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Post by justsaying on Apr 29, 2022 12:11:40 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/basketball-player-holding-miami-booster-hostage-and-it-s-the-ncaa-s-fault-opinion/ar-AAWK2VE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c5082dc730294a968fe22e9300a39454A lot of "good" coaches are contemplating their place in college basketball at this time. The article above is NIL related but also has to do with transfers and how it relates to GU basketball. The transfer portal is out of control as many good coaches are starting to lament because many other programs are paying players (legally?) fairly decent sums of money to play at their school. Many players (even those that are GU) are seeking a payout for themselves (can't blame them) and given the current state of college basketball and this is rightfully so. Families with a son at this time talented enough to play division 1 at any level (some rate then as stars, any star level) monetary incentives would be one reasons to consider that school, again rightfully so ("current state of the game"). Which brings us to GU, "good" coach, "good" school but unless GU, boosters, alumni, associates, ... etc... etc participate fully in the game that has been dealt by the NCAA, it does not matter who the coach is, Coach Ew, some other coach, it will not matter if GU continue to try to conduct themselves as one of the "good" ones. "Good" intended here is meant in the manner of "as above the current fray that has been dealt". So many of you can continue to say another coach, many of you can say we need Coach Ew, it will not matter who the coach is if GU remains in the "good" realm. So any current lamentations that any of you have will continue at this time until the GU/program shifts it's athlete's financial offerings, Many of you will waste days hoping for that next program changing recruit and continue to add to the thread "Current State of GU Basketball" then again "hope" is a wonderful thing.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 29, 2022 14:54:21 GMT -5
The college game we remember is dead and buried. All business now.
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Post by conshyhoya on Apr 29, 2022 15:16:38 GMT -5
I saw an article that Isaiah Wong said if he doesn't get more NIL compensation from Miami he is entering the transfer portal. Not sure this is what they intended when introducing NIL.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 29, 2022 15:22:23 GMT -5
I saw an article that Isaiah Wong said if he doesn't get more NIL compensation from Miami he is entering the transfer portal. Not sure this is what they intended when introducing NIL. Good for him, actually. They just brought in another guard from K St. for 400,000 per year. The U can reap what it sows.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 29, 2022 16:03:11 GMT -5
The college game we remember is dead and buried. All business now. It always was a business. The fake morality and pretending like it wasn't is dead now. Glad for these kids. Pay up.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 29, 2022 16:13:08 GMT -5
The college game we remember is dead and buried. All business now. It always was a business. The fake morality and pretending like it wasn't is dead now. Glad for these kids. Pay up. Yes, it was always a business. One can’t run a program without treating it like a business. The difference is that it wasn’t always so craven, and basketball wasn’t just an adjunct of the school but was more part of it. Television dollars are the most obvious cause and it’s perhaps true that many of the schools had this coming. But let’s not pretend there weren’t better days just because the college game is now a professional one.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 29, 2022 20:14:08 GMT -5
Justsaying is right. If we don't adapt and choose to portray ourselves as above the fray, we will be left in the dust. Sort of like being above the fray by electing to retain a coach who lost 20 straight games, while other coaches with far superior resumes (hard to be worse) were shown the door.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 29, 2022 22:39:16 GMT -5
Can’t keep crying about Ewing being here. That’s a given now. We have hired two strong assistants that can recruit the DMV and beyond. We are upgrading talent. I finally have hope for next season.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 30, 2022 0:04:40 GMT -5
It always was a business. The fake morality and pretending like it wasn't is dead now. Glad for these kids. Pay up. Yes, it was always a business. One can’t run a program without treating it like a business. The difference is that it wasn’t always so craven, and basketball wasn’t just an adjunct of the school but was more part of it. Television dollars are the most obvious cause and it’s perhaps true that many of the schools had this coming. But let’s not pretend there weren’t better days just because the college game is now a professional one. This is what I mean. There weren't better days. There was the illusion of a culture that you strongly believed in. We have a bajillion examples of how dirty and corrupt the "college game" is and has always been, but when the veil is lifted and there's a system (albeit flawed) in place to divert some of these dollars to "student-athletes" who have literal sweat equity in a billion dollar business we start crying about the "good ol days". It's a new day. Deal with it. Grassroots basketball is in the midst of a transformation. Overtime Elite is a real thing. There will be more avenues. This is the NCAA making their last ditch attempt to survive. I wonder how much fan engagement Georgetown Basketball would have in a world where the NCAA one day suddenly resembled D3-level basketball. I'm sure you'd all be throwing a fits online about the men's basketball coach whose previous job was an Arlington County HS Coach and our roster mirrored Marymount's current one.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 30, 2022 0:50:31 GMT -5
I wish we will lived in a world where there were no athletic scholarships handed out and GU held basketball tryouts.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 30, 2022 0:51:26 GMT -5
The college game we remember is dead and buried. All business now. It always was a business. The fake morality and pretending like it wasn't is dead now. Glad for these kids. Pay up. It wasn't always a business but it has been for quite a long while. That said, the primary motivations are now allowed to be talked about. And, apparently, some are uncomfortable with it but people and schools will come around eventually. Sadly, I expect Georgetown to be among the slowest to adapt as we've clung to the "quality of the education" part that is attractive to fewer and fewer players as time has passed. I'm old enough to still think that some of the guys should prioritize the education more than they, apparently, do. But, with so many leagues and options for making a living doing what they love, it's tough to make that argument or continue to hold that belief. I just don't want our guys to find themselves without a job playing ball and also not having a degree. More options to find success for all Hoyas, in a vacuum, is my preference. And, IMO, a degree is more reliable than hoping that you don't get injured. That said, I don't begrudge any of our Hoyas jumping early or looking to make a living doing what they love. I just hope that some of them go the Jeff Green route. I would hope that the undergrad business school would start pushing a sports management major for athletes so inclined to possibly pursue an agenting/management career when they call it a wrap on their basketball careers.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 30, 2022 1:45:54 GMT -5
