24, 2023 15:12:14 GMT -5
Exactly. While I think the next coach must come from outside any relation to the Thompsons or Ronny (there simply is nobody qualified who fits that bill, but also because we need a changed outlook), and I think the new coach will likely need to select three assistants with no connection, too, jobs like DOBO are really meant to cultivate former players and get people involved. While not crucial jobs (in the same way the assistant and head coaching position are), they are good ways to keep people involved. This is how you develop a coaching tree. To his credit, John Thompson III began doing this a little bit, getting Ewing Jr. and Wallace involved. But that has really disappeared with Ewing. For what it's worth, I don't know Howze, and so I cannot speak to his character or integrity. But, that's really not the issue. The bigger issue is that without Ronny--who is definitely not qualified to be chief of staff of a program of our caliber after his failures at Ball State--Howze would have never gotten the job. It's more about Ronny, than Howze. The Dawg Talk guys definitely get carried away sometimes in ways that seem self-serving (especially Braswell, though I appreciate his continued passion for the university), but I get where they are coming from too, so I don't fully blame them. I just don't think that the answer is to fill the staff with Georgetown alumni from the Esherick and JT3 era. And frankly, we are getting to the point where even Wright (and especially Braswell) aren't recent alumni...(even if Braswell finished his degree recently!). Link please. Here is the direct link. http://instagram.com/p/CnzXXjlqqLv
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Post by thedragon on Jan 24, 2023 17:14:29 GMT -5
Really solid watch.
Braswell's honesty was REFRESHING as hell. He ran the bus over Ronnie, but with actual first-hand stories, not just anecdotes and innuendo.
Bras has not so quietly been lobbying for a spot on staff for a bit (and he admits as much during this chat), so I don't pretend there isnt an agenda to some degree, but it also is telling with some of his interactions with staff how broken the program is. Irv and Jr. as the gatekeepers to Pat. Waheed making excuses for not going hard after certain local kids. Not getting the simple text back from Ronnie to use the gym for a workout. The fact that Crouch (who I hold in high esteem as man/mentor) with no resume outside of being a local personal skills coach was added, while Braswell who has years of both playing and coaching experience couldnt even get a sniff - is a microchosm of where we are as a program today.
The one silver lining to all this losing is the facade of shrouded secrecy is slowly being chipped away. Whether its guys like Chris, Austin, Henry or Dejaun speaking up for change. Or someone like Braswell saying "Ronnie is only in it for Ronnie" are things that never wouldve never been uttered in better (or simply mediocre) times. My hope is that hitting rock-bottom will bring some renewed vigor to melding the alumni back into the mix and helping recreate a proper culture for the next coach/staff.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 24, 2023 17:24:02 GMT -5
Our new coach needs to clean house and bring in his own staff. Alumni are free to interview for positions.
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 24, 2023 17:51:31 GMT -5
JTIII hired Howze - and then fired him.
JTIII always kept Ronny at an arms distance from the program.
