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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 17, 2021 13:03:39 GMT -5
Boy was Rice off last night.
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 17, 2021 13:23:50 GMT -5
I'm not too concerned about the team's outside shooting--YET. Dante is 2/6 in two games, which is an okay start and certainly good enough to keep defenders honest. Aminu and Carey are doing fine. I think Beard and Riley will get there, but freshmen often struggle with shooting early. Rice is obviously the concerning one--and man his shot looked awful yesterday. But not ready to shelf him yet. Shooters are streaky, and sometimes you just have an off night. Hopefully that's all it was, and we'll see a few games where where he will be lights out.
But these freshmen... Ewing's statement of "peaks and valleys" appearing very accurate. There are gonna be some more stinkers, but when things come together and they start playing with confidence--HOO BOY.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Nov 17, 2021 13:29:57 GMT -5
Great run to get this win!
Would love to see more Jordan and Ryan over alternatives moving forward. This year is going to be ugly, let's get the boys as prepared as possible for next year.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 17, 2021 13:30:17 GMT -5
27 players got run last night - that's impressive. As previously stated, our frosh are all game day ready. Rice couldn't buy a bucket, but we all know that will come. I think Rice is the player that concerns me the most. He’s been a major liability defensively and if his shot isn’t falling, he doesn’t provide much else. I think Ewing did the right thing last night and basically sat him down after hoisting up brick after brick. Thankfully it seems like we have the depth that we can do that in the games that he’s cold from 3. Rice is totally a good news/bad news deal in that if he's off, you pull him and put in one of 4 other guys who are more athletic and better defensively. Unfortunately, we really don't have any other pure 3-point snipers other than maybe Carey...if you squint real hard. I really like Don, but he's not a force-the-game kind of guy, like sometimes Blair had to be last season. I'm buckled in for a very vintage St. John's kind of ride - 4/5 crazy athletes playing small ball at 90 mph without a ton of polish and nobody who can reliably bang a triple. Group who can beat Nova one night and get run by DePaul the next. Not really my kind of hoops, but it should be entertaining.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 17, 2021 13:36:36 GMT -5
27 players got run last night - that's impressive. As previously stated, our frosh are all game day ready. Rice couldn't buy a bucket, but we all know that will come. I think Rice is the player that concerns me the most. He’s been a major liability defensively and if his shot isn’t falling, he doesn’t provide much else. I think Ewing did the right thing last night and basically sat him down after hoisting up brick after brick. Thankfully it seems like we have the depth that we can do that in the games that he’s cold from 3. Not at all impressed with Rice and like many said last night, he's completely one-dimensional. It's not like he's going to go get you 10 rebounds or defend one of the top opponents as a way to contribute if his shot is off. Billingsley got more minutes than Rice last night and I'd like to see that continue. In fact, I'd consider starting Billingsley and let Rice settle in to a sniper role off the bench. That said, Ewing did a nice job pulling back Rice's minutes last night, particularly in the second half.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 17, 2021 13:43:42 GMT -5
My guess is that Rice will have a hot game in the future and we can reevaluate. Hard to judge from two games.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 17, 2021 13:44:32 GMT -5
I'm not too concerned about the team's outside shooting--YET. Dante is 2/6 in two games, which is an okay start and certainly good enough to keep defenders honest. Aminu and Carey are doing fine. I think Beard and Riley will get there, but freshmen often struggle with shooting early. Rice is obviously the concerning one--and man his shot looked awful yesterday. But not ready to shelf him yet. Shooters are streaky, and sometimes you just have an off night. Hopefully that's all it was, and we'll see a few games where where he will be lights out. But these freshmen... Ewing's statement of "peaks and valleys" appearing very accurate. There are gonna be some more stinkers, but when things come together and they start playing with confidence--HOO BOY. Rice has been a career 34% guy from 3, his highest yearly % was 36.0 he's a Blair type shooter in my opinion... Plus he's played 42 minutes without a single assist
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 17, 2021 13:44:57 GMT -5
I know some of you aren't old enough but this reminds me of Bo Kimble's tribute to Hank Gathers foul shot.
Did Hank Gathers shoot free throws one handed? Bo did it I think because he had to switch hands and shoot left handed but not sure if he did it one hand because Hank shot one handed or just because it felt easier for Bo. I'm gonna go with "easier". It takes a lot to shoot a jumper with your offhand.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 17, 2021 13:45:53 GMT -5
I'm not too concerned about the team's outside shooting--YET. Dante is 2/6 in two games, which is an okay start and certainly good enough to keep defenders honest. Aminu and Carey are doing fine. I think Beard and Riley will get there, but freshmen often struggle with shooting early. Rice is obviously the concerning one--and man his shot looked awful yesterday. But not ready to shelf him yet. Shooters are streaky, and sometimes you just have an off night. Hopefully that's all it was, and we'll see a few games where where he will be lights out. But these freshmen... Ewing's statement of "peaks and valleys" appearing very accurate. There are gonna be some more stinkers, but when things come together and they start playing with confidence--HOO BOY. Rice has been a career 34% guy from 3, his highest yearly % was 36.0 he's a Blair type shooter in my opinion... Plus he's played 42 minutes without a single assist And those numbers for Rice were at the low major level - Citadel plays horrendous competition. I'd guess those percentages would translate to the high 20s/low 30s at the Big East level.
