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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 14, 2019 8:53:09 GMT -5
I shared some of these thoughts over at the AnyGivenSaturday.com board and feel they apply here.
First, this one's on Sgarlata. Coaches set their own schedules.
Here are the opponents playing Patriot League schools this week: Sacred Heart, Bryant, Villanova, William & Mary, UC Davis. Georgetown and William & Mary would sell out new Cooper Field in 2020. Georgetown and Villanova is a game suitable for Audi Field. Instead, Georgetown fans got a D-III school which has lost 10 of its 11 with its only win since November 2017 being the Maine Maritime Academy, with an enrollment of 931.
Is this really the best Georgetown can do? Villanova isn't interested in Georgetown, a given. But a lot of teams aren't. What is the staff to do, start the season in week 4? Yes, the fan in me would say to get on a bus to Incarnate Word or Nicholls State and tough it out, but I think they've all but ruled out any opponent beyond 400 miles. For the rest of the I-AA teams in the region, September games are a chance to step up, not reach down. Which is the issue, isn't it? Playing Georgetown is reaching down for teams like Howard, Towson, or Morgan State when they can play Hampton (before 25,000 or more at Soldier Field), Maine, and James Madison, which are their three opponents tomorrow.
I can almost justify today's opponent by noting Howard's cancellation and an urgent need to fill the schedule and avoid two consecutive weeks on bye. But not a three game series.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 14, 2019 19:34:19 GMT -5
I was at the soccer game, but the bleachers looked full, seemed like people were having a good time. I don't get the big deal. Seemed like a good opponent to have to help fill the stands local and a team we can beat. Let's reposition the question. It's August 29, 2020, and the Georgetown men's soccer season opens with...Stevenson. Then, a game with Widener. A week later, a home game at Shaw versus Mary Washington, a 14-0 win. Bleachers look full, people are having a good time. What's the problem? You would have the right to ask one or more of these questions: "Are we getting anything with these easy wins?"
"Are we preparing the team for Big East play?"
"Can't we do better than______________?"The short answers would be: no, no and yes. Why are other PL teams playing the likes of Wiliam & Mary, or Villanova, or UC-Davis? To get better physically and emotionally, and to be ready for conference play. I'm sure Lehigh could have beaten Moravian 69-0 but what would be gained? The soft bigotry of low expectations continues to undersell Georgetown and underscore the tacit argument that any opponent who does not follow its "ethos and culture" is somehow corrupting to the program. Playing UCLA didn't corrupt the soccer program, did it? Holy Cross beat New Hampshire last week 13-10. Cue the hand-wringing if UNH ever appeared on a Georgetown football schedule. ( See "ethos and culture", p. 142.) Never mind that Georgetown was 25 points better than HC last season until an epic collapse, but let's call them even. Holy Cross didn't take a 69-0 win over Assumption but challenged a regional program and not only earned a win, but gained the kind of experience which makes them a better team in November. Sticking the ball in Catholic's end zone nine times is nice for the stat sheet but isn't going to mean much when it's playing Holy Cross in the snow. You are who your schedule says you are. What does it say about one school which opens with Navy, New Hampshire and Yale, and another with Davidson, Marist, and the Catholic University of America? Who are we, by the way?
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Post by hsaxon on Sept 14, 2019 20:07:59 GMT -5
What do you say to the kids who are down 53-0 at the half? Or who lose 69-0? What do the CU coaches say to themselves and what do they think?
This is sad.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 15, 2019 0:13:06 GMT -5
I was at the soccer game, but the bleachers looked full, seemed like people were having a good time. I don't get the big deal. Seemed like a good opponent to have to help fill the stands local and a team we can beat. We could also fill the stands if we played a team composed of local mascots in their full costumes, but I don't think that's what we're going for with the football program either. People would have a blast, though.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 15, 2019 12:19:10 GMT -5
I know that there are no riveting post-game press conferences nor dozens of reporters in the locker room after a game - but has anyone asked Coach why this game was scheduled, what he expects to gain from a game like this, etc.? If nobody presses him on these issues it will continue to take place.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 15, 2019 18:35:11 GMT -5
I was at the soccer game, but the bleachers looked full, seemed like people were having a good time. I don't get the big deal. Seemed like a good opponent to have to help fill the stands local and a team we can beat. Let's reposition the question. It's August 29, 2020, and the Georgetown men's soccer season opens with...Stevenson. Then, a game with Widener. A week later, a home game at Shaw versus Mary Washington, a 14-0 win. Bleachers look full, people are having a good time. What's the problem? You would have the right to ask one or more of these questions: "Are we getting anything with these easy wins?"