It always was a business. The fake morality and pretending like it wasn't is dead now. Glad for these kids. Pay up. It wasn't always a business but it has been for quite a long while. That said, the primary motivations are now allowed to be talked about. And, apparently, some are uncomfortable with it but people and schools will come around eventually. Sadly, I expect Georgetown to be among the slowest to adapt as we've clung to the "quality of the education" part that is attractive to fewer and fewer players as time has passed. I'm old enough to still think that some of the guys should prioritize the education more than they, apparently, do. But, with so many leagues and options for making a living doing what they love, it's tough to make that argument or continue to hold that belief. I just don't want our guys to find themselves without a job playing ball and also not having a degree. More options to find success for all Hoyas, in a vacuum, is my preference. And, IMO, a degree is more reliable than hoping that you don't get injured. That said, I don't begrudge any of our Hoyas jumping early or looking to make a living doing what they love. I just hope that some of them go the Jeff Green route. I would hope that the undergrad business school would start pushing a sports management major for athletes so inclined to possibly pursue an agenting/management career when they call it a wrap on their basketball careers. You ever heard of John Wooden? When wasn't it a business? The 30s? What's the Jeff Green route? Didn't he leave college a year early to play professional basketball when he'd reached max earning potential, and then use the same option to finish school on his own like they all have? Why do some of you want to pretend so much about what these guys are doing post career? I don't understand. Let's say Aminu left his name in the draft. If he wanted to, he could return and finish out his credits and he can also do whatever else he wants to do, including pursuing a professional basketball career. I'm sure he'll have options and we won't be talking about poor Aminu working the night shift at a parking garage in 5 years. I also don't understand why you and so many others rush to connect dots between the transfer portal and it's presumed threat to "education". Should I pull you a list of kids who are going to walk the stage in a month AND also had NIL situations this year? I don't think some of you guys understand how smug and pretentious it comes across to start crying about ethics when avenues for kids to start profiting off of their equity opens, and not just the "reward" of a college scholarship and how much of a "privilege" it is. Especially considering the demographics of the 2 big NCAA cash cows in football and basketball. Education my ass. Those who seek it going down this path...will always afford the opportunity to do so. Surely Isaiah Wong could afford a semester at the school of his choice with that 200K he made this year if he decided to quit basketball today right? The future is now old man. The boomers don't have a choice but to get used to it.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 30, 2022 9:52:08 GMT -5
This seems like a NIL discussion, not a transfer portal discussion.
About the transfer portal itself: if I was a coach, I would urge my players to put their names in every single year if they still have their one free transfer left. It allows them to see their worth, hear from other coaches how they think they can be improved, and lets them get the most out of their playing abilities. Obviously you have to re-recruit the players every time but I'd rather be coming from a position where I expect that rather then ignoring them (well focusing on other recruits) until they decide to put their name out there. Plus it allows a coach that does this to actively recruit the portal at every position without Editeding off guys for being "loyal".
Times are changing, I dont like it but we need to take advantage. It sure seems like Pat is trying to, hopefully this sticks for him.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 30, 2022 10:25:51 GMT -5
Think GU is playing the game better than 95% of the programs in the nation if we have landed a 5 and 4 star last year (Aminu and Riley respectively), following up with too 10 transfer player in Murray with another 5 star (Ward) looking to come in.
Again, as also witnessed at Memphis this year, talent does not automatically translate into performance
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 30, 2022 10:38:52 GMT -5
Think GU is playing the game better than 95% of the programs in the nation if we have landed a 5 and 4 star last year (Aminu and Riley respectively), following up with too 10 transfer player in Murray with another 5 star (Ward) looking to come in. Again, as also witnessed at Memphis this year, talent does not automatically translate into performance Forget the nation how do they stack up against their BE peers in your opinion? To me, that's all that matters. Being better than 95% of the nation doesn't mean much if Gtown is 8th or below in the conference.
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Post by EtomicB on May 5, 2022 7:33:57 GMT -5
This is what happens to many of players who are in the portal right now especially at the HM level. This narrative that’s pushed that kids can’t handle adversity is garbage. Beard handled this the same way you see GM’s handle cuts on Hard Knocks. dailyorange.com/2020/12/texas-tech-transfer-josh-mballa-one-of-buffalo-top-players/So when Mballa walked into Beard’s office, he wasn’t surprised to hear it’d be in his best interest to transfer. The head coach said he didn’t envision Mballa’s role to be much larger than the previous season, even though he wouldn’t be surprised if Mballa “transferred to another school and (became) a big player,” Mballa recalled. Beard left his office, leaving Lefevre to walk Mballa through his options.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 5, 2022 7:58:30 GMT -5
Coaches are under a lot of pressure to win. With winning comes revenue, visibility, donations, etc.
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Post by EtomicB on May 5, 2022 8:43:06 GMT -5
Coaches are under a lot of pressure to win. With winning comes revenue, visibility, donations, etc. Again you’re making excuses for the coaches, more to the point you’re making excuses for the adults in the room…
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Post by prhoya on May 5, 2022 9:06:50 GMT -5
Coaches are under a lot of pressure to win. Not at Georgetown…
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 5, 2022 9:26:46 GMT -5
Coaches are under a lot of pressure to win. With winning comes revenue, visibility, donations, etc. Again you’re making excuses for the coaches, more to the point you’re making excuses for the adults in the room… If a college player is receiving NIL money, he’s a professional athlete. The basketball players on our team are receiving a free ride because they can dribble a ball. If it turns out they can’t dribble well, I’m happy to see them leave for a better fit. Like failing out academically.
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