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Post by hoyaatheart55 on May 6, 2022 13:46:01 GMT -5
So for those of you who know more about where the rosters of every other Big East team are at, how do y’all think we stack up as things stand right now? Let’s assume Heath is available to play.
Still dead last? Still bottom tier? Or closer to middle of the pack?
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Post by hoyaguy on May 6, 2022 13:56:39 GMT -5
I was gonna comment on everyone else’s off season when everything was done but I didn’t know Matta’s coaching past at Ohio state was so good especially early on. We need a lot to fall right like Akok playing to his potential to be actually competitive
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Post by trotters10 on May 6, 2022 14:02:30 GMT -5
So for those of you who know more about where the rosters of every other Big East team are at, how do y’all think we stack up as things stand right now? Let’s assume Heath is available to play. Still dead last? Still bottom tier? Or closer to middle of the pack? Heath should get his 'coming home' waiver to play. Somewhere between 7-10, hard to say though as I believe we'll get one more impact transfer in the front court. There's no way we can be last this year, that's got to be DePaul (again) after losing Freeman-Liberty, and David Jones --- and to my knowledge, they haven't replaced either with anyone note-worthy.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 6, 2022 14:15:39 GMT -5
So for those of you who know more about where the rosters of every other Big East team are at, how do y’all think we stack up as things stand right now? Let’s assume Heath is available to play. Still dead last? Still bottom tier? Or closer to middle of the pack? Heath should get his 'coming home' waiver to play. Somewhere between 7-10, hard to say though as I believe we'll get one more impact transfer in the front court. There's no way we can be last this year, that's got to be DePaul (again) after losing Freeman-Liberty, and David Jones --- and to my knowledge, they haven't replaced either with anyone note-worthy. I have Hoyas at 9 right now in league based on what everyone has done so far. We have no continuity and some holes in the line-up. I think a sophomore Murray is an upgrade on a freshman Aminu. Whoever we put at 5 will be better then we had. I don't really feel like anyone who started for us will be missed. With Riley as a wild card, I can see significant improvement and us still not being a tourney team which would be the nail in the coffin for me.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 6, 2022 14:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by bostonfan on May 6, 2022 14:50:06 GMT -5
So for those of you who know more about where the rosters of every other Big East team are at, how do y’all think we stack up as things stand right now? Let’s assume Heath is available to play. Still dead last? Still bottom tier? Or closer to middle of the pack? With the roster as it is today, the Hoyas are most likely in the bottom half of the league again. I think they will be improved, even if they don't add anyone else, but they will not be a top half of the league team. If they add one more, or possibly two more, impact transfers then they have a chance to be a middle of the pack team and have an outside chance to compete for a tournament bid, but they need at least one more front court player and probably an athletic, versatile small forward in the 6' 7" - 6' 9" range. There is time to add more players and hopefully the players added are players that are ready to contribute from day one.
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Post by EtomicB on May 6, 2022 16:23:21 GMT -5
Heath should get his 'coming home' waiver to play. Somewhere between 7-10, hard to say though as I believe we'll get one more impact transfer in the front court. There's no way we can be last this year, that's got to be DePaul (again) after losing Freeman-Liberty, and David Jones --- and to my knowledge, they haven't replaced either with anyone note-worthy. I have Hoyas at 9 right now in league based on what everyone has done so far. We have no continuity and some holes in the line-up. I think a sophomore Murray is an upgrade on a freshman Aminu. Whoever we put at 5 will be better then we had. I don't really feel like anyone who started for us will be missed. With Riley as a wild card, I can see significant improvement and us still not being a tourney team which would be the nail in the coffin for me. I'll miss Carey, he was the only ball mover on the squad.