"Are we preparing the team for Big East play?"
"Can't we do better than______________?"The short answers would be: no, no and yes. Why are other PL teams playing the likes of Wiliam & Mary, or Villanova, or UC-Davis? To get better physically and emotionally, and to be ready for conference play. I'm sure Lehigh could have beaten Moravian 69-0 but what would be gained? The soft bigotry of low expectations continues to undersell Georgetown and underscore the tacit argument that any opponent who does not follow its "ethos and culture" is somehow corrupting to the program. Playing UCLA didn't corrupt the soccer program, did it? Holy Cross beat New Hampshire last week 13-10. Cue the hand-wringing if UNH ever appeared on a Georgetown football schedule. ( See "ethos and culture", p. 142.) Never mind that Georgetown was 25 points better than HC last season until an epic collapse, but let's call them even. Holy Cross didn't take a 69-0 win over Assumption but challenged a regional program and not only earned a win, but gained the kind of experience which makes them a better team in November. Sticking the ball in Catholic's end zone nine times is nice for the stat sheet but isn't going to mean much when it's playing Holy Cross in the snow. You are who your schedule says you are. What does it say about one school which opens with Navy, New Hampshire and Yale, and another with Davidson, Marist, and the Catholic University of America? Who are we, by the way? We're all among friends here, so let's be perfectly honest and blunt: you cannot compare soccer to football, because every college soccer player made a conscious choice to go the 'not-for-profit' college route, rather than any of dozens of professional options available in the U.S. and beyond. That route is not open in football, and so there is the presumption that the entire sport at the D-I college level is a form of quasi-indentured servitude. No matter that the collective profit to be earned off of Georgetown football is deep in the red, and even the individual standouts are with few exceptions unlikely to earn more in salary playing the game than the cost in the administration of a league in which they could play. The revenue-generating wing of the NCAA can only exist with a certain critical mass of institutions, and to the extent that Georgetown and other non-scholly schools participate in that, they are partially culpable in its larger mechanism of exploitation, even if they themselves do not gain much, if any, financial profit. In my best Obama Voice, Let Me Be Clear(tm): Division I college football is understood to be a giant moral cesspool in which amateurism is a bad joke of a facade, (mostly black) athlete bodies are expendable, and the very notion of being a student-athlete is a self-evident thin veneer of bull$ (it's even a thing among non-athletes, so you can only imagine how much it is an SOP for those who are scholarship-endowed, even before we talk about publicly-revealed examples: www.nytimes.com/2019/09/07/us/college-cheating-papers.html)So, to get back to your question: if we play UCLA or Michigan State or whomever in soccer, it's fine because the professionals are gone (no one is paying a college soccer player more than they could make as a pro - it's essentially a non-revenue sport as it is). If those schools want to deeply compromise their admissions and even ethical standards to let in players they couldn't get otherwise, then that is deeply regrettable, but it does not radically alter the competitive landscape. For reasons that require a post - maybe a dissertation - of their own, football is very different.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 23, 2019 20:28:58 GMT -5
We're all among friends here, so let's be perfectly honest and blunt: you cannot compare soccer to football, because every college soccer player made a conscious choice to go the 'not-for-profit' college route, rather than any of dozens of professional options available in the U.S. and beyond. That route is not open in football, and so there is the presumption that the entire sport at the D-I college level is a form of quasi-indentured servitude. Football players do not have free entry to the pros for union reasons (the NFLPA doesn't want them) but for a far more practical one: a high school senior is not capable of playing at the NFL level. They would be at physical risk in a much faster and much stronger game that what they played in high school. And let's dial back the wonky "quasi-indentured servitude" nonsense. No one is forced to play football. A football scholarship is a one year offer, nothing more. BTW...Excepting the Ivy League, how many Division I schools in the Northeast play non-scholarship football? Answer: Two.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 30, 2019 22:47:12 GMT -5
