CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 9, 2024 5:55:26 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it amusing that Notre Dame, with its holier-than-thou, “we don’t do redshirts” attitude, is participating in this event?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 9, 2024 9:37:12 GMT -5
I thought that under NCAA rules that these November style tournaments can only have one team from each conference. Has the rule changed? I imagine it might given that the football conferences are now so huge.
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Post by daveg023 on May 9, 2024 17:59:16 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on May 9, 2024 18:19:16 GMT -5
This works for select schools like Kentucky/Arkansas and Duke, which grab 5 to 6 top high school recruits every year. Like I said before, there’s not a lot of money left for the 9-13 guys.
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Post by TC on May 10, 2024 7:40:17 GMT -5
Even for Calipari, recruiting an entire roster starting from scratch in March is a challenge. And this is in a world with unlimited transfers, where he could bring anyone from Kentucky->Arkansas, unlike what Cooley faced last year. Would bet anything he's fielding a 12 or 13 man roster next year.
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Post by prhoya on May 10, 2024 8:01:17 GMT -5
Even for Calipari, recruiting an entire roster starting from scratch in March is a challenge. And this is in a world with unlimited transfers, where he could bring anyone from Kentucky->Arkansas, unlike what Cooley faced last year. Would bet anything he's fielding a 12 or 13 man roster next year. Getting players is not a problem for Calipari. Players/recruits followed him to Arkansas (!). He described why he’s thinking of having less players (free transfers, why train them for someone else, has don’t it before, etc). Why not believe him? IMO, there will be a big drop-off between the #8 player and the #9 (and on) player. What kind of NIL$ will a program need to have if its top 6 players are NBA prospects? Until there are guardrails, it’s a moving target.
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Post by tgo on May 10, 2024 9:49:52 GMT -5
I was at an event last night with Cooley and he said that Calipari told him what the NIL budget at Arkansas is and it is insane, more than triple what everyone says the Hoyas have to work with. When asked what ours is, he wouldn't put a number on it, he said something like 'it's fluid' or 'a moving target' or something vague like that.
About the Players Era Tournament, he said he had been contacted to see if the Hoyas were interested in being a part of it, he didn't rule it out but I would be very very surprised if we ended up in that event.
Unlikely that he will use all of his scholarships this year, he wants to add a center and then he might be done.
Also of note - He is optimistic that he could land a big name from the class of 25 soon.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 10, 2024 9:55:21 GMT -5
I was at an event last night with Cooley and he said that Calipari told him what the NIL budget at Arkansas is and it is insane, more than triple what everyone says the Hoyas have to work with. When asked what ours is, he wouldn't put a number on it, he said something like 'it's fluid' or 'a moving target' or something vague like that. About the Players Era Tournament, he said he had been contacted to see if the Hoyas were interested in being a part of it, he didn't rule it out but I would be very very surprised if we ended up in that event. Unlikely that he will use all of his scholarships this year, he wants to add a center and then he might be done. Also of note - He is optimistic that he could land a big name from the class of 25 soon. Thank you for the recap, great to hear this kind of perspective - where was the event held and who were the types of people in attendance?
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Post by prhoya on May 10, 2024 10:03:46 GMT -5
I was at an event last night with Cooley and he said that Calipari told him what the NIL budget at Arkansas is and it is insane, more than triple what everyone says the Hoyas have to work with. When asked what ours is, he wouldn't put a number on it, he said something like 'it's fluid' or 'a moving target' or something vague like that. About the Players Era Tournament, he said he had been contacted to see if the Hoyas were interested in being a part of it, he didn't rule it out but I would be very very surprised if we ended up in that event. Unlikely that he will use all of his scholarships this year, he wants to add a center and then he might be done. Also of note - He is optimistic that he could land a big name from the class of 25 soon. Thanks! Wait, who said “until there are guardrails, it’s a moving target” a couple of posts ago? 😉 📯
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Post by tgo on May 10, 2024 10:12:07 GMT -5
I was at an event last night with Cooley and he said that Calipari told him what the NIL budget at Arkansas is and it is insane, more than triple what everyone says the Hoyas have to work with. When asked what ours is, he wouldn't put a number on it, he said something like 'it's fluid' or 'a moving target' or something vague like that. About the Players Era Tournament, he said he had been contacted to see if the Hoyas were interested in being a part of it, he didn't rule it out but I would be very very surprised if we ended up in that event. Unlikely that he will use all of his scholarships this year, he wants to add a center and then he might be done. Also of note - He is optimistic that he could land a big name from the class of 25 soon. Thank you for the recap, great to hear this kind of perspective - where was the event held and who were the types of people in attendance? It was in Los Angeles, local alumni were invited but it was not broadcast to all the local alums, I assume invite only went to people who had donated to athletics in some fashion. There were several development staff there and of course there were appeals to the crowd to open their check books when possible to support the program. Cooley was in SF for a similar event the day before and mentioned 5 to 10 other cities where they plan to have similar gatherings to engage with the local alums and donors.
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Post by hoyawoodhoops on May 10, 2024 19:10:43 GMT -5
I was at the same event, and agree with tgo's report, but would add a couple of things. First, the NIL number for Arkansas that was bandied about is more like four or five times the "reports" about Georgetown's NIL "budget. tgo is right, GU is not about to report that number publicly, but what's become clear, whether the unsubstantiated rumors about the Georgetown number were correct, the NIL world is now an arms race without a SALT treaty; the numbers are changing constantly, and it is simply not going to be realistic for the Hoyas to recruit players by outbidding the competition. Second, Coach Cooley said that getting the provebial "nasty" defensive center was his top remaining portal priority, so it sure seems as if SOMETHING is going to happen. Whether it will satisfy this Board is a far tougher question. Finally, I may have misunderstood, but I think Cooley's comments about prosective 2025 recruiting went to the overall quality of the class he believes we will land, not just one star player. It was a good and encouraging event. The Coach is clearly busting his butt. But as he said last night, in his world, results are everything.