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 6, 2022 18:49:14 GMT -5
Big East going to be an absolute beast next year: 1. Creighton - Top 5 consensus pre-season poll 2. Villanova - Top 15 3. Xavier - Top 20 4. UConn - Top 25 5. Providene - Top 30 6. Marquette - Top 40 7. St. Johns - Top 50 Then you got Seton Hall (well coached), Butler, Georgetown, Depaul... Could be a 8 NCAA tournament team league. Hoyas need some more talent. Maybe slow your roll on Seton Hall being well coached unless four underdog wins in a single elimination tournament makes you a great coach. hm
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Post by hoyaboya on May 7, 2022 9:42:27 GMT -5
Has Providence won the transfer portal? Four programs that have used the portal to elevate their program In their quest to get old and stay old, Providence hit the portal with purpose. They have brought in five new players, three of whom were former top-100 prospects with three or more years to play. Providence’s first commitment out of the portal was from 6-foot-3 grad transfer Noah Locke. Locke is a career 38.7-percent three-point shooter with 285 makes. He left Florida tenth in the SEC in career three-point field goal percentage at 40.3-percent. Locke has won 57 career games. Next to commit was a combination of 6-foot-10, 230-pound grad transfer Clifton Moore and 6-foot-3 freshman Devin Carter. Moore finished top-20 in the A10 in points (12.9) and rebounds (6.1) per game last season and was 13th in the NCAA with 2.8 blocks per game. Carter, the son of long-time NBA player and current NBA coach Anthony Carter, was first-team SEC All-Freshman team last season at South Carolina. Providence rounded out the class with a pair of On3 Consensus four-stars from the 2021 class. No. 38 Bryce Hopkins, a 6-foot-7, 220-pound forward from Kentucky, and Corey Floyd, Jr, classified up and redshirted at UConn. With Providence taking last year by storm, on paper, they built a roster with even more fire-power, a roster that should challenge for another Big East title. St. John’s 6-6 SF David Jones (No. 8), 6-1 PG Andre Curbelo (No.53) Perhaps the sneakiest class of them all. St. John’s added a point guard and a wing in a simple two-person class. The point guard, Andre Curbelo, gained much experience at Illinois playing 20.7 minutes per game in 50 games. He is coming back to New York with something to prove; there may not be a more motivational factor. The second player St. John’s landed is the No. 8 player in On3’s transfer portal rankings, David Jones. The 6-foot-6, 205-pound small forward from DePaul. Jones joined Oscar Tshiebwe and Norchad Omier in the group of four players in D-I to average at least 14 points, 7.0 rebounds, 1.5 steals, and 1.0 blocks per game last season. You put these two on either side of former Big East Defensive Player of the Year winner Posh Alexander, and the intrigue starts to set in. www.on3.com/news/has-providence-won-the-transfer-portal-four-programs-that-have-used-the-portal-to-elevate-their-program/
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Post by EtomicB on May 7, 2022 9:59:42 GMT -5
Rothstein is out of his mind if he think Nembhard will be all BE before Kaluma or Alexander..
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2022 10:05:09 GMT -5
So for those of you who know more about where the rosters of every other Big East team are at, how do y’all think we stack up as things stand right now? Let’s assume Heath is available to play. Still dead last? Still bottom tier? Or closer to middle of the pack? Heath should get his 'coming home' waiver to play. Somewhere between 7-10, hard to say though as I believe we'll get one more impact transfer in the front court. There's no way we can be last this year, that's got to be DePaul (again) after losing Freeman-Liberty, and David Jones --- and to my knowledge, they haven't replaced either with anyone note-worthy. Even though it’s still too early, I wanted to ask you who do you think we’re beating in the BE rankings?
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2022 10:11:02 GMT -5
Rothstein is out of his mind if he think Nembhard will be all BE before Kaluma or Alexander.. How about transfer Baylor Scheierman? At 6’6” and 47% from 3, with such a loaded starting five, he’ll have a chance to play a lot of 1-v-1 against good defensive teams. Against Pat’s vaunted 0-v-1 perimeter defense, he’ll have a chance to break all types of career and BE shooting records.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 8, 2022 17:48:57 GMT -5
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Post by rhw485 on May 9, 2022 7:30:24 GMT -5
barttorvik.com/?conlimit=BE&state=All&year=2022&sort=Bart Torvik has his projections for 2023 up and they update real time as people get added to rosters so it's interesting to check in once a week and see how it looks. A few comments: - Obviously this is not a perfect exercise but I think it's a reasonable proxy for where the preseason polls would probably line up if you asked coaches today
- For Gtown he's missing Bristol. Not suggesting that would propel us to the top but would help. More broadly, it's projecting minutes based on current roster. For Gtown, a big that can rebound could have an outsized impact on the projections just by simply filling an obvious gap in the roster.