Sums it up. Somehow we fired the smart brother, and brought back the other - who on top of it all is not a nice person by almost all accounts.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 24, 2023 18:47:33 GMT -5
The one silver lining to all this losing is the facade of shrouded secrecy is slowly being chipped away. Whether its guys like Chris, Austin, Henry or Dejaun speaking up for change. Or someone like Braswell saying "Ronnie is only in it for Ronnie" are things that never wouldve never been uttered in better (or simply mediocre) times. My hope is that hitting rock-bottom will bring some renewed vigor to melding the alumni back into the mix and helping recreate a proper culture for the next coach/staff. Call it respect, apprehension, fear, or some combination of all three, the former presence of the big man in the corner office kept a lot of former players from speaking freely.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 24, 2023 18:52:32 GMT -5
The one silver lining to all this losing is the facade of shrouded secrecy is slowly being chipped away. Whether its guys like Chris, Austin, Henry or Dejaun speaking up for change. Or someone like Braswell saying "Ronnie is only in it for Ronnie" are things that never wouldve never been uttered in better (or simply mediocre) times. My hope is that hitting rock-bottom will bring some renewed vigor to melding the alumni back into the mix and helping recreate a proper culture for the next coach/staff. Call it respect, apprehension, fear, or some combination of all three, the former presence of the big man in the corner office kept a lot of former players from speaking freely. Large Father was not to be messed with. Jack remains posthumously cowed by Big John…
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Post by DallasHoya on Jan 24, 2023 18:56:06 GMT -5
JTIII hired Howze - and then fired him. JTIII always kept Ronny at an arms distance from the program. Sums it up. Somehow we fired the smart brother, and brought back the other - who on top of it all is not a nice person by almost all accounts. It's like the Don was followed by Fredo and not Michael.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 24, 2023 22:30:49 GMT -5
I want to know why “one and a half.” DM if necessary…
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 25, 2023 8:47:45 GMT -5
JTIII hired Howze - and then fired him. JTIII always kept Ronny at an arms distance from the program. Sums it up. Somehow we fired the smart brother, and brought back the other - who on top of it all is not a nice person by almost all accounts. EXACTLY!!! We kept the loser. I haven't met a single person who likes Ronny. Everyone says the same thing. Fake tough guy, road Dad's coattails, concerned only about himself. Good points made on this thread. The DOBO is simply an issue of who should be in that role. The job should go to a young up & comer. Nobody does it the way we do and that shows. Big John didn't really have a coaching tree as everything was kept in house. The best you can point to is Jaren Jackson, Broadnax (and I am sure someone will point out a person I missed). That has implications. Knight had a lot of former players & staffers go onto head jobs. Obviously coach K & Izzo too. Nolan Richardson did. I am not sure about John Cheney but the point is we didn't really cultivate anyone that went onto success elsewhere. We need to get that started and the Dawgtalk guys make good points about having some people that know what it is like to function as a player at Gtown which is unique in and of itself. Tyler Adams, Freeman, Jon Wallace, Braswell have all done some coaching/scouting work in different places. I am sure there are others out there who could fill a role that currently is occupied by someone well into their 50's who should not be affiliated with a major BE program.
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Post by Thomas on Jan 25, 2023 10:24:56 GMT -5
I want to know why “one and a half.” DM if necessary… No need for a DM, I'm assuming ONE AND A HALF is RONNY THOMPSON because he is only half of the person JTIII is!! I watched a lot of the Dawg Talk interview and the funniest thing about that is, Braswell seemed indicate that Big John is the one who gave Ronny that name! This shows that ANYONE can get it from Big John, even his own son!! LOL Also, I need to add my 2 cents on why the program is loyal to Howze(sorry, if you guys mentioned this) but Howze was the head coach at Archbishop Carroll in D.C. and had them in an upward trajectory at the time Ronny hired him to be his assistant at Ball State. I'm guessing Ronny/Big John felt they owed Howze because he left the Carroll job to follow Ronny to Ball State and they got fired after 1 season. Howze has been tied to Georgetown program ever since.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 25, 2023 10:45:22 GMT -5
I want to know why “one and a half.” DM if necessary… No need for a DM, I'm assuming ONE AND A HALF is RONNY THOMPSON because he is only half of the person JTIII is!! I watched a lot of the Dawg Talk interview and the funniest thing about that is, Braswell seemed indicate that Big John is the one who gave Ronny that name! This shows that ANYONE can get it from Big John, even his own son!! LOL Also, I need to add my 2 cents on why the program is loyal to Howze(sorry, if you guys mentioned this) but Howze was the head coach at Archbishop Carroll in D.C. and had them in an upward trajectory at the time Ronny hired him to be his assistant at Ball State. I'm guessing Ronny/Big John felt they owed Howze because he left the Carroll job to follow Ronny to Ball State and they got fired after 1 season. Howze has been tied to Georgetown program ever since. Good point Thomas. That however is a Ronny problem, not a Georgetown problem. That also is a Howze problem for hitching his wagon to the wrong guy.
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