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 17, 2021 14:12:10 GMT -5
I'm not too concerned about the team's outside shooting--YET. Dante is 2/6 in two games, which is an okay start and certainly good enough to keep defenders honest. Aminu and Carey are doing fine. I think Beard and Riley will get there, but freshmen often struggle with shooting early. Rice is obviously the concerning one--and man his shot looked awful yesterday. But not ready to shelf him yet. Shooters are streaky, and sometimes you just have an off night. Hopefully that's all it was, and we'll see a few games where where he will be lights out. But these freshmen... Ewing's statement of "peaks and valleys" appearing very accurate. There are gonna be some more stinkers, but when things come together and they start playing with confidence--HOO BOY. Rice has been a career 34% guy from 3, his highest yearly % was 36.0 he's a Blair type shooter in my opinion... Plus he's played 42 minutes without a single assist Yes, the Rice concerns have been discussed ad nauseum on the board since his transfer was announced. He was also playing in a system where he was expected to put up 10+ threes a game (for comparison, Rice had 16 games with at least 10 attempts from three last year; Blair had 4, fairly certain no other Hoya had one). I'd bet that if you went back through all of his games and removed the types of shots he'd never been permitted in Ewing's offense, Rice's shooting percentage would rise substantially. Yesterday, Rice generally did what was expected of him--i.e., getting himself open on the perimeter and taking in rhythm shots. They just didn't fall. Rice will not be expected to play a Blair type role, I assume he'll be used more like Greg Malinoski. We will see how it goes in the next few, but my guess is that Rice will get a little more consistent and eventually have a game or two similar to Greg's Butler performance. If not, he'll ride the pine as he did yesterday for most of the 2nd half.
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Post by paranoia2 on Nov 17, 2021 14:22:59 GMT -5
I believe the extra year of eligibility w end up being a very good thing for the Hoyas in regards to Tim Igoufe.
I was very impressed with his defensive movement last night. He moved his feet very well and intimidated them on drives down the lane.
Tim’s offense is still a work in progress but he is not the black hole Wahab was. He will also be an anchor to a press, while in limited doses, that has been very effective.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 17, 2021 14:38:38 GMT -5
My guess is that Rice will have a hot game in the future and we can reevaluate. Hard to judge from two games. I think Rice will be OK. He did not force any shots and the shots he did take were good shots, he just needs to knock them down. I think he will have enough good games that he makes the other teams pay attention to where he is on the floor, which should open up things for other guys. It would be nice of he could contribute in some other ways when his shot is off. He is a decent sized guy so you would think he should be able to rebound a little. I thought Carey and Aminu both did a good job rebounding last night. That is going to be the key, (having everyone chip in on the boards) if the Hoyas are going to be a good rebounding team this year. You can't have the perimeter guys standing around watching and thinking Tim is getting every rebound
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 17, 2021 14:40:37 GMT -5
Good game for the Hoyas, and I’m glad basically everyone got some run. As others have stated this will be an athletic team who like to get up and down. The press looked real good last night; I’d like to see that used more in the first half to get things started. Rice was terrible, but I thought he took the right shots (ie they weren’t selfish or bad decisions) he just couldn’t buy a basket. If he’s missing like that he’s going to end up sitting a lot more than we thought going into the season.
The freshmen looked good last. Double double from Aminu, just needs to clean up those free throws. Billingsley made some mistakes but has a versatile game. He looks bigger than I expected and looks capable of playing some small ball 5. Riley looked good as well. I actually liked his three point form and if he can start hitting that regularly than that would be huge. Beard and Mutombo were solid.
