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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 17, 2020 11:05:24 GMT -5
Agree with this but think 5/6 might be a lot to expect. 4/6 is a more realistic outcome in my opinion. I look at our 13 games left - 7 at home and 6 on the road. Home: MU, SHU, XU, PC, Nova, DePaul, Butler We need to win 4 of those games (likely DePaul, PC, St Johns, and one of Xavier or Marquette. Road: SJ, XU, Butler, Creighton, DePaul, MU We need to win 3 of those; good thing is we played 3/4 best teams (PC by record at least) on the road. Most likely is DePaul, SJ, and XU. That being said I don’t think sweeping any team will be easy and this contemplates us sweeping 3 teams. Road: I don't see us beating any of the top 3, maybe 4. It's going to be a dogfight among the bottom 6. To me it's simple. Hope none of the bottom 6 beat the top 4 and hope we sweep at least 3 of the bottom 6 and split with the rest. Makes us 9-9 in BE and 19-12. Finish 5th or 6th and make the NCAA tourney. Keeping home court serve is essential. You're not wrong, but I don't think this group gets to 9 wins without beating one of Butler, Nova, or SHU at least once out of 6 games.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 17, 2020 11:12:47 GMT -5
I don't see us beating any of the top 3, maybe 4. It's going to be a dogfight among the bottom 6. To me it's simple. Hope none of the bottom 6 beat the top 4 and hope we sweep at least 3 of the bottom 6 and split with the rest. Makes us 9-9 in BE and 19-12. Finish 5th or 6th and make the NCAA tourney. Keeping home court serve is essential. You're not wrong, but I don't think this group gets to 9 wins without beating one of Butler, Nova, or SHU at least once out of 6 games. If we could beat one of the top four, all of whom would be ranked, and assuming we finished 9-9, it would probably guarantee an NCAA bid. If students are going to turn out for any game any one of those home games would be the one to come to.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 17, 2020 16:08:18 GMT -5
We aren’t sweeping DePaul, Xavier, and St Johns. Well be lucky to sweep 2 at best, with sweeping only 1 more likely.
I think well have to upset a Top 3 team and steal a road game from Marquette, Creighton, or Xavier if we want to get to 9 wins.
I think right now 9 wins is the ceiling, but 9 wins no matter who it’s against, and we are in with a 19-12 record against a good schedule and presumably would be no worse than 6th in the conference.
If you made me guess at the most likely scenario, I’d say if we beat Marquette Saturday, we’ll get to 8 and go into the BET firmly on the bubble needing a win to feel better and two wins to feel safe. If we lose to Marquette the math gets harder.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 18, 2020 5:26:47 GMT -5
(I had placed this in the wrong thread).
I started a thread a few weeks back following the last OOC game that the Hoyas needed nine more wins to make it to the NCAA tourney. So when I read comments about how the Hoyas' ceiling is no more than 9-9 in the Big East I don't understand the gloom and doom. Sure that leaves small room for error but the point is the team is still realistically in the ballpark. And as I wrote back then the team could end up 8-10 in the regular season and still get the ninth win in the BET.
Did you guys know that months back the Casual Hoya podcast did a breakdown of the entire schedule and predicted the Hoyas to be 1 & 3 after the fist four games? And this was before the tea lost four players. The hosts of that podcast in the end had Georgetown finishing 10 and 8. That's probably a little rosy considering the circumstances, however maybe some comfort can be taken from the fact that a couple of die hard fans had Gtown losing three of the first four contests.
I realize that the first two losses, especially against Providence, were ugly but the good news is that none of those losses occurred at home. When I started that thread I was optimistic about the Hoyas getting nine more wins because I thought Yurtseven and McClung were playing like top ten BE players, that Yurt was even in top 5 category in my opinion. I also added that the key would also have to be a more consistent Pickett who wold also need to provide a few games in which he provided more than 14 points. Right now none of these things are going as planned and yet the Hoyas are 2-3 anyway. We had key guys injured, not being able to practice, under the weather and playing below their capabilities. So what happens if the team turns those things around?
