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Post by prhoya on Mar 20, 2024 13:19:56 GMT -5
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Mar 20, 2024 13:54:08 GMT -5
Kenny Johnson sounding like a done deal. Those are going to be some sweet post-SJU-game handshake lines.
Let's see who follows.
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Post by traversb on Mar 20, 2024 14:01:08 GMT -5
Kenny Johnson sounding like a done deal. Those are going to be some sweet post-SJU-game handshake lines. Let's see who follows. This can’t be real life. We can’t hire one of the greatest coaches of all time because of what happened at Louisville but we can hire one of the assistants that actually got in trouble. This program is a complete joke. I can’t wait to hear the spin on this one.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 20, 2024 14:26:56 GMT -5
Kenny Johnson sounding like a done deal. Those are going to be some sweet post-SJU-game handshake lines. Let's see who follows. This can’t be real life. We can’t hire one of the greatest coaches of all time because of what happened at Louisville but we can hire one of the assistants that actually got in trouble. This program is a complete joke. I can’t wait to hear the spin on this one. Regardless of KJ's role in whatever went down, the spin is quite obvious. It's public perception and name recognition. Almost everyone knows who Rick Pitino is, and he has a slimy perception amongst a lot of college basketball fans. Now, how many people do you think know Kenny Johson? And how many people will even know he's an assistant coach at Georgetown?
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 14:31:18 GMT -5
This can’t be real life. We can’t hire one of the greatest coaches of all time because of what happened at Louisville but we can hire one of the assistants that actually got in trouble. This program is a complete joke. I can’t wait to hear the spin on this one. Regardless of KJ's role in whatever went down, the spin is quite obvious. It's public perception and name recognition. Almost everyone knows who Rick Pitino is, and he has a slimy perception amongst a lot of college basketball fans. Now, how many people do you think know Kenny Johson? And how many people will even know he's an assistant coach at Georgetown? I'm old enough to remember hand-wringing and pearl-clutching from some around here when we hired the likes of Broads and Nickelberry. But I'm sure those folks will be on board with this hire.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 20, 2024 14:38:07 GMT -5
Regardless of KJ's role in whatever went down, the spin is quite obvious. It's public perception and name recognition. Almost everyone knows who Rick Pitino is, and he has a slimy perception amongst a lot of college basketball fans. Now, how many people do you think know Kenny Johson? And how many people will even know he's an assistant coach at Georgetown? I'm old enough to remember hand-wringing and pearl-clutching from some around here when we hired the likes of Broads and Nickelberry. But I'm sure those folks will be on board with this hire. I am aware he was punished but not what he was punished for. Was it paying players?
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 15:36:12 GMT -5
I'm old enough to remember hand-wringing and pearl-clutching from some around here when we hired the likes of Broads and Nickelberry. But I'm sure those folks will be on board with this hire. I am aware he was punished but not what he was punished for. Was it paying players? "Johnson was accused by the NCAA of arranging payments to high-profile recruit Brian Bowen’s family while at Louisville, as well as the family of another recruit. He was also accused of providing false information to the NCAA about his relationships with recruits." www.thedailyhoosier.com/former-iu-and-current-archie-miller-assistant-kenny-johnson-hit-with-ncaa-sanctions/
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Post by thedragon on Mar 20, 2024 16:01:40 GMT -5
Cool. That's legal now. He should be an expert at it.