Overall, I really just want to see these guys lock in if defense, get out and press, and be aggressive. Use that athleticism. We still left too many shooters open 3 pointers but thankfully American was ice cold and missed most of them. So, overall a mixed bag but you can see the potential. Hoya Saxa.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 17, 2021 15:09:06 GMT -5
I believe the extra year of eligibility w end up being a very good thing for the Hoyas in regards to Tim Igoufe. I was very impressed with his defensive movement last night. He moved his feet very well and intimidated them on drives down the lane. Tim’s offense is still a work in progress but he is not the black hole Wahab was. He will also be an anchor to a press, while in limited doses, that has been very effective. Any team dumb enough to attack Tim in the paint like American decided to do last night gets what they deserve. It was good having Tim back last night because their plan would have worked better vs Malcolm and Ryan. Tim's good around the rim defense would have been a non factor vs Dartmouth because they were smart enough to not even worry about challenging the post.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 17, 2021 15:12:13 GMT -5
I'm not too concerned about the team's outside shooting--YET. Dante is 2/6 in two games, which is an okay start and certainly good enough to keep defenders honest. Aminu and Carey are doing fine. I think Beard and Riley will get there, but freshmen often struggle with shooting early. Rice is obviously the concerning one--and man his shot looked awful yesterday. But not ready to shelf him yet. Shooters are streaky, and sometimes you just have an off night. Hopefully that's all it was, and we'll see a few games where where he will be lights out. But these freshmen... Ewing's statement of "peaks and valleys" appearing very accurate. There are gonna be some more stinkers, but when things come together and they start playing with confidence--HOO BOY. Rice has been a career 34% guy from 3, his highest yearly % was 36.0 he's a Blair type shooter in my opinion... Plus he's played 42 minutes without a single assist Agreed. Kaiden is going to have some hot games and some cold at at the end of the year he will be in the 35% range. He is streaky shooter and does little else. He should be an easily benchable player when he is off. I think coming off the bench may be his best role for this team. That will allow him to defend lesser players which won't hurt as much and he won't be taking away shots from starters.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 17, 2021 15:28:51 GMT -5
Rice has been a career 34% guy from 3, his highest yearly % was 36.0 he's a Blair type shooter in my opinion... Plus he's played 42 minutes without a single assist Yes, the Rice concerns have been discussed ad nauseum on the board since his transfer was announced. He was also playing in a system where he was expected to put up 10+ threes a game (for comparison, Rice had 16 games with at least 10 attempts from three last year; Blair had 4, fairly certain no other Hoya had one). I'd bet that if you went back through all of his games and removed the types of shots he'd never been permitted in Ewing's offense, Rice's shooting percentage would rise substantially. Yesterday, Rice generally did what was expected of him--i.e., getting himself open on the perimeter and taking in rhythm shots. They just didn't fall. Rice will not be expected to play a Blair type role, I assume he'll be used more like Greg Malinoski. We will see how it goes in the next few, but my guess is that Rice will get a little more consistent and eventually have a game or two similar to Greg's Butler performance. If not, he'll ride the pine as he did yesterday for most of the 2nd half. You're only looking at last season, I'm taking into account his entire career... He's had 3 seasons with approximately 7 attempts per game and his numbers were average. I hope you're right that it's the "type of attempts" that has held back his % but with 800 plus attempts chances are he is what he is as a shooter IMHO... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaiden-rice-1.html
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 17, 2021 15:44:19 GMT -5
Yes, the Rice concerns have been discussed ad nauseum on the board since his transfer was announced. He was also playing in a system where he was expected to put up 10+ threes a game (for comparison, Rice had 16 games with at least 10 attempts from three last year; Blair had 4, fairly certain no other Hoya had one). I'd bet that if you went back through all of his games and removed the types of shots he'd never been permitted in Ewing's offense, Rice's shooting percentage would rise substantially. Yesterday, Rice generally did what was expected of him--i.e., getting himself open on the perimeter and taking in rhythm shots. They just didn't fall. Rice will not be expected to play a Blair type role, I assume he'll be used more like Greg Malinoski. We will see how it goes in the next few, but my guess is that Rice will get a little more consistent and eventually have a game or two similar to Greg's Butler performance. If not, he'll ride the pine as he did yesterday for most of the 2nd half. You're only looking at least season, I'm taking into account his entire career... He had 3 seasons with approximately 7 attempts per game and his numbers were average. I hope you're right that its the type of attempts but with 800 plus attempts he is what he is as a shooter IMHO... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaiden-rice-1.htmlFair enough. Guess we'll see
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 16:40:09 GMT -5
Probably blasphemous to say on a Georgetown board but Billingsley has a little Jared Dudley in his game. Maybe it’s just the body type. If he puts on a little muscle maybe we have a JYD II … I think you mean JYD III. Jared Dudley is JYD II. The real JYD is and always will be one of my all-time favorite Hoyas, Jerome Williams. Lol - I was referencing Jerome as the one (and only!), I don't care enough for Dudley to use his initials (if they are even "JYD")
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Post by saxagael on Nov 17, 2021 18:46:46 GMT -5
I know some of you aren't old enough but this reminds me of Bo Kimble's tribute to Hank Gathers foul shot.
Did Hank Gathers shoot free throws one handed? Bo did it I think because he had to switch hands and shoot left handed but not sure if he did it one hand because Hank shot one handed or just because it felt easier for Bo. Hank had a lot of problems shooting free throws and found he could focus better and make them if he shot left handed. After he died Bo shot left handed in his memory, with his right arm behind his back.
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Post by conshyhoya on Nov 17, 2021 19:28:08 GMT -5
Did Hank Gathers shoot free throws one handed? Bo did it I think because he had to switch hands and shoot left handed but not sure if he did it one hand because Hank shot one handed or just because it felt easier for Bo. Hank had a lot of problems shooting free throws and found he could focus better and make them if he shot left handed. After he died Bo shot left handed in his memory, with his right arm behind his back. The ones I saw he did not put his hand behind his back. He shot it almost identical to Wilson. I remember watching the first game after Gathers died. It was on CBS and was the first round of the NCAA tournament against New Mexico State. That was a great offense and tore it up all year. They averaged well over a 100 a game that year with Gathers being a huge part of that. To bad they ran into UNLV when they were unstoppable with Hunt, Augmon, Johnson, Anthony and I can't remember the final starter. There is a great movie about him that came out a year or two later called The Final Shot.
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