We're all among friends here, so let's be perfectly honest and blunt: you cannot compare soccer to football, because every college soccer player made a conscious choice to go the 'not-for-profit' college route, rather than any of dozens of professional options available in the U.S. and beyond. That route is not open in football, and so there is the presumption that the entire sport at the D-I college level is a form of quasi-indentured servitude. Football players do not have free entry to the pros for union reasons (the NFLPA doesn't want them) but for a far more practical one: a high school senior is not capable of playing at the NFL level. They would be at physical risk in a much faster and much stronger game that what they played in high school. I mean, there is some truth to that, but that's not really a rebuttal of my point. You could just as easily have ended up with a system like baseball or junior hockey, where collegiate-age players receive professional compensation even as their level of competition is limited to a certain age or quality standard. The point is that football essentially lacks this, not that HS->NFL is a viable route for anyone except the freakiest of freak athletes. And let's dial back the wonky "quasi-indentured servitude" nonsense. No one is forced to play football. A football scholarship is a one year offer, nothing more. Sorry, but plugging our fingers in our ears because we don't want to listen to things we disagree with (and, heck, *I* disagree with a fair amount of the rhetoric around this issue and find myself closer to universities' stance than most of those with whom I am usually ideologically aligned) isn't going to help us much. Indeed, it will probably hinder us from understanding how it is that, say, California is willing to take legislative action on the issue. Or why even many of the talking heads on the sports networks who benefit extensively from the current model are willing to challenge it a la Jay Bilas. You may not agree with it - everyone's entitled to their opinion. But ignoring it ain't gonna make it go away. BTW...Excepting the Ivy League, how many Division I schools in the Northeast play non-scholarship football? Answer: Two. Some day I might start repeating this like a broken record, but... you can't "except" the Ivy League, because they and their model constitute most of the rationale for the continuation of Georgetown's program. If the Eight were to collectively drop their programs tomorrow, Georgetown would follow suit sooner rather than later (that is my opinion, of course, but I'm certainly willing to entertain arguments to the contrary - I just haven't heard any I find persuasive).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 1, 2019 6:48:19 GMT -5
Some day I might start repeating this like a broken record, but... you can't "except" the Ivy League, because they and their model constitute most of the rationale for the continuation of Georgetown's program. If the Eight were to collectively drop their programs tomorrow, Georgetown would follow suit sooner rather than later (that is my opinion, of course, but I'm certainly willing to entertain arguments to the contrary - I just haven't heard any I find persuasive). Some, but not most of the rationale. Georgetown didn't play a single Ivy from 1964 to 2003, and going forward only one Ivy team will be on the schedule each year from 2020 through 2027 based on current posted schedules. Many Ivies simply do not want to play Georgetown going forward for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the perception that it's not a competitive program for them. Since 2005, GU is 5-26 vs. Ivy opponents, with four of those five wins vs. either Columbia or Brown--coincendentally, those are the only two Ivy schools scheduling Georgetown into the next decade. If the Ivies aren't going to be on future schedules, this is as good a time as any to discuss the schools Georgetown should be seeking to schedule. A game like Catholic is a step in the wrong direction.
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Post by teddy16 on Oct 1, 2019 9:19:15 GMT -5
Cornell and Dartmouth have both scheduled Marist this year (the same Marist we trounced 43-3, 3 weeks ago (it wasn't that close) and handedly beat last season. GU is a far more competitive program than Marist. Based on the comparable scores of what Cornell and GU did to Marist in '19 - we should be quite competitive with Cornell this weekend (even on the road). this team is on verge of achieving some exceptional and unprecedented results (barring a rash of injuries as we do not have the depth a lot of our competitors do). I think this team will prove it is very competitive with the iVies. last season we were led by many sophmores and juniors who are a year older - its making a significant difference. perennial tough foes - Lehigh is down and Colgate appears to be down this season also, beware. looking at our remaining schedule - - Holy Cross appears to be the toughest test standing (Fordham is also decent but we have them at home on Homecoming - I like our chances). sure, a lot has to play out in next 8 weeks or so (its dangerous to play things out and look too far ahead etc..,), but there is room for optimism and with Cooper stadium nearing completion - this program is on upswing. the likes of Richmond, William & Mary should find us attractive future opponents (other PL teams played both of them this year) and Villanova (I mean other peer PL teams play them also- - they should be and need to be on our schedule every year !!!). we don't need the Ivies to grow our program anymore which will make us more desirable. we are near the top of PL (for 2 consecutive seasons after being annual doormats who won 1 game in '17 and lost every PL contest !!!) with a very talented team - - I think the future is bright for the 1st time in decades. the Davidson loss was painful and a proverbial 'trap' game...but I witnessed the Columbia victory 1st hand- - I am a believer (we were the far more talented team and it was more obvious than the story told by the stat sheet - we were 3 touchdowns better than them). I hope Cornell takes us lightly and perceives our poor history against Ivy opponents as reason to be super confident- - they will be in for a big mistake if they do. Go Hoyas !!!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 3, 2019 13:50:01 GMT -5