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Post by BSM on Mar 20, 2024 16:06:44 GMT -5
I know where everyone is coming from but it is Kind of hard-to-get sanctimonious about hiring a guy who was allegedly paying players before it was legal when it is now legal to pay people in this brave new world. Does he get banged for the same behavior today? Better question to ask is whether Kenny Johnson was getting value for the money he was allegedly throwing around.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 20, 2024 16:10:36 GMT -5
This can’t be real life. We can’t hire one of the greatest coaches of all time because of what happened at Louisville but we can hire one of the assistants that actually got in trouble. This program is a complete joke. I can’t wait to hear the spin on this one. Regardless of KJ's role in whatever went down, the spin is quite obvious. It's public perception and name recognition. Almost everyone knows who Rick Pitino is, and he has a slimy perception amongst a lot of college basketball fans. Now, how many people do you think know Kenny Johson? And how many people will even know he's an assistant coach at Georgetown? Exactly this. I think DeGioia also won't have to answer to the Board at all for this hire because nobody cares. Rick Pitino is a high profile, public name and his transgressions (or accused transgressions) are widely known. In contrast, nobody knows who Kenny Johnson is. I also think that DeGioia likely trusts Cooley to ensure that all is kosher. And paying players is legal now, so that won't be an issue. While I fully expected this to happen, the board is even more toxic than I expected it to be at this point. People were whining and complaining about how horrible we were for months. Then Cooley and staff hit the portal, and people whine and complain even more. Then we hire someone who is likely one of the best assistants available--certainly for recruiting in the DMV--and people whine and complain even more even though many of the same people wanted Pitino last year. This year frustrated me long ago, and the fact that we were horrible was extremely disappointing. The defense was atrocious and hard to fathom why it was so bad. But, this is now done. We cannot change it. A lot of people on this board need to separate their emotions about this past year (and the prior several years of being horrible) from the program going forward. I realize it's hard, but there is absolutely NOTHING to be gained from the incessant complaining from people about how bad we are. We get it. Georgetown was horrible. Now, what are you going to do about it? Keep whining? Or look at the changes to the staff/roster than Cooley is making and see that the issues everyone whined and complained about are getting addressed?
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 20, 2024 17:38:31 GMT -5
Regardless of KJ's role in whatever went down, the spin is quite obvious. It's public perception and name recognition. Almost everyone knows who Rick Pitino is, and he has a slimy perception amongst a lot of college basketball fans. Now, how many people do you think know Kenny Johson? And how many people will even know he's an assistant coach at Georgetown? Exactly this. I think DeGioia also won't have to answer to the Board at all for this hire because nobody cares. Rick Pitino is a high profile, public name and his transgressions (or accused transgressions) are widely known. In contrast, nobody knows who Kenny Johnson is. I also think that DeGioia likely trusts Cooley to ensure that all is kosher. And paying players is legal now, so that won't be an issue. While I fully expected this to happen, the board is even more toxic than I expected it to be at this point. People were whining and complaining about how horrible we were for months. Then Cooley and staff hit the portal, and people whine and complain even more. Then we hire someone who is likely one of the best assistants available--certainly for recruiting in the DMV--and people whine and complain even more even though many of the same people wanted Pitino last year. This year frustrated me long ago, and the fact that we were horrible was extremely disappointing. The defense was atrocious and hard to fathom why it was so bad. But, this is now done. We cannot change it. A lot of people on this board need to separate their emotions about this past year (and the prior several years of being horrible) from the program going forward. I realize it's hard, but there is absolutely NOTHING to be gained from the incessant complaining from people about how bad we are. We get it. Georgetown was horrible. Now, what are you going to do about it? Keep whining? Or look at the changes to the staff/roster than Cooley is making and see that the issues everyone whined and complained about are getting addressed? The President of Baylor is on the NCAA board, this being the school that took a half season death penalty when it’s coach paid tuition for players to evade scholarship player and then when one murdered another, tried to paint his players as drug dealers to cover it up. This is also the school that was willfully blind to football players committing sexual assaults. In short, this is not a big deal.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2024 19:06:58 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 20, 2024 19:17:35 GMT -5
The President of Baylor is on the NCAA board, this being the school that took a half season death penalty when it’s coach paid tuition for players to evade scholarship player and then when one murdered another, tried to paint his players as drug dealers to cover it up. This is also the school that was willfully blind to football players committing sexual assaults. In short, this is not a big deal. Linda Livingstone has been president at Baylor for seven years; before that, the dean of the GW business school. Associating her tenure at Baylor to the Patrick Dennehy murder 21 years ago (when she was dean at Pepperdine) is as specious as connecting the current president of Duke to the false accusations against the Duke men's lacrosse team while he was an associate dean at Penn.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2024 19:33:29 GMT -5
Regardless of KJ's role in whatever went down, the spin is quite obvious. It's public perception and name recognition. Almost everyone knows who Rick Pitino is, and he has a slimy perception amongst a lot of college basketball fans. Now, how many people do you think know Kenny Johson? And how many people will even know he's an assistant coach at Georgetown? I'm old enough to remember hand-wringing and pearl-clutching from some around here when we hired the likes of Broads and Nickelberry. But I'm sure those folks will be on board with this hire. Why are you "sure" about that? Have any of the posters who complained about Broadus or Nickleberry approved the Johnson hiring? On the flip side, have any posters who supported hiring Pitino looked down their noses at hiring Johnson?
