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Post by hoyainla on Nov 28, 2019 1:23:15 GMT -5
All these losses are piling up to the point that the BE is looking more like a 4-5 bid league than than 6+ that we were hoping for.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 28, 2019 6:57:59 GMT -5
All these losses are piling up to the point that the BE is looking more like a 4-5 bid league than than 6+ that we were hoping for. ^^^ This If we go into conference play as the 5th or 6th best conference RPI wise, then beating each other up is going to do no good and there will be little Q1 wins for the taking (much like two years ago). Really disappointing that Villanova, Seton Hall, Xavier and Marquette have all lost winnable games against ranked opponents while PC has been 4-2 against a +300 ranked SOS. DePaul and St John's looking better you'd think helps matters but they don' t have strong computer numbers so if anything they will just add to the cannibalism in the conference. Given our OOC schedule and how the BE was stacking up, I was pretty confident that 9-9 in conference and 10-3 in the OOC slate would be good enough, but now I doubt that. Still early, but the opportunities are dwindling for the conference...
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 28, 2019 7:42:31 GMT -5
All these losses are piling up to the point that the BE is looking more like a 4-5 bid league than than 6+ that we were hoping for. ^^^ This If we go into conference play as the 5th or 6th best conference RPI wise, then beating each other up is going to do no good and there will be little Q1 wins for the taking (much like two years ago). Really disappointing that Villanova, Seton Hall, Xavier and Marquette have all lost winnable games against ranked opponents while PC has been 4-2 against a +300 ranked SOS. DePaul and St John's looking better you'd think helps matters but they don' t have strong computer numbers so if anything they will just add to the cannibalism in the conference. Given our OOC schedule and how the BE was stacking up, I was pretty confident that 9-9 in conference and 10-3 in the OOC slate would be good enough, but now I doubt that. Still early, but the opportunities are dwindling for the conference... It hasn't been great. But....the BE still has 3 top 25 and 6 top 50 teams in KenPom. Doesnt mean the NET will work out similarly. But if it's even close to that, there'll be plenty of tier 1 win opportunities. (Note: The NET likely will be worse, since it's far more focused on wins and losses than is KenPom (which isn't at all))
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 28, 2019 7:44:57 GMT -5
True, but plenty of golden opportunities for us in the next 4 games. We can only control how we play. Say we roll these next 4 opponents. I think we are sitting in a great position heading into conference play at 11-2 and would probably be ranked or close to it.
If Nova, Quette, and Hall all underperform, someone’s got to step up. Why not us??
Cmon Hoyas!!! Big 2 week stretch here.
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 28, 2019 9:11:18 GMT -5
Seton Hall is going to waste all of Myles Powell’s greatness unless they get him some help soon. What do you want them to do, sign a free agent at the deadline? The team is the team at this point.........
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 28, 2019 9:14:34 GMT -5
^^^ This If we go into conference play as the 5th or 6th best conference RPI wise, then beating each other up is going to do no good and there will be little Q1 wins for the taking (much like two years ago). Really disappointing that Villanova, Seton Hall, Xavier and Marquette have all lost winnable games against ranked opponents while PC has been 4-2 against a +300 ranked SOS. DePaul and St John's looking better you'd think helps matters but they don' t have strong computer numbers so if anything they will just add to the cannibalism in the conference. Given our OOC schedule and how the BE was stacking up, I was pretty confident that 9-9 in conference and 10-3 in the OOC slate would be good enough, but now I doubt that. Still early, but the opportunities are dwindling for the conference... It hasn't been great. But.... the BE still has 3 top 25 and 6 top 50 teams in KenPom. Doesnt mean the NET will work out similarly. But if it's even close to that, there'll be plenty of tier 1 win opportunities. (Note: The NET likely will be worse, since it's far more focused on wins and losses than is KenPom (which isn't at all)) I prefer 8 teams in the Top 65.......
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 28, 2019 9:17:07 GMT -5
Powell should have gone pro, nothing left to prove. Luckily, his injury wasn’t serious. Also, if the Hoyas go 9-9 in the Big East they shouldn’t expect much.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 28, 2019 10:22:28 GMT -5
Is it just me, or has basketball talent picked up considerably the last few years? The Bloods don't have space to keep it all, nor do the power conferences. Mix in talent with guys who can really coach and then you get the odd upset. When these programs have an extended period of time to prepare for their "Super Bowl", anything can happen.
Unfortunately, I don't believe we had enough talent and college coaching experience to be competitive the first two years on the national level. It didn't matter who we had on the schedule. This year is different. In am glad the SOS is strong. We get the chance to play against good talent with various offensive and defensive sets. It all starts this weekend against UNCG. We are going to be pleasantly surprised (or at least I hope). There haven't been many double digit wins against quality opponents the first two years. If I remember correctly, most of our wins were of the nail biting variety. Hopefully that ends as well.I
Come on 2:00ok Saturday.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 28, 2019 10:59:15 GMT -5
A mid-major with upperclassmen can easily take down a bluechip loaded with high ranked frosh.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2019 11:14:23 GMT -5
I watched the last 10 minutes of the SH game and Powell was forcing a lot of bad shots without getting his teammates involved. That said, the foul and ft disparities were the difference again. Allegedly, SH had 24 fouls to Oregon’s 12, and Oregon shot 28 FTs to SH’s 9 FTs.
Btw, SH hit 52% from 3.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 28, 2019 16:52:44 GMT -5
A mid-major with upperclassmen can easily take down a bluechip loaded with high ranked frosh. The reason the mid majors have "caught up" some is because more and more kids are leaving early. Most of those that leave early do so from the "blue chip" programs. I think "blue chip" in this example is any program that consistently gets 4 stars or above as those are the kids that think they are good enough to leave. The G league and overseas are more viable options now. If you know you aren't likely to get drafted why keep playing in college for free when you can go make money? In the end old guys win in college basketball and mid majors for the most part have more of them.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 28, 2019 17:00:59 GMT -5
^^^ This If we go into conference play as the 5th or 6th best conference RPI wise, then beating each other up is going to do no good and there will be little Q1 wins for the taking (much like two years ago). Really disappointing that Villanova, Seton Hall, Xavier and Marquette have all lost winnable games against ranked opponents while PC has been 4-2 against a +300 ranked SOS. DePaul and St John's looking better you'd think helps matters but they don' t have strong computer numbers so if anything they will just add to the cannibalism in the conference. Given our OOC schedule and how the BE was stacking up, I was pretty confident that 9-9 in conference and 10-3 in the OOC slate would be good enough, but now I doubt that. Still early, but the opportunities are dwindling for the conference... It hasn't been great. But....the BE still has 3 top 25 and 6 top 50 teams in KenPom. Doesnt mean the NET will work out similarly. But if it's even close to that, there'll be plenty of tier 1 win opportunities. (Note: The NET likely will be worse, since it's far more focused on wins and losses than is KenPom (which isn't at all)) While I think KenPom is a better metric when there is more data I think RPI does a better job early of replicating the true position of teams. That is because RPI is more dependent on what has happened so far this year while KP is still heavily dependent on last year and what he thinks teams should be based on what they brought back. Eventually that will be flushed in KP but it's not yet. In RPI the BE has 3 Top 50 and 5 Top 75 teams. I think that is more in line with the BE results so far this year than 6 Top 50. It has been a brutal preseason for the BE and it seems to get worse by the day as Providence showed today.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 29, 2019 16:59:57 GMT -5
What a week for Michigan! Comfortably defeats #6 UNC and #8 Gonzaga. Should jump into the Top 20 (from others receiving votes). Next up #2 Louisville. Wow!
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