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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2021 9:35:53 GMT -5
I caught these on second watches of games (thankfully Fox Sports has rewatches in high def / 4k for a few weeks after in their apps). When I realize Dante and Tyler were running the exact same plays it was like discovering and easter egg. The defenses react insanely differently to the exact same plays run by PGs with different tempos. What I find very funny is the same players are open for the PG to hit, but for very different reasons. The replays do not seem to be available/work anymore in the Fox Sports app. Can you share how you access them? Thanks. To answer my own question, it appears that the replays are available if you access the Fox Sports app through a Fire stick or Roku, but not on an iPhone or iPad. Fox Sports needs to get their stuff together and make this stuff more readily available as it used to be when the Fox Sports Go app existed.
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 20, 2021 10:49:20 GMT -5
At any rate, I was very impressed with their efficiency, composure, and team chemistry. I'm not sayng that this is a big deal, but, at every time out, they had a white board titled "Matchups" that had the numbers of the G'town players on one side and the TCU players who were responsible for them on the other side. And we designed plays that led to easy buckets inbounding after several of those time outs, so...the whiteboard wasn't magic for them.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 20, 2021 10:53:25 GMT -5
I'm not sayng that this is a big deal, but, at every time out, they had a white board titled "Matchups" that had the numbers of the G'town players on one side and the TCU players who were responsible for them on the other side. And we designed plays that led to easy buckets inbounding after several of those time outs, so...the whiteboard wasn't magic for them. It was definitely nice to see set plays coming out of timeouts being a strong suit for the Hoyas on Saturday. If Harris misses more time, running more specific offensive sets might be a good way to go, both out of timeouts and during regular game play.
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Post by jester on Dec 20, 2021 12:47:55 GMT -5
I agree, it was a good sign when the players knew where to be, they scored, especially out of timeouts. I think what we saw of Dante last season may be a microcosm of what we see this year out of freshmen - glimpses, but it coming together much more end of season. I agree while we have some upperclassmen that they are a not playmakers, more high level role players, and thus playing with freshmen may magnify this and we need to push through.
Patrick Baldwin Jr is not walking through that door - and even he is shooting 39% from the floor this season with more turnovers than assists.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 20, 2021 14:35:04 GMT -5
Their experience, which is weighted by minutes played, is 1.76 years. Ours is 1.29 years. So, yes they do have slightly more experienced guys getting time but it’s not some massive difference. They don't have a single FR contributor. We have 5. That extra half year is fairly significant by itself (about 100 spots in KP) - but even bigger when you think about how skewed it is by Don & Kaiden, two fifth year guys. The final number's an aggregate, but it's not really the entire picture in a case like ours. I'd say there's a lot less "experience" difference between a Soph & Junior than there is between a Freshman & Soph. Yeah, you are right about this. The context does change the story quite a bit.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 20, 2021 20:12:05 GMT -5
I’m still thinking about our 3-pt defense. GU allowed a poor three-point shooting team averaging 28% to shoot 42% from 3. It happens time and again. It’s incredible how poor our 3-pt defense is on the fifth year of this coaching staff. TCU’s players were shooting with almost two seconds to set their feet before a GU defender came near them. What a difference this game was to the Syracuse game in terms of plays. It’s easy when you know your opponent (Syracuse) like the back of your hand and know how to beat it. It’s a whole new ball game when you don’t know your opponent. Looking at some of our other OOC games and the Colorado game, it reminds me of how unprepared we looked in those awful NCAA losses under JT3. On offense, we have the luxury of two of the best 3-pt shooters in the conference. Plus, both have NBA range. They should be put in position to space the floor, basically