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Post by rkerby15 on Mar 30, 2022 11:41:55 GMT -5
JUCO guard that Georgetown is in communication with. JUCO Finale |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 14:34:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 14:46:13 GMT -5
Three HS, three colleges, and two years left.
I'd... rather have somebody else.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 30, 2022 20:41:12 GMT -5
Three HS, three colleges, and two years left. I'd... rather have somebody else. Co-sign. Also, call me elitist, but not a fan of Georgetown taking JUCO transfers in basketball. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 30, 2022 23:25:20 GMT -5
Three HS, three colleges, and two years left. I'd... rather have somebody else. Co-sign. Also, call me elitist, but not a fan of Georgetown taking JUCO transfers in basketball. Not a fan of that track record in terms of switching schools so much But yeahhhhhhhh we went 0-20. We aren't really above anything at this point, but sure let's keep being elitist in a multitude of ways like we have been with the local recruiting because that has been working real well right? |
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 31, 2022 12:31:15 GMT -5
Co-sign. Also, call me elitist, but not a fan of Georgetown taking JUCO transfers in basketball. Not a fan of that track record in terms of switching schools so much But yeahhhhhhhh we went 0-20. We aren't really above anything at this point, but sure let's keep being elitist in a multitude of ways like we have been with the local recruiting because that has been working real well right? I think recruiting a JUCO kid is very different from recruiting a kid from DeMatha. I don't even understand how the local recruiting is a similar argument. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 31, 2022 15:20:12 GMT -5
Not a fan of that track record in terms of switching schools so much But yeahhhhhhhh we went 0-20. We aren't really above anything at this point, but sure let's keep being elitist in a multitude of ways like we have been with the local recruiting because that has been working real well right? I think recruiting a JUCO kid is very different from recruiting a kid from DeMatha. I don't even understand how the local recruiting is a similar argument. The local recruiting is similar because the staff and some fans have this idea of the program that is way above where it is in reality right now. This is demonstrated locally by the fact that we offer many local kids very late which is something local coaches touched on and how the program is disconnected locally but still offering and expecting kids, especially high end recruits, to come running as if we are Mecca of CBB and that it is such a gift to be offered which is extremely arrogant and elitist. That same mentality would make us think we should not be recruiting from JUCO or low low major or D2 when there teams that can and have wiped the floor with us using said kinds of players (Hawkins was a monster for Creighton and came from D2) While not taken directly from JUCO Bile evolved from there and once he was integrated into our team was very solid and I wished he had stayed another year to get a full year of good play under his belt I am not advocating we recruit regularly from JUCO or even D2 but keeping an open mind for where talent can come from after not winning a single BE game might be important. And if this season has not humbled some people and the staff about where are in the scale of the outside world and where talent can come from then I don't know what to say at this point. |
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Post by hoya73 on Mar 31, 2022 15:29:58 GMT -5
I think recruiting a JUCO kid is very different from recruiting a kid from DeMatha. I don't even understand how the local recruiting is a similar argument. The local recruiting is similar because the staff and some fans have this idea of the program that is way above where it is in reality right now. This is demonstrated locally by the fact that we offer many local kids very late which is something local coaches touched on and how the program is disconnected locally but still offering and expecting kids, especially high end recruits, to come running as if we are Mecca of CBB and that it is such a gift to be offered which is extremely arrogant and elitist. That same mentality would make us think we should not be recruiting from JUCO or low low major or D2 when there teams that can and have wiped the floor with us using said kinds of players (Hawkins was a monster for Creighton and came from D2) While not taken directly from JUCO Bile evolved from there and once he was integrated into our team was very solid and I wished he had stayed another year to get a full year of good play under his belt I am not advocating we recruit regularly from JUCO or even D2 but keeping an open mind for where talent can come from after not winning a single BE game might be important. And if this season has not humbled some people and the staff about where are in the scale of the outside world and where talent can come from then I don't know what to say at this point. I find this disingenuous, in that posters who have been consistently anti-Ewing as recently as this past semester criticized him for getting transfers from mid-majors instead of from Power 5 schools. |
