smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 22, 2020 20:35:15 GMT -5
Yep, can’t happen...much less every BE road game. I’d vote for reset button, but our administration doesn’t have the cojones. Here's the problem--for however bad 2019-20 is, 2020-21 figures to be grim. Did JT3 break a mirror after the FGCU game and not tell anyone? That’s exactly right DFW. It’s going to be worse next year. Absolutely, positively worse. So year 4 is going to be worst of bunch. We’d be way better off starting over. At least there might be some excitement with regime change. This is just dark, really bleak.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 22, 2020 20:35:24 GMT -5
I just hope we hold them to 30% shooting in DC and blow em out. X is my least favorite of the N in the NBE.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 22, 2020 20:35:44 GMT -5
Yep, can’t happen...much less every BE road game. I’d vote for reset button, but our administration doesn’t have the cojones. Here's the problem--for however bad 2019-20 is, 2020-21 figures to be grim. Did JT3 break a mirror after the FGCU game and not tell anyone? Agree. Next year will be the least talented team under Ewing. As of the start of his fifth season in November 2021, the biggest success of the Ewing era will likely be having avoided playing on Wednesday in the BE tournament in Year 2.
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rlo24
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Post by rlo24 on Jan 22, 2020 20:36:05 GMT -5
Given the shooting percentage of his teammates, not entirely his fault. His was worse than the % of his teammates. 31.6% vs 39.5% for those playing at home. Should have kept feeding Yurt I suppose? He (Mac) started 2-2, missed 2 in a row and was benched for about 8 min for "hunting shots" it seems. Offense never got going the whole game. What would you have done differently today? More Yurt? More Alexander? Pickett?
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 22, 2020 20:40:57 GMT -5
There was a telling Inside the Huddle where Steele told his team (paraphrasing) “If you don’t take bad shots or turn it over, they can’t get into transition and they know they can’t score against our half court defense.” He was right— we had no clue how to attack it.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Jan 22, 2020 20:43:03 GMT -5
I just hope we hold them to 30% shooting in DC and blow em out. X is my least favorite of the N in the NBE.Why is that?
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 22, 2020 20:43:20 GMT -5
Steele pulling Goodin was a great decision. I don't think it will work long term because Tandy isn't a good enough ball handler and is better off the ball but tonight it didn't matter.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 22, 2020 20:43:21 GMT -5
Recall back to last year, Travis Steele caught Georgetown off guard with a twin towers lineup. First time they ever used it, I think I remember him saying. Apparently whatever film review we did over the last few days didn't take into account the possibility that Steele would double down and employ an even more extreme strategy this year. Steele even ANNOUNCED there'd be a lineup switch prior to the game. Amazing that we were again caught unprepared for it.
Outside of Tandy, Xavier was 4-17 from 3. Yet, we remained steadfast in refusing to allow our opponent to post up and take contested 2's and instead overhelp and allow Xavier to take open 3s. Bold strategy that hasn't worked all year and didn't work again tonight.
Xavier smartly attacked Yurt because he was ineffective on defense and foul prone. We had 3 fouls on Marshall at the 17 minute mark and then never challenged him again until late. It's become a trend now; we do not try to capitalize on the foul trouble of our opponents and they have found it easy to do it to us.
For the above, staff gets a giant red X tonight.
No one played well tonight (outside of maybe Q), but only 3 players showed even a pulse... Mac, Allen and Q. Everyone else was out there sleepwalking. Yurt was out there daydreaming about the Turkish league he'll be playing in next year while Xavier was trying to throw alley-oop after alley-oop on him. Mosely, Blair and Pickett looked completely lost the entire night. I get the team has played heavy minutes with the short rotation, but the lack of effort (especially early in road games) is inexcusable and appalling.
Officiating was horrific tonight. I've been generally pleased with the officiating so far this year, which usually isn't the case for me. But tonight was an embarrassment. Obvious fouls not being called on both ends. Missing the obvious OOB on Jones late in the game (even with the benefit of replay). Mac's "charge" wiping out the and-1. Marshall allowed to call a timeout without possession with Allen having his hands on the ball. I could go on and on.
