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Post by drquigley on Jul 10, 2019 10:34:21 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder about my fellow Board members. How can you say PE "whiffed" on anyone when we all know that last year was the first year he really had any recruiting options and 3 of those recruits were all BE rookies and a fourth, Carter, was always a project. Regarding Walker, saying PE whiffed on him when it was obvious to anyone who saw him in Kenner (and who check him out at URI) he would have been a big plus for this team. In fact, I respect PE for dismissing him since many coaches would have found ways to keep him around.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 10, 2019 11:52:13 GMT -5
I didn't expect Ewing to land Top 50ish recruits right away. I thought it would take some time to demonstrate that Georgetown is improving, regaining its mojo, and a valid landing spot for high level talent. To that end, I think what Ewing accomplished on the recruiting front by pulling in Omer as a transfer, and James, Josh, and Mac as frosh last year was nothing short of a miracle. Adding Q, Allen, Myron, and Galen this year seems like another strong haul. I think we will begin to see exciting results in 2019-2020, both on the court (by returning to the dance with a Top 25 competitive team) and in recruiting (by convincing recruits like Davis, T. Williams, M. Williams, or similar ilk to sign on the line which is dotted). Success on the court leads to success in recruiting. I think in a parallel universe Ewing lands Stewart the weekend after he takes the job by visiting him immediately and promising to build the program around him.....we will see what happens in this universe. Ha! I'd like to consume whatever it would take to convey me to that parallel universe...! |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 10, 2019 11:53:57 GMT -5
In fact, I respect PE for dismissing [Walker] since many coaches would have found ways to keep him around. It may not have been Ewing's decision in the first place. If there was a violation of student conduct it quickly moves beyond a coach's discretion. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 10, 2019 11:55:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder about my fellow Board members. How can you say PE "whiffed" on anyone when we all know that last year was the first year he really had any recruiting options and 3 of those recruits were all BE rookies and a fourth, Carter, was always a project. Regarding Walker, saying PE whiffed on him when it was obvious to anyone who saw him in Kenner (and who check him out at URI) he would have been a big plus for this team. In fact, I respect PE for dismissing him since many coaches would have found ways to keep him around. Totally agree. His recruiting has been outstanding given the turnaround situation and limited timeframe. Don't forget the transfers of Greg and Omer last year - Greg was a valuable bench piece and Omer appears to be a major part of the future. Outstanding work in my mind. With the 2020 class, I think Pat can make a really big statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 13:13:16 GMT -5
No clue why guys are caught up on 5 stars... It's a team game, and the Nova model has been more successful than the UK one...
I'll also add that those programs aren't just getting 5 stars, they're getting top 5, or top 10 kids. They still lose to veteran teams with 3-4 stars more often than not when it counts.
2019 Virginia (35-3)
2018 Villanova (36-4)
2017 North Carolina (33-7)
2016 Villanova (35-5)
2015 Duke (35-4)
2014 Connecticut (32-8)
2013 Louisville (35-5)*
2012 Kentucky (38-2)
2011 Connecticut (32-
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 10, 2019 13:19:23 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder about my fellow Board members. How can you say PE "whiffed" on anyone when we all know that last year was the first year he really had any recruiting options and 3 of those recruits were all BE rookies and a fourth, Carter, was always a project. Regarding Walker, saying PE whiffed on him when it was obvious to anyone who saw him in Kenner (and who check him out at URI) he would have been a big plus for this team. In fact, I respect PE for dismissing him since many coaches would have found ways to keep him around. Yes, yes, and yes. Coach Ewing is just getting on par with kids he has been able to recruit since their freshman/ sophomore year. He has worked wonders. |
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 10, 2019 13:53:55 GMT -5
No clue why guys are caught up on 5 stars... It's a team game, and the Nova model has been more successful than the UK one... I'll also add that those programs aren't just getting 5 stars, they're getting top 5, or top 10 kids. They still lose to veteran teams with 3-4 stars more often than not when it counts. 2019 Virginia (35-3) 2018 Villanova (36-4) 2017 North Carolina (33-7) 2016 Villanova (35-5) 2015 Duke (35-4) 2014 Connecticut (32-8) 2013 Louisville (35-5)* 2012 Kentucky (38-2) 2011 Connecticut (32- Instead of 5*, let’s just say consensus Top 100 guys that are no where near #100. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 14:38:21 GMT -5
No clue why guys are caught up on 5 stars... It's a team game, and the Nova model has been more successful than the UK one... I'll also add that those programs aren't just getting 5 stars, they're getting top 5, or top 10 kids. They still lose to veteran teams with 3-4 stars more often than not when it counts. 2019 Virginia (35-3) 2018 Villanova (36-4) 2017 North Carolina (33-7) 2016 Villanova (35-5) 2015 Duke (35-4) 2014 Connecticut (32-8) 2013 Louisville (35-5)* 2012 Kentucky (38-2) 2011 Connecticut (32- Instead of 5*, let’s just say consensus Top 100 guys that are no where near #100. Ok, but either way Akinjo, and Leblanc were near #100, and they seem to be doing fine. We would kill to have the success Wichita St, or Texas Tech has had recently, and they haven't landed those high 4 and 5 star kids. There's a lot of ways to run a successful program. Get guys that fit your system and coach them up. As you become more successful it gets easier to land kids, but "star power" has very little to do with the recruiting process. Tell me what's your plan to make my kid the best he can be, and show me receipts. Penny coached a lot of those kids coming up, and he helped them get to this point. There's familiarity, and a track record of success that he can point 2. That's why it's been easier for him. |
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 10, 2019 15:08:33 GMT -5