creating a 3-on-3 inside the arc. Beard and Dante are good guards who can direct traffic, pass and penetrate. Aminu is great. Our centers are capable dunkers (remember when we couldn’t dunk consistently? That’s not a problem this year). With our shooters, the floor should be spaced constantly, and the ball and players should be moving constantly; not the one-v-one crap and long 2s we’re seeing. We have tools. Now, it’s back to the familiarity of the BE and hopefully some miracle run in the BET. In general I would agree with you about our perimeter defense, but I'm not sure that I do for this particular game. I think it may well have been our game plan to make TCU beat us from the outside. Unfortunately, they were successful. I think it was likely also our strategy to foul a guy shooting 38% from the line late, and he made 5 out of 6. Couple that with yet another injury, this time to our starting point guard, and I would say we came up with a very strong effort against a pretty good team, and likely would have won with a little luck and with fewer injuries. I think this team is making progress, but we need to start getting players back, not lose more.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 20, 2021 20:29:20 GMT -5
I’m still thinking about our 3-pt defense. GU allowed a poor three-point shooting team averaging 28% to shoot 42% from 3. It happens time and again. It’s incredible how poor our 3-pt defense is on the fifth year of this coaching staff. TCU’s players were shooting with almost two seconds to set their feet before a GU defender came near them. What a difference this game was to the Syracuse game in terms of plays. It’s easy when you know your opponent (Syracuse) like the back of your hand and know how to beat it. It’s a whole new ball game when you don’t know your opponent. Looking at some of our other OOC games and the Colorado game, it reminds me of how unprepared we looked in those awful NCAA losses under JT3. On offense, we have the luxury of two of the best 3-pt shooters in the conference. Plus, both have NBA range. They should be put in position to space the floor, basically creating a 3-on-3 inside the arc. Beard and Dante are good guards who can direct traffic, pass and penetrate. Aminu is great. Our centers are capable dunkers (remember when we couldn’t dunk consistently? That’s not a problem this year). With our shooters, the floor should be spaced constantly, and the ball and players should be moving constantly; not the one-v-one crap and long 2s we’re seeing. We have tools. Now, it’s back to the familiarity of the BE and hopefully some miracle run in the BET. In general I would agree with you about our perimeter defense, but I'm not sure that I do for this particular game. I think it may well have been our game plan to make TCU beat us from the outside. Unfortunately, they were successful. I think it was likely also our strategy to foul a guy shooting 38% from the line late, and he made 5 out of 6. Couple that with yet another injury, this time to our starting point guard, and I would say we came up with a very strong effort against a pretty good team, and likely would have won with a little luck and with fewer injuries. I think this team is making progress, but we need to start getting players back, not lose more. Damion Baugh, a Junior guard and Memphis transfer, led TCU in minutes (36). He had two threes for the entire season, but was 3-4 on Saturday--a decisive difference. Sometimes you decide who to let shoot and it just doesn't work out.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 20, 2021 20:42:27 GMT -5
In general I would agree with you about our perimeter defense, but I'm not sure that I do for this particular game. I think it may well have been our game plan to make TCU beat us from the outside. Unfortunately, they were successful. I think it was likely also our strategy to foul a guy shooting 38% from the line late, and he made 5 out of 6. Couple that with yet another injury, this time to our starting point guard, and I would say we came up with a very strong effort against a pretty good team, and likely would have won with a little luck and with fewer injuries. I think this team is making progress, but we need to start getting players back, not lose more. Damion Baugh, a Junior guard and Memphis transfer, led TCU in minutes (36). He had two threes for the entire season, but was 3-4 on Saturday--a decisive difference. Sometimes you decide who to let shoot and it just doesn't work out. Yes, I recall hearing that during the telecast, and it left me shaking my head. Didn't we recruit Baugh at one time?