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 31, 2022 15:47:21 GMT -5
JUCO guard that Georgetown is in communication with. JUCO FinaleHis highlights are impressive, but it is hard to really gauge how effective he would be in the Big East because the level of talent at some JUCO's is not very good. For a strong team with a good nucleus of players it might be worth taking a risk on a kid like this and hoping his skills translate, but the Hoyas are not in a position to take a flier on a player and hope he can play at a high level D1 program/league. If they are going to bring transfers in, they need players with a track record of being able to compete against power 5 teams and they need to have confidence he will be able to come in and contribute on a consistent basis right away. It just might not be the right fit for the Hoyas right now |
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 31, 2022 16:21:56 GMT -5
The local recruiting is similar because the staff and some fans have this idea of the program that is way above where it is in reality right now. This is demonstrated locally by the fact that we offer many local kids very late which is something local coaches touched on and how the program is disconnected locally but still offering and expecting kids, especially high end recruits, to come running as if we are Mecca of CBB and that it is such a gift to be offered which is extremely arrogant and elitist. That same mentality would make us think we should not be recruiting from JUCO or low low major or D2 when there teams that can and have wiped the floor with us using said kinds of players (Hawkins was a monster for Creighton and came from D2) While not taken directly from JUCO Bile evolved from there and once he was integrated into our team was very solid and I wished he had stayed another year to get a full year of good play under his belt I am not advocating we recruit regularly from JUCO or even D2 but keeping an open mind for where talent can come from after not winning a single BE game might be important. And if this season has not humbled some people and the staff about where are in the scale of the outside world and where talent can come from then I don't know what to say at this point. I find this disingenuous, in that posters who have been consistently anti-Ewing as recently as this past semester criticized him for getting transfers from mid-majors instead of from Power 5 schools. Criticizing a player like Rice for being too one dimensional is not a knock on the league he came from, that is a knock on the poor talent assessment of it being transitioned to the next level. While recruiting transfers from the P5 would be preferred as the talent can likely have a higher floor and ceiling, that does not mean I am against using the conferences that are not high major as I was psyched about King as he seemed to fit. And I am pretty sure I posted earlier in the season defending the conference Rice came from as last year the Southern Conference was in the top 10 out of 32. Now that we genuinely finished a season with a 0 in the conference win column, it is important for people to accept and respect that good players can come from anywhere and ignoring some options due to the perception or level they were at last season is wrong and a mistake when we were a laughing stock. I am not saying we NEED to look there or prioritize it but there are good players who can emerge and if one seems to work then it may be worth it. I understand some criticism of the staff regarding this matter as I was honestly expecting better transfers after winning the BET to capitalize on the momentum but that did not materialize which worsened this problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 18:37:52 GMT -5
Three HS, three colleges, and two years left. I'd... rather have somebody else. Co-sign. Also, call me elitist, but not a fan of Georgetown taking JUCO transfers in basketball. Elitist. j/k ... not a route the Hoyas have had real success with anyway. I may be missing someone relatively significant but in history, Hoyas have had 1 "oh my" JUCO transfer (JYD), 1 "oh boy ... oh, ok!" (Bile) and one "oh what could have been" (George Butler). |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2022 18:53:07 GMT -5