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Post by tgo on May 10, 2024 19:43:26 GMT -5
I may have misunderstood, but I think Cooley's comments about prospective 2025 recruiting went to the overall quality of the class he believes we will land, not just one star player. It was a good and encouraging event. The Coach is clearly busting his butt. But as he said last night, in his world, results are everything. When he was talking to me and one or two other people before his group remarks is when he referenced the 2025 player, took out his phone and said the kid had texted him while he was at this event. I think he then said 'I could have some real good news for you on that soon' I also thought this comment was interesting - he has talked to more lawyers (who represent the kids in their NIL negotiations) in just the past 2 years than the number of HS coaches he has talked in the past 10 years - or something like that.
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Post by jwp91 on May 10, 2024 21:11:49 GMT -5
Gentlemen, thanks for sharing generously.
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Post by EtomicB on May 11, 2024 9:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 11, 2024 17:18:34 GMT -5
Three-year deal for Creighton? As in, they’ll be in this event for three years? Seems like a major coup if so.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 11, 2024 17:26:41 GMT -5
the NIL world is now an arms race without a SALT treaty; the numbers are changing constantly, and it is simply not going to be realistic for the Hoyas to recruit players by outbidding the competition. This is my read. The rumors about the Georgetown budget weren't necessarily wrong; it was the "Top 5" designation that was completely misread by whomever said that (and it was naive even then). I can see us having a high NIL for the BE, but when Jerry Jones is basically like, I'll fund whatever you want to Arkansas, we won't get that unless we have the similar sugar daddy.
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Post by prhoya on May 11, 2024 18:26:44 GMT -5
the NIL world is now an arms race without a SALT treaty; the numbers are changing constantly, and it is simply not going to be realistic for the Hoyas to recruit players by outbidding the competition. This is my read. The rumors about the Georgetown budget weren't necessarily wrong; it was the "Top 5" designation that was completely misread by whomever said that (and it was naive even then). I can see us having a high NIL for the BE, but when Jerry Jones is basically like, I'll fund whatever you want to Arkansas, we won't get that unless we have the similar sugar daddy. Paging Uncle Ted and Monumental! He could use GU as a farm system/minor league team. He’s the logical billionaire booster alum and the person who would get the most out of GU being a top team. Imagine CaveOne full! All the concessions…
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Post by SSHoya on May 15, 2024 2:56:36 GMT -5
This is my read. The rumors about the Georgetown budget weren't necessarily wrong; it was the "Top 5" designation that was completely misread by whomever said that (and it was naive even then). I can see us having a high NIL for the BE, but when Jerry Jones is basically like, I'll fund whatever you want to Arkansas, we won't get that unless we have the similar sugar daddy. Paging Uncle Ted and Monumental! He could use GU as a farm system/minor league team. He’s the logical billionaire booster alum and the person who would get the most out of GU being a top team. Imagine CaveOne full! All the concessions… Uncle Ted has bigger fish he wants to fry. Still wants to buy the Nationals. I can't even remember the last time I saw him at a Hoyas game. Ted Leonsis remains interested in buying the Nationals www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/05/14/ted-leonsis-nationals-sale/
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 15, 2024 11:02:46 GMT -5
I am not as plugged into the DC scene as some people are, but I feel like if Ted Leonis wanted to make a big commitment to Georgetown it would have happened already. The guy is 67. If he was going to be a huge booster of Georgetown basketball, I feel like it would have happened already. Of course, this doesn't preclude a big gift in the future or eventually as part of an estate gift, but I feel like people always point to him as a potential donor (for good reason given his wealth) yet there aren't many indications he actually has any interest in doing so.
For those of you who know more about Georgetown's big donors, am I wrong?
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Post by bluegray79 on May 17, 2024 12:07:55 GMT -5
By way of nothing, I heard the head football coach at Dartmouth on Boston sports radio this morning. I know that the Ivies are a different universe and play by different rules, etc., so what he said, while interesting and intriguing, doesn't play in HM D1 basketball. TBS, here's what he said when asked about how they (Dartmouth) handle the NIL issues with prospective athletes (I'm paraphrasing here): we don't have anything to do with NIL -- to me, your NIL is a degree from Dartmouth. And many Dartmouth alumni are well-connected and that can mean positive things for our graduates that mean more than big money as an undergraduate.
Regarding the transfer portal, he said that unless an athlete is a freshman, maybe a sophomore, they won't be interested. Plus, as we all know, Ivy League schools offer no athletic or academic/merit-based scholarships -- only need-based financial aid, which apparently is very generous and 100% to those who show the need. So, other than a Harvard degree -- which is no small consideration -- Harvard had little else it could do to persuade Mack to stay. And he took his time to consider that. I agree with many who think that he found one of only a few schools in Georgetown that provided some D1 HM exposure and a degree of considerable (equal?) prestige.
I know we aren't going to find many elite ballers who consider their Gtown degree as the deal maker in their decision to transfer here, but I like to think that a handful of our guys factored it in. Just don't think that that is the main incentive in recruiting competitively these days. Wish it were, but it takes a different/special kind of kid (along with his family) to be playing that long game. I think Big John was in a position to make that argument, but we're in a different time, aren't we?
All right -- Ed -- go get us a center or PF who can defend. Go Hoyas!
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