Obviously its going to be tough but we knew that before the BE season started; it had dominated the conversation weeks before conference play. Nothing has really changed. Yes, the team i barely holding on and as I wrote before an further personnel losses will doom ts bunch. But do I think the top three BE teams are just so vastly superior to the Hoyas that there is no chance? Well, I wouldn't bet money on the Hoyas but there is always a chance. The team traded even blows with Villanova on their court for one half despite Yurtseven and Mac having awful games and one guy on Nova having his best showing ever. Is it that impossible to imagine the Hoyas reversing fortunes when playing Nova in DC? Or how about a game in which two of our guys just get hot from the field and go off? Such a scenario can lead to the Hoyas bringing down anyone in the conference. It may not happen but it can very well happen nonetheless. Keep fingers crossed.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 18, 2020 8:52:51 GMT -5
Depaul and St. Johns both need to win today.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 18, 2020 12:09:36 GMT -5
Akok Akok killing Nova early. If he continues to develop he will be a problem in future years.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 18, 2020 12:58:09 GMT -5
Johnnies up 13 at half at MSG. DePaul up early hosting Butler.
Must protect home court in this conference.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2020 15:06:09 GMT -5
Johnnies up 13 at half at MSG. DePaul up early hosting Butler. Must protect home court in this conference. Seton Hall came back to win by 3... The good news is that DePaul is blowing out Butler @ home right now late in that game.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2020 16:28:28 GMT -5
Have to root hard for Creighton over PC in a bit. Just heard the Fox hosts say that Marcus Zegarowski is sick and won't start...
The game against Allen & Mac may have had more lasting effects than originally thought for Creighton...
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 18, 2020 16:39:24 GMT -5
Have to root hard for Creighton over PC in a bit. Just heard the Fox hosts say that Marcus Zegarowski is sick and won't start... The game against Allen & Mac may have had more lasting effects than originally thought for Creighton... I was just going to say he guarded Mac a lot and probably has the flu.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2020 18:37:25 GMT -5
Terrible choke job by PC, man that was bad...
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 18, 2020 23:21:31 GMT -5
Terrible choke job by PC, man that was bad... No surprise, as Providence is poorly coached. McDermott > Cooley.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2020 23:29:32 GMT -5
Terrible choke job by PC, man that was bad... No surprise, as Providence is poorly coached. McDermott > Cooley. Yeah, this wasn't on Cooley, this was on the players. Specifically, Diallo, who took a terrible shot up 5 and Duke(who played ridiculously well) for turning the ball over at the end.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 22, 2020 11:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 22, 2020 21:18:35 GMT -5
AWWW! I also see that the broken record has returned. I guess we'll hear from him any time the Friars lose a game.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 22, 2020 21:48:22 GMT -5
More lousy coaching.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 22, 2020 23:06:54 GMT -5
So much for teams not separating themselves in the BE this season, Seton Hall is 7-0 & Nova is 5-1...
Every other team has at least 3 losses...
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 23, 2020 0:48:20 GMT -5
So much for teams not separating themselves in the BE this season, Seton Hall is 7-0 & Nova is 5-1... Every other team has at least 3 losses... Barring injuries those two teams figured to be the best and they are showing to be. Butler’s ranking is overrated by their OOC record. They are a good team but not in that top tier. The rest is a lot of not good but not bad jumbled mess.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 23, 2020 10:46:09 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 23, 2020 17:13:34 GMT -5
Written on January 13.
Butler
The Bulldogs lost in the national championship game in the first two years of last decade, and now in the first year of the 2020s, Butler is No. 3 in the NET, No. 5 on kenpom.com and No. 6 in the AP poll as the program is on pace for its highest single-season win total since the Brad Stevens era.
Speaking of Stevens, the Boston Celtics coach who engineered those back-to-back Final Four runs in 2010 and 2011, Butler is now three coaches removed from him, so while he helped the school get into the A-10 and then the Big East, this program is bigger than any coach. Barry Collier, Thad Matta, Todd Lickliter, Stevens, Chris Holtmann and now LaVall Jordan have helped Butler earn, then shed, its feel-good label and become something bigger.
Butler is a one-point road loss to Florida away from being undefeated, it has a top-25 offense and top-10 defense, and a wealth of experience. The Bulldogs are monsters on the defensive glass and defending the 3, while scoring easily inside the arc on offense. If the first half of the 2019-20 season is any indication of how Butler's next decade will go, don't be surprised if the Bulldogs hang another Final Four banner or two in the near future.
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