j/k ... not a route the Hoyas have had real success with anyway. I may be missing someone relatively significant but in history, Hoyas have had 1 "oh my" JUCO transfer (JYD), 1 "oh boy ... oh, ok!" (Bile) and one "oh what could have been" (George Butler). For those interested, here's the list of junior college players through the years: Galen Alexander...2020 (from Jones County, MS) George Butler...1994,95 (from Tyler, TX) Ben Gillery ...1987,88 (from Hutchinson, KS) Brian Kelly...1991,92 (from Cincinnati Tech, OH) Trez Kilpatrick...1998,99 (from Neosho, KS) Ron Lyons...1972,73 (from Northwest, WY) Godwin Owinje...1996,97 (from Bismarck, ND) Jonathan Mulmore...2017,18 (from Allegany, MD) Lee Scruggs...2000,01 (from Daytona, FL) Bill Thomas...1975,76 (from North Hampton, PA) John Turner...1989 (from Allegany, MD) Jerome Williams..1995,96 (from Montgomery, MD) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 20:37:23 GMT -5
j/k ... not a route the Hoyas have had real success with anyway. I may be missing someone relatively significant but in history, Hoyas have had 1 "oh my" JUCO transfer (JYD), 1 "oh boy ... oh, ok!" (Bile) and one "oh what could have been" (George Butler). For those interested, here's the list of junior college players through the years: Galen Alexander...2020 (from Jones County, MS) George Butler...1994,95 (from Tyler, TX) Ben Gillery ...1987,88 (from Hutchinson, KS) Brian Kelly...1991,92 (from Cincinnati Tech, OH) Trez Kilpatrick...1998,99 (from Neosho, KS) Ron Lyons...1972,73 (from Northwest, WY) Godwin Owinje...1996,97 (from Bismarck, ND) Jonathan Mulmore...2017,18 (from Allegany, MD) Lee Scruggs...2000,01 (from Daytona, FL) Bill Thomas...1975,76 (from North Hampton, PA) John Turner...1989 (from Allegany, MD) Jerome Williams..1995,96 (from Montgomery, MD) Apologies to Scruggs and Turner. The rest, meh. |
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 1, 2022 10:06:56 GMT -5
For those interested, here's the list of junior college players through the years: Galen Alexander...2020 (from Jones County, MS) George Butler...1994,95 (from Tyler, TX) Ben Gillery ...1987,88 (from Hutchinson, KS) Brian Kelly...1991,92 (from Cincinnati Tech, OH) Trez Kilpatrick...1998,99 (from Neosho, KS) Ron Lyons...1972,73 (from Northwest, WY) Godwin Owinje...1996,97 (from Bismarck, ND) Jonathan Mulmore...2017,18 (from Allegany, MD) Lee Scruggs...2000,01 (from Daytona, FL) Bill Thomas...1975,76 (from North Hampton, PA) John Turner...1989 (from Allegany, MD) Jerome Williams..1995,96 (from Montgomery, MD) Apologies to Scruggs and Turner. The rest, meh. George Butler was a big-time scoring guard, and led us to a tournament upset of a favored Illinois squad. Hardly "meh" What George was not, was a committed student, so, his career was cut short by that, just as Scruggs lost 2 Fall semesters to academic eligibility issues. One story has it that an instructor called out Butler for reading the newspaper during class. His response, as the story goes, was that he thought it was ok, because it was an article about how many points he scored the night before. Mary Fenlon was not amused. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 10:17:50 GMT -5
Apologies to Scruggs and Turner. The rest, meh. George Butler was a big-time scoring guard, and led us to a tournament upset of a favored Illinois squad. Hardly "meh" What George was not, was a committed student, so, his career was cut short by that, just as Scruggs lost 2 Fall semesters to academic eligibility issues. One story has it that an instructor called out Butler for reading the newspaper during class. His response, as the story goes, was that he thought it was ok, because it was an article about how many points he scored the night before. Mary Fenlon was not amused. George would walk around campus with a vest, no shirt, and a whole bunch of chains. We used to call him Mr. B. In a nearly-vomit-inducing sea of Britches, he definitely stood out. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 1, 2022 10:24:50 GMT -5
George Butler was a big-time scoring guard, and led us to a tournament upset of a favored Illinois squad. Hardly "meh" What George was not, was a committed student, so, his career was cut short by that, just as Scruggs lost 2 Fall semesters to academic eligibility issues. One story has it that an instructor called out Butler for reading the newspaper during class. His response, as the story goes, was that he thought it was ok, because it was an article about how many points he scored the night before. Mary Fenlon was not amused. George would walk around campus with a vest, no shirt, and a whole bunch of chains. We used to call him Mr. B. In a nearly-vomit-inducing sea of Britches, he definitely stood out. This is exactly right - he used to hold court right outside of the entrance to the New South cafeteria, usually with Yousef Al Otaiba, currently the UAE's ambassador to the United States (who has his own colorful stories). I have a vision of George Butler in his denim vest/no shirt, sunglasses and gold chains look like it was yesterday...he and Allen Iverson would have made quite the duo if Butler had stuck around long enough to play with AI. Does anybody know where George Butler is today? |