- Not sure how he does the defensive projections. Again we basically have no rebounding on the roster and it's forcing a 4 guard lineup for minutes distribution so it's not super surprising. If i was building a model I'd probably have defense as reasonably sticky year over year based on coaching staff so that could be playing a role
- I personally would have us 10th right now with us ahead of DePaul but not ready to say better than anyone else.
- Interesting to see Creighton behind Xavier and Nova. That definitely doesn't line up w the analyst comments we've been hearing throughout the offseason (Rothstein has them #2 overall in country). But I do think that's the top 3 going into the season and then a reasonable gap.
- I'll sell St. John's at 4th. I really like Jones but the Alexander / Curbelo pairing just doesn't make sense to me. For a team that doesn't run much of an offense, they'll miss Champagnie a ton.
- Wouldn't react too much to the order of Marquette / UConn / Provy, they're very bunched up at 57/58/61 in country.
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Post by drquigley on May 9, 2022 13:00:13 GMT -5
So what is it about Creighton that a small Jesuit college in Omaha can consistently field a successful team bball team and run a always competitive bball program while GU a small Jesuit school, located in the middle of the East Coast's bball talent pool, can't win a conference ball game or run anything like a consistent bball program? Coaching? Athletic Department? Could it be Omaha?
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Post by hoyainla on May 9, 2022 13:52:16 GMT -5
So what is it about Creighton that a small Jesuit college in Omaha can consistently field a successful team bball team and run a always competitive bball program while GU a small Jesuit school, located in the middle of the East Coast's bball talent pool, can't win a conference ball game or run anything like a consistent bball program? Coaching? Athletic Department? Could it be Omaha? I've constantly heard some version of they are the only game in town (of a city less than 500k) so they get fan support which gets them good players. We can't reasonably be expected to find 15k fans in the tiny DC metro area (of 6+ million) to keep the under resourced, underdog of a program at a competitive level. It just really isn't fair to the leaders of the Georgetown basketball program to ask for even average levels of success considering the circumstances.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 9, 2022 14:00:25 GMT -5
So what is it about Creighton that a small Jesuit college in Omaha can consistently field a successful team bball team and run a always competitive bball program while GU a small Jesuit school, located in the middle of the East Coast's bball talent pool, can't win a conference ball game or run anything like a consistent bball program? Coaching? Athletic Department? Could it be Omaha? They don’t have Patrick Ewing as head coach.
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Post by iowa80 on May 9, 2022 15:09:13 GMT -5
So what is it about Creighton that a small Jesuit college in Omaha can consistently field a successful team bball team and run a always competitive bball program while GU a small Jesuit school, located in the middle of the East Coast's bball talent pool, can't win a conference ball game or run anything like a consistent bball program? Coaching? Athletic Department? Could it be Omaha? They don’t have Patrick Ewing as head coach. I believe that’s called “teeing it up” for someone in the vernacular.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 9, 2022 16:52:49 GMT -5
I was gonna comment on everyone else’s off season when everything was done but I didn’t know Matta’s coaching past at Ohio state was so good especially early on. We need a lot to fall right like Akok playing to his potential to be actually competitive Matta was an elite-level coach at Ohio State until he got sick. If Matta is in better health, he could very well be the best coach in the Big East, particularly with Wright out of the picture. Butler was really fortunate to bring him back into the fold.
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Post by iowa80 on May 9, 2022 17:26:01 GMT -5
I was gonna comment on everyone else’s off season when everything was done but I didn’t know Matta’s coaching past at Ohio state was so good especially early on. We need a lot to fall right like Akok playing to his potential to be actually competitive Matta was an elite-level coach at Ohio State until he got sick. If Matta is in better health, he could very well be the best coach in the Big East, particularly with Wright out of the picture. Butler was really fortunate to bring him back into the fold. It's a good thing overall even though it makes it tougher on G'town. I'd put McDermott in the mix and Cooley probably down a notch. We'll see.
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