vv83
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,326
Member is Online
|
Post by vv83 on Apr 20, 2022 22:54:16 GMT -5
I think there is a good chance that Wright realized that the combo of NIL and free transfer was going to make it very tough for him to continue to use his culture-based program building approach nearly as effectively. Fewer 4 star recruits were going to be satisfied with limited (or zero) laying time as freshmen. Some were going to transfer after sitting as freshmen. Villanova is not well positioned to compete in the power conference state school NIL game for 4 and especially 5 star recruits. the Villanova plan is going to be much tougher to execute moving forward, and I would not be surprised if Wright was not interested in changing his approach to emphasize transfer/NIL focused recruiting. It is tough to do the culture building Wright depended on when you have players leaving regularly, rather than "waiting their turn" to be core players as juniors and seniors. Plugging the holes with transfers who need to play right away, but have not yet internalized the desired culture - is tough, and very different from the way wright has won.
Maybe Villanova (or some other similar kind of program) will succeed with the player development/culture building approach. but I think it is more likely that the vast majority of successful programs will be doing primarily year-to-year program builds, with lots of transfers going in and out. The strongest programs will also be using NIL opportunities as a critical element of recruiting
None of this bodes well for Georgetown either - but it seems that Ewing is heading in this new direction pretty aggressively, at least on the transfer element. No guarantees whatsoever of success - but if Wright is bailing on the player development/culture building approach, it is probably the right move for Ewing to be bailing on it as well!
This begs the question of whether Georgetown fans will enjoy rooting for a transfer/NIL (if we are lucky!) focused program moving forward. We are likely to have a lot of one or two year players, half the roster turning over most years, etc. that kind of team may well not be as much fun to root for as a winning team built through player development and culture. But Ewing has failed at the player development/culture approach, so it makes sense that he is shifting. And no matter the approach - no team that goes 0-20 in conference is fun to root for. Hopefully we'll at least start winning with the new approach (again, limited confidence on this point) - but without the winning, the approach does not really matter. Unless the program wants to give up on real relevance, and accept life as a perennial loser that 'does things the right way'. Because I think that teams that resist the transfer/NIL culture for ethical/educational philosophy related reasons are highly unlikely to do a whole lot of winning at the major conference level moving forward.
|
|
Bigs"R"Us
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,642
|
Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 20, 2022 23:31:33 GMT -5
Tonight we honored Carey and Rice who were at GU for only one and two years, respectively.
|
|
Elvado
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 10,485
|
Post by Elvado on Apr 21, 2022 4:49:17 GMT -5
Happy to see him go.
Hope Kyle Neptune is Gene Bartow…
Huge props for not sponsoring a Count Chocula Fellatathon on his way out the door.
|
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 18,312
|
Post by SSHoya on Apr 21, 2022 4:57:03 GMT -5
I have some faith in Neptune to keep the power relevant although I am not sure about a consistent contender. His showing at Fordham albeit one season shows that he seems to know what he is doing and can get more out of less. On the topic of this hurting the league... some school way out West can certainly help the status and them being in a big league could possibly aid their NIL output for players A good couple of weeks for Neptunes!
|
|
dense
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,007
|
Post by dense on Apr 21, 2022 6:16:48 GMT -5
Unless there us some medical or family reasoning, I'm sure this is because if the new landscape of basketball. Jay Wright loves sitting guys for a year. Thats not gonna work anymore.
|
|
bluegray79
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,091
|
Post by bluegray79 on Apr 21, 2022 6:38:04 GMT -5
This timing feels weird no? Why wait this late? Was wondering the same thing and then thought it would be like Jay Wright to see the Coach K retirement train roaring around the country and prefer to let him have his day. Fits with what almost everyone perceives Jay Wright to be: humble, modest, classy, and now showing the ultimate example of how it's not all about him. I agree that it's a huge loss for college basketball and the Big East. I also agree that he may be looking at the NIL landscape and future of college ball and seeing it's not where he wants to be. I've hated Nova since '85, but I have always thought Jay Wright is one of those rare combos of talent, generosity, and vision in college basketball. I wish him the best in whatever comes next.
|
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 18,312
|
Post by SSHoya on Apr 21, 2022 6:42:52 GMT -5
Raftery turning 79 and Jay Wright first in the article to offer birthday wishes - coincidence? The college sports world is celebrating one of the best analysts the game has ever seen: Bill Raftery. The former college basketball coach and current analyst turned 79 years old on Tuesday. Given his close ties with the basketball world, it was no surprise to see coaches, analysts and reporters come out to celebrate him. “Happy Birthday to an outstanding Coach and legendary TV personality – Bill Raftery,” Villanova head coach Jay Wright said. “Coach Raf’s genuineness and character are truly unmatched.” thespun.com/college-hoops/college-basketball-world-pays-tribute-to-bill-raftery
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,904
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 21, 2022 6:56:18 GMT -5
Unless there us some medical or family reasoning, I'm sure this is because if the new landscape of basketball. Jay Wright loves sitting guys for a year. Thats not gonna work anymore. Outside of Bridges he didn't sit kids for development reasons, they were all injuries or academics(Spellman) or transfers.