Some day I might start repeating this like a broken record, but... you can't "except" the Ivy League, because they and their model constitute most of the rationale for the continuation of Georgetown's program. If the Eight were to collectively drop their programs tomorrow, Georgetown would follow suit sooner rather than later (that is my opinion, of course, but I'm certainly willing to entertain arguments to the contrary - I just haven't heard any I find persuasive). Some, but not most of the rationale. Georgetown didn't play a single Ivy from 1964 to 2003, and going forward only one Ivy team will be on the schedule each year from 2020 through 2027 based on current posted schedules. Many Ivies simply do not want to play Georgetown going forward for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the perception that it's not a competitive program for them. Since 2005, GU is 5-26 vs. Ivy opponents, with four of those five wins vs. either Columbia or Brown--coincendentally, those are the only two Ivy schools scheduling Georgetown into the next decade. If the Ivies aren't going to be on future schedules, this is as good a time as any to discuss the schools Georgetown should be seeking to schedule. A game like Catholic is a step in the wrong direction. Playing Catholic isn't all bad. It is essentially a scrimmage and allows you to get your young guys some minutes. If we could play it in week one, it would be more of a tune up. A game against them or a school like Hopkins could make sense. It also prevents you from punching way up and wearing down your roster before conference games. Howard is a game we should have scheduled ideally. There just aren't a lot of IAA teams competing at the non-scholarship level. In our best years we can play with some CAA teams but not every year. The only other "like" conference is the Pioneer and they aren't in our geographic footprint outside of Davidson. My guess is you are also scheduling teams in regions that kids families can see them play. Morehead State and Drake don't quite fit the bill. I think coach has this thing rolling in the right direction despite the inherent challenges of coaching a non-scholarship program in a scholarship conference while waiting on a facility that is being built.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 3, 2019 14:44:26 GMT -5
Playing Catholic isn't all bad. It is essentially a scrimmage and allows you to get your young guys some minutes. If we could play it in week one, it would be more of a tune up. A game against them or a school like Hopkins could make sense. It also prevents you from punching way up and wearing down your roster before conference games. Howard is a game we should have scheduled ideally. There just aren't a lot of IAA teams competing at the non-scholarship level. In our best years we can play with some CAA teams but not every year. The only other "like" conference is the Pioneer and they aren't in our geographic footprint outside of Davidson. My guess is you are also scheduling teams in regions that kids families can see them play. Morehead State and Drake don't quite fit the bill. I think coach has this thing rolling in the right direction despite the inherent challenges of coaching a non-scholarship program in a scholarship conference while waiting on a facility that is being built. Georgetown has to get out of this parochial mindset that they are unworthy to play schools outside the ethos and culture of not-for-scholarship football. Explain to me why some people don't want to schedule Richmond (a team which lost to Fordham by seven) or VMI (lost to Robert Morris by 10) or even Villanova (they of the 3-0 record versus other PL schools this year) but rationalize that 53-0 at the half versus a winless D-III team is somehow more honorable. Being non-scholarship doesn't mean you are noncompetitive. San Diego lost to #4 ranked UC Davis 38-35. I wouldn't bank on a Cooper Half-Field solving the scheduling problem. It takes Georgetown from worst to merely Marist-like as far as facilities go. And if Georgetown could swing a neutral site game in Chicago like Howard did, well, raise the money and get it done. Butler is three hours from Chicago.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 3, 2019 23:18:07 GMT -5