We have become a front-running team that really doesn't get the lead that often anymore. When this team gets punched in the mouth and goes down double digits, they rarely ever offer any resistance. Someone needs to step up and hit open shots at some point to cut deficits. Xavier gave us a ton of open looks and essentially begged us to come back. We barely hit any of them. I just don't think the mental toughness and focus is there that's required to weather storms and come back from deficits.
Frustrated we lost this game because quite frankly, Xavier didn't play that well. They just played with more effort. I don't want to hear about this team having put in the time in the gym and focusing on conditioning moreso than they did under the previous regime. That's 2 games in a row that they have been a step slow all night and in a league that is this tough, a subpar effort is not going to get it done against anybody. 6 days for the players/staff to look in the mirror and decide what they want to do with this season, because I still think its a team that can hold its own destiny if it wants, shorthanded or not. But it has to start now and they can't half-ass any more games the rest of the season.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 22, 2020 20:46:01 GMT -5
I just hope we hold them to 30% shooting in DC and blow em out. X is my least favorite of the N in the NBE.Why is that? Butler and Creighton are fine teams, decent fans, and unremarkable coaches. Xavier has typically been annoying, playing in their house sucks, and we keep losing to the them.
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rlo24
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Post by rlo24 on Jan 22, 2020 20:46:35 GMT -5
Recall back to last year, Travis Steele caught Georgetown off guard with a twin towers lineup. First time they ever used it, I think I remember him saying. Apparently whatever film review we did over the last few days didn't take into account the possibility that Steele would double down and employ an even more extreme strategy this year. Steele even ANNOUNCED there'd be a lineup switch prior to the game. Amazing that we were again caught unprepared for it. Outside of Tandy, Xavier was 4-17 from 3. Yet, we remained steadfast in refusing to allow our opponent to post up and take contested 2's and instead overhelp and allow Xavier to take open 3s. Bold strategy that hasn't worked all year and didn't work again tonight. Xavier smartly attacked Yurt because he was ineffective on defense and foul prone. We had 3 fouls on Marshall at the 17 minute mark and then never challenged him again until late. It's become a trend now; we do not try to capitalize on the foul trouble of our opponents and they have found it easy to do it to us. For the above, staff gets a giant red X tonight. No one played well tonight (outside of maybe Q), but only 3 players showed even a pulse... Mac, Allen and Q. Everyone else was out there sleepwalking. Yurt was out there daydreaming about the Turkish league he'll be playing in next year while Xavier was trying to throw alley-oop after alley-oop on him. Mosely, Blair and Pickett looked completely lost the entire night. I get the team has played heavy minutes with the short rotation, but the lack of effort (especially early in road games) is inexcusable and appalling. Officiating was horrific tonight. I've been generally pleased with the officiating so far this year, which usually isn't the case for me. But tonight was an embarrassment. Obvious fouls not being called on both ends. Missing the obvious OOB on Jones late in the game (even with the benefit of replay). Mac's "charge" wiping out the and-1. Marshall allowed to call a timeout without possession with Allen having his hands on the ball. I could go on and on. We have become a front-running team that really doesn't get the lead that often anymore. When this team gets punched in the mouth and goes down double digits, they rarely ever offer any resistance. Someone needs to step up and hit open shots at some point to cut deficits. Xavier gave us a ton of open looks and essentially begged us to come back. We barely hit any of them. I just don't think the mental toughness and focus is there that's required to weather storms and come back from deficits. Frustrated we lost this game because quite frankly, Xavier didn't play that well. They just played with more effort. I don't want to hear about this team having put in the time in the gym and focusing on conditioning moreso than they did under the previous regime. That's 2 games in a row that they have been a step slow all night and in a league that is this tough, a subpar effort is not going to get it done against anybody. 6 days for the players/staff to look in the mirror and decide what they want to do with this season, because I still think its a team that can hold its own destiny if it wants, shorthanded or not. But it has to start now and they can't half-ass any more games the rest of the season. I think the rest will do this team well. See everyone Tuesday
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 22, 2020 20:47:52 GMT -5