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 21, 2021 6:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 21, 2021 7:23:45 GMT -5
In general I would agree with you about our perimeter defense, but I'm not sure that I do for this particular game. I think it may well have been our game plan to make TCU beat us from the outside. Unfortunately, they were successful. I think it was likely also our strategy to foul a guy shooting 38% from the line late, and he made 5 out of 6. Couple that with yet another injury, this time to our starting point guard, and I would say we came up with a very strong effort against a pretty good team, and likely would have won with a little luck and with fewer injuries. I think this team is making progress, but we need to start getting players back, not lose more. Damion Baugh, a Junior guard and Memphis transfer, led TCU in minutes (36). He had two threes for the entire season, but was 3-4 on Saturday--a decisive difference. Sometimes you decide who to let shoot and it just doesn't work out. O'Bannon was shooting garbage shots from 3 and they were going in.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 21, 2021 7:46:46 GMT -5
Damion Baugh, a Junior guard and Memphis transfer, led TCU in minutes (36). He had two threes for the entire season, but was 3-4 on Saturday--a decisive difference. Sometimes you decide who to let shoot and it just doesn't work out. O'Bannon was shooting garbage shots from 3 and they were going in. I personally hate this argument. We bemoan bad luck when an opponent goes off from 3 and ignore the trend that this happens consistently. The questions I ask myself when we give up a 3 are: 1. Did we force the shooter to dribble or move off their spot? 2. Was the shooter rushed at all in their release or did they catch in rhythm? Which O'Bannon 3 was garbage? He's a 38% 3 point shooter, I think all three of his makes were catches in rhythm with a short / late closeout. I definitely remember the two right before half, I'm missing the 3rd from my memory so maybe you're referring to that one. Baugh made two 3s very early in the game. On one, Rice got lost on a simple screen and wasn't within 5 feet of him at the top of the key. The 2nd one was in transition where nobody was near him on the wing. And sure, every team doesn't have to hit every wide open 3 (Dartmouth in particular hit a few that made me throw my hands in the air in that game). But until we make shooters put it on the floor or rush then we can't be surprised when they go in.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2021 7:59:57 GMT -5
Damion Baugh, a Junior guard and Memphis transfer, led TCU in minutes (36). He had two threes for the entire season, but was 3-4 on Saturday--a decisive difference. Sometimes you decide who to let shoot and it just doesn't work out. O'Bannon was shooting garbage shots from 3 and they were going in. O’Bannon is a 38% 3-pt shooter and hit 3 of 6 vs GU. It was NBA range, but nothing special. His defender was too far away to bother his shot. Here they are: P.S.: sorry for the Beard lowlights included…
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 21, 2021 8:00:42 GMT -5
Teams move the ball on the perimeter to get an open three. Part of why we are so bad at defending the three is we don’t do a good job on offense getting open threes. You can’t defend what you don’t know. Moving the ball around with purpose is chess, passing it to teammates until someone makes a one-on-one move is checkers.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2021 8:03:24 GMT -5
O'Bannon was shooting garbage shots from 3 and they were going in. I personally hate this argument. We bemoan bad luck when an opponent goes off from 3 and ignore the trend that this happens consistently. The questions I ask myself when we give up a 3 are: 1. Did we force the shooter to dribble or move off their spot? 2. Was the shooter rushed at all in their release or did they catch in rhythm? Which O'Bannon 3 was garbage? He's a 38% 3 point shooter, I think all three of his makes were catches in rhythm with a short / late closeout. I definitely remember the two right before half, I'm missing the 3rd from my memory so maybe you're referring to that one. Baugh made two 3s very early in the game. On one, Rice got lost on a simple screen and wasn't within 5 feet of him at the top of the key. The 2nd one was in transition where nobody was near him on the wing. And sure, every team doesn't have to hit every wide open 3 (Dartmouth in particular hit a few that made me throw my hands in the air in that game). But until we make shooters put it on the floor or rush then we can't be surprised when they go in. True. Here are his three 3s:
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 21, 2021 8:21:10 GMT -5