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Post by dense on Apr 1, 2022 10:55:02 GMT -5
For those interested, here's the list of junior college players through the years: Galen Alexander...2020 (from Jones County, MS) George Butler...1994,95 (from Tyler, TX) Ben Gillery ...1987,88 (from Hutchinson, KS) Brian Kelly...1991,92 (from Cincinnati Tech, OH) Trez Kilpatrick...1998,99 (from Neosho, KS) Ron Lyons...1972,73 (from Northwest, WY) Godwin Owinje...1996,97 (from Bismarck, ND) Jonathan Mulmore...2017,18 (from Allegany, MD) Lee Scruggs...2000,01 (from Daytona, FL) Bill Thomas...1975,76 (from North Hampton, PA) John Turner...1989 (from Allegany, MD) Jerome Williams..1995,96 (from Montgomery, MD) Apologies to Scruggs and Turner. The rest, meh. Jerome Williams meh?  |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 1, 2022 11:04:02 GMT -5
Apologies to Scruggs and Turner. The rest, meh. Jerome Williams meh? I am going to assume he missed his name because Jerome is not even remotely close to meh... 1st round pick, 13 years in the NBA and basically a double double machine his 2 years at Gtown...I would take a Jerome on every Gtown roster from now to the end of time of it was my choice... |
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 1, 2022 12:13:41 GMT -5
George would walk around campus with a vest, no shirt, and a whole bunch of chains. We used to call him Mr. B. In a nearly-vomit-inducing sea of Britches, he definitely stood out. This is exactly right - he used to hold court right outside of the entrance to the New South cafeteria, usually with Yousef Al Otaiba, currently the UAE's ambassador to the United States (who has his own colorful stories). I have a vision of George Butler in his denim vest/no shirt, sunglasses and gold chains look like it was yesterday...he and Allen Iverson would have made quite the duo if Butler had stuck around long enough to play with AI. Does anybody know where George Butler is today? No idea where he is today, but one correction. I'll edit: if Butler had stuck around long enough to play with AI, to read: if Butler had stuck around long enough to play more than 9 games with AI. George did pair with freshman AI until first semester grades came through and he was out. |
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 1, 2022 12:18:27 GMT -5
This is exactly right - he used to hold court right outside of the entrance to the New South cafeteria, usually with Yousef Al Otaiba, currently the UAE's ambassador to the United States (who has his own colorful stories). I have a vision of George Butler in his denim vest/no shirt, sunglasses and gold chains look like it was yesterday...he and Allen Iverson would have made quite the duo if Butler had stuck around long enough to play with AI. Does anybody know where George Butler is today? No idea where he is today, but one correction. I'll edit: if Butler had stuck around long enough to play with AI, to read: if Butler had stuck around long enough to play more than 9 games with AI. George did pair with freshman AI until first semester grades came through and he was out. He was at one time playing in Australia. Don't know the date. This is from website spreaker.com George Butler talks about his journey from the Basketball Mecca, his home state of Indiana in the United States, playing alongside Allen Iverson at Georgetown University and playing professionally in Cairns, Australia. He has some special messages of re-wiring the brain to bring back the love of the game. 4 years ago #australia, #basketball, #cairns, #gary, #georgetown, #hoyas, #indiana, #indigenous, #love News article in the The Cairns Post: News Cairns Semi pro basketball star alleges police harassment, evidence tampering This former semi pro basketballer has accused Queensland Police of harassment, tampering with evidence and an improper search during a spirited hearing yesterday. Pete Martinelli less than 2 min read February 7, 2019 - 6:00AM FORMER Cairns Marlins star George Butler has accused Queensland Police of harassment, tampering with evidence and an improper search during a spirited hearing yesterday. |
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