Hey, Mac might have clanked a few, but he came to play: great play late in the game where he missed a shot, Scruggs got the rebound and Mac rushed over and ripped the ball away from Scruggs who was so surprised he fouled Mac. High point of the game for me. Hard to win when Jagan, Pickett and Yurt totaled 14 points.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 22, 2020 20:47:53 GMT -5
His was worse than the % of his teammates. 31.6% vs 39.5% for those playing at home. Should have kept feeding Yurt I suppose? He (Mac) started 2-2, missed 2 in a row and was benched for about 8 min for "hunting shots" it seems. Offense never got going the whole game. What would you have done differently today? More Yurt? More Alexander? Pickett? It wasn't that Mac took all the shots early. It was that he took them without running any sort of offense to get them. He got the ball and went hunting for his shot not letting it come to him. This team, and pretty much most teams, is at their best when the ball is moving. The ball was stagnant at the beginning of the game. It was like bad offense led to more bad offense which lasted much of the game. This was a team loss but guys acting like Mac had a good game because he was the only one in double digits is laughable.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 22, 2020 20:48:58 GMT -5
Butler and Creighton are fine teams, decent fans, and unremarkable coaches. Xavier has typically been annoying, playing in their house sucks, and we keep losing to the them. Steele Has put together a top 10 recruiting class nationally for next year so get used to it
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 22, 2020 20:50:23 GMT -5
Really disappointing for us to not even be in February and calling this season over. After MSG this seemed like beginning of a fun season and a return to the tournament. I mean, it's hard to call this season over when we were one of the last couple teams in the tourney before tonight. At worst, one of the first couple out. We are still one of the first few out even after tonight. This was a Tier 1 loss....a missed opportunity for sure. But not a bad loss. Again, I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. The rebounding to me tonight was the single biggest issue. On both ends.
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 22, 2020 20:51:23 GMT -5
Recall back to last year, Travis Steele caught Georgetown off guard with a twin towers lineup. First time they ever used it, I think I remember him saying. Apparently whatever film review we did over the last few days didn't take into account the possibility that Steele would double down and employ an even more extreme strategy this year. Steele even ANNOUNCED there'd be a lineup switch prior to the game. Amazing that we were again caught unprepared for it. Outside of Tandy, Xavier was 4-17 from 3. Yet, we remained steadfast in refusing to allow our opponent to post up and take contested 2's and instead overhelp and allow Xavier to take open 3s. Bold strategy that hasn't worked all year and didn't work again tonight. Xavier smartly attacked Yurt because he was ineffective on defense and foul prone. We had 3 fouls on Marshall at the 17 minute mark and then never challenged him again until late. It's become a trend now; we do not try to capitalize on the foul trouble of our opponents and they have found it easy to do it to us. For the above, staff gets a giant red X tonight. No one played well tonight (outside of maybe Q), but only 3 players showed even a pulse... Mac, Allen and Q. Everyone else was out there sleepwalking. Yurt was out there daydreaming about the Turkish league he'll be playing in next year while Xavier was trying to throw alley-oop after alley-oop on him. Mosely, Blair and Pickett looked completely lost the entire night. I get the team has played heavy minutes with the short rotation, but the lack of effort (especially early in road games) is inexcusable and appalling. Officiating was horrific tonight. I've been generally pleased with the officiating so far this year, which usually isn't the case for me. But tonight was an embarrassment. Obvious fouls not being called on both ends. Missing the obvious OOB on Jones late in the game (even with the benefit of replay). Mac's "charge" wiping out the and-1. Marshall allowed to call a timeout without possession with Allen having his hands on the ball. I could go on and on. We have become a front-running team that really doesn't get the lead that often anymore. When this team gets punched in the mouth and goes down double digits, they rarely ever offer any resistance. Someone needs to step up and hit open shots at some point to cut deficits. Xavier gave us a ton of open looks and essentially begged us to come back. We barely hit any of them. I just don't think the mental toughness and focus is there that's required to weather storms and come back from deficits. Frustrated we lost this game because quite frankly, Xavier didn't play that well. They just played with more effort. I don't want to hear about this team having put in the time in the gym and focusing on conditioning moreso than they did under the previous regime. That's 2 games in a row that they have been a step slow all night and in a league that is this tough, a subpar effort is not going to get it done against anybody. 