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 19:57:38 GMT -5
I'm old enough to remember hand-wringing and pearl-clutching from some around here when we hired the likes of Broads and Nickelberry. But I'm sure those folks will be on board with this hire. Why are you "sure" about that? Have any of the posters who complained about Broadus or Nickleberry approved the Johnson hiring? On the flip side, have any posters who supported hiring Pitino looked down their noses at hiring Johnson? There are posters who were loudly opposed to Nickelberry on moral grounds who have chosen not to weigh in on Johnson. The silence is atypical, but perhaps they just haven't had the chance to voice their displeasure yet.
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Post by traversb on Mar 20, 2024 20:05:54 GMT -5
Regardless of KJ's role in whatever went down, the spin is quite obvious. It's public perception and name recognition. Almost everyone knows who Rick Pitino is, and he has a slimy perception amongst a lot of college basketball fans. Now, how many people do you think know Kenny Johson? And how many people will even know he's an assistant coach at Georgetown? Then we hire someone who is likely one of the best assistants available--certainly for recruiting in the DMV--and people whine and complain even more even though many of the same people wanted Pitino last year. Which Johnson recruits from the DMV are you so excited about? I'm not saying he hasn't had recruiting success during his time at Indiana and Louisville, when both were good, but very few have been DMV kids. He was last involved in the area over a decade ago. There were much better options especially if were willing to look the other way on some things, which I have no problem with.
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Post by astrohoya on Mar 20, 2024 21:24:50 GMT -5
The President of Baylor is on the NCAA board, this being the school that took a half season death penalty when it’s coach paid tuition for players to evade scholarship player and then when one murdered another, tried to paint his players as drug dealers to cover it up. This is also the school that was willfully blind to football players committing sexual assaults. In short, this is not a big deal. Linda Livingstone has been president at Baylor for seven years; before that, the dean of the GW business school. Associating her tenure at Baylor to the Patrick Dennehy murder 21 years ago (when she was dean at Pepperdine) is as specious as connecting the current president of Duke to the false accusations against the Duke men's lacrosse team while he was an associate dean at Penn. My point was not to associate her with the sins of Ken Starr, but to point out that if a school with a very checkered NCAA history (going back to the 80’s) can have its President on the board, there is no issue with hiring this assistant.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 21:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 20, 2024 21:57:45 GMT -5
My point was not to associate her with the sins of Ken Starr, but to point out that if a school with a very checkered NCAA history (going back to the 80’s) can have its President on the board, there is no issue with hiring this assistant. Appointments to the NCAA Board of Governors are a reflection of the candidate, not the institution. Linda Livingstone is on the board, Ken Starr was not. It's also a reflection that university presidents get invited to a LOT of boards and not everyone can devote what limited time they have to volunteer when their own job is a 24 hour one. It's an honor to be selected to represent the Big 12, but others in that conference simply can't balance the schedules if they are also on the National Council of the Humanities, the AAU, etc. Here's the volunteer activity of Jack DeGioia from the georgetown.edu web site, and even this is incomplete given his participation with the Big East, the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities, Greater Washington Partnership, and the President's Alliance on Higher Education: "He previously served as Chair of the Board of Directors of the American Council on Education (ACE) and recently chaired the Board of Directors of the Forum for the Future of Higher Education. He serves as a member of the Board of Directors of the Carnegie Corporation of New York and was formerly a member of the National Association of Independent Schools. He concluded his service as a member of the NCAA Board of Governors and the NCAA Division 1 Board of Directors in August 2023. He has also served as the Chair of the NCAA Board of Governors, as Chair of the NCAA Division I Committee on Academics and as a commissioner on the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics."
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 20, 2024 22:26:36 GMT -5
I mean we needed an assistant and Cooley seems to think he valuable despite the suspension so I am like whatever, he's serving his punishment and can coach again. I was an advocate for Pitino last season and I imagine that it is possible Jack D is not even aware of this guy since he's just an assistant so who cares or maybe he is aware and won't butt-in which is honestly too little too late, but at least now maybe he keeps his bad decision making away from basketball for awhile.
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