Georgetown has to get out of this parochial mindset that they are unworthy to play schools outside the ethos and culture of not-for-scholarship football. Explain to me why some people don't want to schedule Richmond (a team which lost to Fordham by seven) or VMI (lost to Robert Morris by 10) or even Villanova (they of the 3-0 record versus other PL schools this year) but rationalize that 53-0 at the half versus a winless D-III team is somehow more honorable. Being non-scholarship doesn't mean you are noncompetitive. San Diego lost to #4 ranked UC Davis 38-35. I'm actually in full agreement with you here. Heck, I'm pretty sure VMI was the first team I saw the Hoyas play (homecoming my freshman year). The Hoyas won, 21-0. Kim Sarin - remember that guy?! First 1,000 yard rusher EVER at Georgetown! An Asian-American college running back!!! - ran for 180 yards on 31 carries and threw a 28-yard touchdown pass to boot. Aaaanyway... I would argue that this point is, in fact, a counterargument to your response to me regarding the dearth of Ivies on our schedule: just because our ethos is a copy of theirs doesn't mean we have to only play them... or even play them often! Just because you want to be Muhammad Ali doesn't mean you can only fight him. We model our program after theirs, but we recognize that their resources far outstrip ours, even as some of their number face major competitive constraints in their own right (at Georgetown, the crappiness of our football team has long been a joke. At Columbia, it was an actual badge of honor). That means that our ability to compete with them might be limited to a great extent, at least for now. Basketball is obviously a very different sport, but the corollary is: we sure as hell aren't going to run our program like Kansas or Duke do, but we'll play them just the same. Where I diverge is in thinking this specific scheduling issue is caused by a 'parochial' mindset. I don't think that's it. I believe, rather, that it was a lack of confidence in our program's competitiveness, borne of a string of utterly woeful seasons. The successes that Rob Sgarlata has been able to accrue, as relatively modest as they have been (although beating Lehigh for the first time since 1925 still counts as a big moment in my book), should stimulate a re-examination. Final thought: the built-out Cooper Field may not amount to all that much when compared to other DI-AA facilities, but the Thompson Center really is a state-of-the-art operation. While football's use is largely limited to weightlifting and athletic training, even that is a huge step up from previous conditions. The football team's McDonough digs are also noticeable less cramped with several key tenants permanently relocated next door.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 4, 2019 8:06:06 GMT -5
Playing Catholic isn't all bad. It is essentially a scrimmage and allows you to get your young guys some minutes. If we could play it in week one, it would be more of a tune up. A game against them or a school like Hopkins could make sense. It also prevents you from punching way up and wearing down your roster before conference games. Howard is a game we should have scheduled ideally. There just aren't a lot of IAA teams competing at the non-scholarship level. In our best years we can play with some CAA teams but not every year. The only other "like" conference is the Pioneer and they aren't in our geographic footprint outside of Davidson. My guess is you are also scheduling teams in regions that kids families can see them play. Morehead State and Drake don't quite fit the bill. I think coach has this thing rolling in the right direction despite the inherent challenges of coaching a non-scholarship program in a scholarship conference while waiting on a facility that is being built. Georgetown has to get out of this parochial mindset that they are unworthy to play schools outside the ethos and culture of not-for-scholarship football. Explain to me why some people don't want to schedule Richmond (a team which lost to Fordham by seven) or VMI (lost to Robert Morris by 10) or even Villanova (they of the 3-0 record versus other PL schools this year) but rationalize that 53-0 at the half versus a winless D-III team is somehow more honorable. Being non-scholarship doesn't mean you are noncompetitive. San Diego lost to #4 ranked UC Davis 38-35. I wouldn't bank on a Cooper Half-Field solving the scheduling problem. It takes Georgetown from worst to merely Marist-like as far as facilities go. And if Georgetown could swing a neutral site game in Chicago like Howard did, well, raise the money and get it done. Butler is three hours from Chicago. I think my comment on Cooper was mistaken. My point was simply that while construction is ongoing, it isn't ideal to play home games let alone marquee home games. I don't really view it as a fix for recruiting although it can't hurt. Butler would be a good game to schedule. I guess we are further along then when we played Richmond and had to cancel the 2nd game in that series (is that what happened?) and when we played Old Dominion in their first year and got stomped. Losing 59-0 also doesn't solve problems either.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2019 10:41:02 GMT -5