6 days for the players/staff to look in the mirror and decide what they want to do with this season, because I still think its a team that can hold its own destiny if it wants, shorthanded or not. But it has to start now and they can't half-ass any more games the rest of the season. Bingo. Coaching was as poor tonight as the play of Yurt. And please don't start on Mac "hunting shots." My God, where would our offense come from otherwise. Only real bright spot was some solid moments from Q. This season looks like toast. Next season will be worse. And red flags are everywhere regarding this staff re: recruiting and in-game coaching. Brutal times on the Hilltop. Aside from Yurt, who is shockingly soft, I think the guys are playing hard. We just aren't any good...at all. And the staff hasn't helped on that front; they've actually chosen tactics that accentuate our thin bench and lack of athleticism. Bleak stuff.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 22, 2020 20:51:52 GMT -5
Really disappointing for us to not even be in February and calling this season over. After MSG this seemed like beginning of a fun season and a return to the tournament. I mean, it's hard to call this season over when we were one of the last couple teams in the tourney before tonight. At worst, one of the first couple out. We are still one of the first few out even after tonight. This was a Tier 1 loss....a missed opportunity for sure. But not a bad loss. Again, I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. The rebounding to me tonight was the single biggest issue. On both ends. I know it’s a bit of hyperbole but we have to start getting wins somewhere. Tonight was supposed to be the start. Not sure what we’ve seen leads us to believe there’s 6-7 more wins out of this group over the next 11. Teams are leaping us nightly.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 22, 2020 20:52:29 GMT -5
I learned here that losing Akinjo was addition by subtraction because he was an all-around selfish ball hog that did nothing but freeze out Mac. So I guess that we're fortunate he didn't play tonight or it would have been really bad.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 22, 2020 20:52:52 GMT -5
Really disappointing for us to not even be in February and calling this season over. After MSG this seemed like beginning of a fun season and a return to the tournament. I mean, it's hard to call this season over when we were one of the last couple teams in the tourney before tonight. At worst, one of the first couple out. We are still one of the first few out even after tonight. This was a Tier 1 loss....a missed opportunity for sure. But not a bad loss. Again, I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. The rebounding to me tonight was the single biggest issue. On both ends. To finish above 500 in the Big East we have to go 8-3 the rest of the season.
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Post by rlo24 on Jan 22, 2020 20:54:44 GMT -5
Should have kept feeding Yurt I suppose? He (Mac) started 2-2, missed 2 in a row and was benched for about 8 min for "hunting shots" it seems. Offense never got going the whole game. What would you have done differently today? More Yurt? More Alexander? Pickett? It wasn't that Mac took all the shots early. It was that he took them without running any sort of offense to get them. He got the ball and went hunting for his shot not letting it come to him. This team, and pretty much most teams, is at their best when the ball is moving. The ball was stagnant at the beginning of the game. It was like bad offense led to more bad offense which lasted much of the game. This was a team loss but guys acting like Mac had a good game because he was the only one in double digits is laughable. He definitely didn't have a good game, but better than pretty much anyone else other than Wahab. Are you saying that the 2 shots Mac took and missed early resulted in the horrible offensive night for the team? I lean towards our staffing no answer to the size X put out there. Very little adjustments..except the first play of the second half where Mac drove, passed to Yurt and he weakly got his shot blocked. It seemed like the game was over after that. The one good idea seemed to work but..didn't. And nothing was different after that until we pressed under 5 min to go.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 22, 2020 20:57:25 GMT -5
I mean, it's hard to call this season over when we were one of the last couple teams in the tourney before tonight. At worst, one of the first couple out. We are still one of the first few out even after tonight. This was a Tier 1 loss....a missed opportunity for sure. But not a bad loss. Again, I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. The rebounding to me tonight was the single biggest issue. On both ends. To finish above 500 in the Big East we have to go 8-3 the rest of the season. Right, but .500 on the nose almost surely would do it given the wins that would mean we have. It's too early to know for sure of course but I think 8-10 may well sneak us in. Yes, even that ain't easy, given what we've seen. But to call this season over is a bit much. 6-5 is certainly doable, no?
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