I personally hate this argument. We bemoan bad luck when an opponent goes off from 3 and ignore the trend that this happens consistently. The questions I ask myself when we give up a 3 are: 1. Did we force the shooter to dribble or move off their spot? 2. Was the shooter rushed at all in their release or did they catch in rhythm? Which O'Bannon 3 was garbage? He's a 38% 3 point shooter, I think all three of his makes were catches in rhythm with a short / late closeout. I definitely remember the two right before half, I'm missing the 3rd from my memory so maybe you're referring to that one. Baugh made two 3s very early in the game. On one, Rice got lost on a simple screen and wasn't within 5 feet of him at the top of the key. The 2nd one was in transition where nobody was near him on the wing. And sure, every team doesn't have to hit every wide open 3 (Dartmouth in particular hit a few that made me throw my hands in the air in that game). But until we make shooters put it on the floor or rush then we can't be surprised when they go in. True. Here are his three 3s: Right if I was going to complain about any 3s on there, it's the ones Miles made. There's really only so much you can do with a speedy ballhandler who can create space for his own shot like that on a step back. Dante would've been able to stay closer to him, and it's too much to ask Aminu to chase Miles around and then take every shot on offense. Beard and Carey couldn't really contain him but I'm generally going to live with those shots. The 3s from Baugh, Farabello and O'Bannon are exactly the shots TCU wants in rhythm that they're aiming for.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 21, 2021 8:21:46 GMT -5
O'Bannon was shooting garbage shots from 3 and they were going in. O’Bannon is a 38% 3-pt shooter and hit 3 of 6 vs GU. It was NBA range, but nothing special. His defender was too far away to bother his shot. Here they are: P.S.: sorry for the Beard lowlights included… What an ugly shot, talk about hitch.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 21, 2021 8:29:55 GMT -5
Teams move the ball on the perimeter to get an open three. Part of why we are so bad at defending the three is we don’t do a good job on offense getting open threes. You can’t defend what you don’t know. Moving the ball around with purpose is chess, passing it to teammates until someone makes a one-on-one move is checkers. Absolutely agree and therein lies the problem for this program/team on both ends of the court. It's been a problem for several years. What's maddening is that for stretches of each game we see the type of ball movement that could make this offense deadly. Imagine what this team could be if Rice and Carey could get uncontested open shots from the perimeter on a regular basis. Holloway and Aminu have shown that with time to set their feet they can hit that perimeter shot as well. Everything flows from ball movement--as the defense extends it opens up the lane for Harris and Aminu and as the defense collapses it frees up the perimeter. I know it's not that simple but it seems a lot simpler for the teams we play than for the Hoyas. Problems on defense may be more difficult to address but I notice that Hoyas often seem to play strong defense in the half court until late in the shot clock and then there's a mental mistake or a late closeout. Really wish Ewing would use more pressure throughout the game and not just in the final minutes. This group of athletes has shown a capability that prior teams lacked.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2021 8:32:53 GMT -5
True. Here are his three 3s: Right if I was going to complain about any 3s on there, it's the ones Miles made. There's really only so much you can do with a speedy ballhandler who can create space for his own shot like that on a step back. Dante would've been able to stay closer to him, and it's too much to ask Aminu to chase Miles around and then take every shot on offense. Beard and Carey couldn't really contain him but I'm generally going to live with those shots. The 3s from Baugh, Farabello and O'Bannon are exactly the shots TCU wants in rhythm that they're aiming for. Right. Generally, the principal fault for Pat’s horrible 3-pt D is how far our nearest defender is from the eventual shooter. It happens so much that it is how our defense is designed. Our perimeter defenders on the weak side always look like they are one or two feet from the paint. Crisp passing is deadly against it.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 21, 2021 8:34:16 GMT -5
I don't think Dante changes anything on the D in that game but maybe his speed causes foul trouble for one of the shooters. Foul trouble on Miles or O'Bannon could have prevented the rhythm before it started.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 21, 2021 9:55:22 GMT -5
O'Bannon was shooting garbage shots from 3 and they were going in. I personally hate this argument. We bemoan bad luck when an opponent goes off from 3 and ignore the trend that this happens consistently. The questions I ask myself when we give up a 3 are: 1. Did we force the shooter to dribble or move off their spot? 2. Was the shooter rushed at all in their release or did they catch in rhythm? Which O'Bannon 3 was garbage? He's a 38% 3 point shooter, I think all three of his makes were catches in rhythm with a short / late closeout. I definitely remember the two right before half, I'm missing the 3rd from my memory so maybe you're referring to that one. Baugh made two 3s very early in the game. On one, Rice got lost on a simple screen and wasn't within 5 feet of him at the top of the key. The 2nd one was in transition where nobody was near him on the wing. And sure, every team doesn't have to hit every wide open 3 (Dartmouth in particular hit a few that made me throw my hands in the air in that game). But until we make shooters put it on the floor or rush then we can't be surprised when they go in. Very well stated I'll add in the fact that opponents know from their scouting that Gtown gives up a lot of good looks from 3 which gives kids like Baugh more confidence.
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