I think my comment on Cooper was mistaken. My point was simply that while construction is ongoing, it isn't ideal to play home games let alone marquee home games. I don't really view it as a fix for recruiting although it can't hurt. Butler would be a good game to schedule. I guess we are further along then when we played Richmond and had to cancel the 2nd game in that series (is that what happened?) and when we played Old Dominion in their first year and got stomped. Losing 59-0 also doesn't solve problems either. Kevin Kelly canceled the two remaining games in the Richmond series. Old Dominion and Georgetown jointly agreed to drop the series after ODU beat Georgetown 31-10. ODU was about to get real good, real fast. Their next three years they won 8, 10, and 11 games, respectively in CAA play and were in I-A by 2013. The perception was that Kelly's poor records in his first four years (2-9, 1-10, 2-8, and 0-11) didn't give him a lot of faith to schedule up.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 5, 2019 10:28:10 GMT -5
I think my comment on Cooper was mistaken. My point was simply that while construction is ongoing, it isn't ideal to play home games let alone marquee home games. I don't really view it as a fix for recruiting although it can't hurt. Butler would be a good game to schedule. I guess we are further along then when we played Richmond and had to cancel the 2nd game in that series (is that what happened?) and when we played Old Dominion in their first year and got stomped. Losing 59-0 also doesn't solve problems either. Kevin Kelly canceled the two remaining games in the Richmond series. Old Dominion and Georgetown jointly agreed to drop the series after ODU beat Georgetown 31-10. ODU was about to get real good, real fast. Their next three years they won 8, 10, and 11 games, respectively in CAA play and were in I-A by 2013. The perception was that Kelly's poor records in his first four years (2-9, 1-10, 2-8, and 0-11) didn't give him a lot of faith to schedule up. And perception, as we know, oftentimes is reality. Speaking of Hey What Happened to That Guy, Kevin Kelly is now the linebackers coach for... the New York Guardians XFL team.
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Post by whitebuffalo on Oct 21, 2019 15:28:59 GMT -5
I'm little late to this conversation but Kelly in the XFL just made me laugh so hard at work. Honestly, that's probably not a bad marriage. I've had a lot of coaches over the years but man he was a hard guy to figure out. Happy to see Sgar at the helm especially looking back at those transition years with Kelly...
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 22, 2019 0:47:03 GMT -5
I'm little late to this conversation but Kelly in the XFL just made me laugh so hard at work. Honestly, that's probably not a bad marriage. I've had a lot of coaches over the years but man he was a hard guy to figure out. Happy to see Sgar at the helm especially looking back at those transition years with Kelly... Truly a terrible coach and not a nice guy to boot. Fun fact: he was briefly the head coach at Wyoming Seminary, a prep school in PA, and they went winless under his charge.
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Post by whitebuffalo on Oct 22, 2019 13:36:55 GMT -5
I'm little late to this conversation but Kelly in the XFL just made me laugh so hard at work. Honestly, that's probably not a bad marriage. I've had a lot of coaches over the years but man he was a hard guy to figure out. Happy to see Sgar at the helm especially looking back at those transition years with Kelly... Truly a terrible coach and not a nice guy to boot. Fun fact: he was briefly the head coach at Wyoming Seminary, a prep school in PA, and they went winless under his charge. Couldn't agree more. I don't know a single teammate, school admin, parent or booster who has anything positive to say about Kelly. One of the most unapproachable guys I've ever met. One thing that always baffled me was how a guy such as Bernard Muir hired him. Muir has gone on to such great success, even as recent as watching him on TV during NCAA tourney or on the sidelines during Stanford games, Muir was the complete opposite. He would go around and visit athletes in the hospital post surgery and even follow up with parents. I'm not sure Kelly knew 1/2 the names of his players. I know Benson ran a loose ship but Kelly's tenure really fractured the alumni.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 22, 2019 23:47:15 GMT -5
Truly a terrible coach and not a nice guy to boot. Fun fact: he was briefly the head coach at Wyoming Seminary, a prep school in PA, and they went winless under his charge. Couldn't agree more. I don't know a single teammate, school admin, parent or booster who has anything positive to say about Kelly. One of the most unapproachable guys I've ever met. One thing that always baffled me was how a guy such as Bernard Muir hired him. Muir has gone on to such great success, even as recent as watching him on TV during NCAA tourney or on the sidelines during Stanford games, Muir was the complete opposite. He would go around and visit athletes in the hospital post surgery and even follow up with parents. I'm not sure Kelly knew 1/2 the names of his players. I know Benson ran a loose ship but Kelly's tenure really fractured the alumni. Another fun fact: I took an organizational leadership course in the spring semester and got my group to interview and then critique Kelly's management style for a class presentation. He was absolutely thrilled by our recommendations and insight (narrator: he was not).
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