|
|
calhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,352
|
Post by calhoya on Apr 21, 2022 7:10:51 GMT -5
Big loss for the Big East. I have always found it hard to dislike the coach as his demeanor just seemed very low key and he was always gracious regardless of the outcome of the game. His teams' performance the past several years helped keep the conference relevant while some schools like Georgetown and St. John's had several poor seasons.
|
|
cas92
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 290
|
Post by cas92 on Apr 21, 2022 7:24:40 GMT -5
This timing feels weird no? Why wait this late? Was wondering the same thing and then thought it would be like Jay Wright to see the Coach K retirement train roaring around the country and prefer to let him have his day. Fits with what almost everyone perceives Jay Wright to be: humble, modest, classy, and now showing the ultimate example of how it's not all about him. I agree that it's a huge loss for college basketball and the Big East. I also agree that he may be looking at the NIL landscape and future of college ball and seeing it's not where he wants to be. I've hated Nova since '85, but I have always thought Jay Wright is one of those rare combos of talent, generosity, and vision in college basketball. I wish him the best in whatever comes next. Wright's public persona projects a genuine (and self-assured) magnanimity. That Kyle Lowry who initially chaffed under his coaching has become one of the program's most stout proponents a decade + after leaving (and made a $ 1 million in 2018 to upgrade the facilities @ the Pavilion) reflects how much loyalty Wright has inspired towards the program during his tenure.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,554
|
Post by DanMcQ on Apr 21, 2022 8:13:50 GMT -5
|
|
78HOYA78
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 391
|
Post by 78HOYA78 on Apr 21, 2022 9:02:24 GMT -5
Well he wrote the book on how to win without a dominate 7 footer and how to place players in his system for success. The question will be which coach will be the face of the Big East (Cooley??).
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,554
|
Post by DanMcQ on Apr 21, 2022 11:07:32 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Apr 21, 2022 15:18:54 GMT -5
I think Wright also realized he can't run his skills development program when people can transfer at any moment thanks to the don't have to sit out a year rule. That rule has really disrupted college basketball (probably alot more than NIL) and cause alot of coaches to suddenly retire. He would know what his team was going to be by May 2nd of each year, which would leave plenty of time for team/player development. You need to have the ability to keep your guys 3-4 years. With the no sit out transfer rule you can't really plan or count on that.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,904
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 21, 2022 15:50:56 GMT -5
He would know what his team was going to be by May 2nd of each year, which would leave plenty of time for team/player development. You need to have the ability to keep your guys 3-4 years. With the no sit out transfer rule you can't really plan or count on that. The rule has been in effect 2 years now, how many kids has Nova lost to transfer? Anyone besides Swider to Syracuse?
|
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 18,312
|
Post by SSHoya on Apr 21, 2022 15:52:53 GMT -5
You need to have the ability to keep your guys 3-4 years. With the no sit out transfer rule you can't really plan or count on that. The rule has been in effect 2 years now, how many kids has Nova lost to transfer? Anyone besides Swider to Syracuse? Dylan Painter left Villanova without bitterness. He was not disgruntled. He just wanted to play more. “We're really proud of him here,” Villanova basketball coach Jay Wright said about the University of Delaware player.Mar 15, 2022
|
|
|
Post by hoyawoodhoops on Apr 21, 2022 15:56:02 GMT -5
I rarely post, but Dense's "Neptune" post is so blindingly clever I just have to give him props. Combining Jay Wright's replacement and Ukranian shore-to-ship missle strikes in a single sentence is the type of inspiration rarely seen on Hoya Talk! s
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,904
|
Post by EtomicB on Apr 21, 2022 15:58:45 GMT -5
The rule has been in effect 2 years now, how many kids has Nova lost to transfer? Anyone besides Swider to Syracuse? Dylan Painter left Villanova without bitterness. He was not disgruntled. He just wanted to play more. “We're really proud of him here,” Villanova basketball coach Jay Wright said about the University of Delaware player.Mar 15, 2022 Good call, I forgot about Painter...
|
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 18,312
|
Post by SSHoya on Apr 21, 2022 16:11:53 GMT -5
I rarely post, but Dense's "Neptune" post is so blindingly clever I just have to give him props. Combining Jay Wright's replacement and Ukranian shore-to-ship missle strikes in a single sentence is the type of inspiration rarely seen on Hoya Talk! s Uh, that was me. Now let me go back to patting myself on the back so I can be in a sling like Ewing. . .
|
|
|
Post by ewingitrust on Apr 21, 2022 16:13:03 GMT -5
Classy guy. Kept BE relevant while we dipped. But I'm happy to see him go and how this affects GTOWN going forward, in terms of reasserting ourselves.
|
|