Instead of 5*, let’s just say consensus Top 100 guys that are no where near #100. Ok, but either way Akinjo, and Leblanc were near #100, and they seem to be doing fine. We would kill to have the success Wichita St, or Texas Tech has had recently, and they haven't landed those high 4 and 5 star kids. There's a lot of ways to run a successful program. Get guys that fit your system and coach them up. As you become more successful it gets easier to land kids, but "star power" has very little to do with the recruiting process. Tell me what's your plan to make my kid the best he can be, and show me receipts. Penny coached a lot of those kids coming up, and he helped them get to this point. There's familiarity, and a track record of success that he can point 2. That's why it's been easier for him. I agree with all your points about development. I just look forward to when our commits are less one dimensional or under-sized or over-looked. If your strategy is to find and polish diamonds in the rough, you are taking risks that you probably wish you weren’t taking. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 10, 2019 15:18:09 GMT -5
Instead of 5*, let’s just say consensus Top 100 guys that are no where near #100. Ok, but either way Akinjo, and Leblanc were near #100, and they seem to be doing fine. We would kill to have the success Wichita St, or Texas Tech has had recently, and they haven't landed those high 4 and 5 star kids. There's a lot of ways to run a successful program. Get guys that fit your system and coach them up. As you become more successful it gets easier to land kids, but "star power" has very little to do with the recruiting process. Tell me what's your plan to make my kid the best he can be, and show me receipts. Penny coached a lot of those kids coming up, and he helped them get to this point. There's familiarity, and a track record of success that he can point 2. That's why it's been easier for him. Correct on Penny. I'll be interested to see what level of recruiting he can sustain after two to three years when the kids he has known through AAU are all cycled out. If he is successful in the next two years he will be fine, but the margin for error there is slim considering the AAC isn't a marquee TV asset. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 10, 2019 15:35:23 GMT -5
Penny should go after Butch McRae.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 10, 2019 16:02:00 GMT -5
Pat seems to be recruiting athletic and aggressive players. This will help our rebounding and defensive woes. Gotta love in your face and above the rim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 16:32:58 GMT -5
In fact, I respect PE for dismissing [Walker] since many coaches would have found ways to keep him around. It may not have been Ewing's decision in the first place. If there was a violation of student conduct it quickly moves beyond a coach's discretion. I’m confused. I thought John Thompson Jr. was still making all decisions around anything that even remotely involved the basketball team? |
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 10, 2019 16:39:54 GMT -5
Ok, but either way Akinjo, and Leblanc were near #100, and they seem to be doing fine. We would kill to have the success Wichita St, or Texas Tech has had recently, and they haven't landed those high 4 and 5 star kids. There's a lot of ways to run a successful program. Get guys that fit your system and coach them up. As you become more successful it gets easier to land kids, but "star power" has very little to do with the recruiting process. Tell me what's your plan to make my kid the best he can be, and show me receipts. Penny coached a lot of those kids coming up, and he helped them get to this point. There's familiarity, and a track record of success that he can point 2. That's why it's been easier for him. Correct on Penny. I'll be interested to see what level of recruiting he can sustain after two to three years when the kids he has known through AAU are all cycled out. If he is successful in the next two years he will be fine, but the margin for error there is slim considering the AAC isn't a marquee TV asset. It's not just Penny, Mike Miller has done very well for Memphis so far... He was the lead on both Quinones & Achiuwa who weren't part of Penny's AAU connections and Boogie Ellis also cited a tight relationship with Miller... Here's an article about Miller getting tight with highly regarded Zaire Williams.. www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/basketball/2019/05/14/memphis-basketball-mike-miller-ziaire-williams/1191780001/"It's not even like (Miller) is a coach," Williams said. "We can talk about anything. We actually FaceTime. He's the only coach that FaceTimes me, which is dope. He calls and we talk like two or three times a week."
"He's been in our position before, so when he talks to us, he knows how to relate," Williams added.Which assistant from Gtown consistently gets mentions by players? |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 10, 2019 22:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 22:28:48 GMT -5
Correct on Penny. I'll be interested to see what level of recruiting he can sustain after two to three years when the kids he has known through AAU are all cycled out. If he is successful in the next two years he will be fine, but the margin for error there is slim considering the AAC isn't a marquee TV asset. It's not just Penny, Mike Miller has done very well for Memphis so far... He was the lead on both Quinones & Achiuwa who weren't part of Penny's AAU connections and Boogie Ellis also cited a tight relationship with Miller... Here's an article about Miller getting tight with highly regarded Zaire Williams.. www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/basketball/2019/05/14/memphis-basketball-mike-miller-ziaire-williams/1191780001/"It's not even like (Miller) is a coach," Williams said. "We can talk about anything. We actually FaceTime. He's the only coach that FaceTimes me, which is dope. He calls and we talk like two or three times a week."
"He's been in our position before, so when he talks to us, he knows how to relate," Williams added.Which assistant from Gtown consistently gets mentions by players? Agree... Kirby does. You see Waheed name come up from time to time, but Miller is a top 5 assistant right now. He's hands down one of the best recruiting assistants in the game. Miller was a Fabolous hire, and has done extremely well, but I think his hire is a result of Penny knowing the game from the ground up. That's why he grabbed those assistants. That's also why I think unless he's a horrible coach he will be able to sustain his recruiting success even after the kids he coached move on. There's always talented kids coming out of Memphis and he's pretty much locked down the area. I'd bet that Miller gets a head coaching gets a head coaching gig after this year if Memphis plays to potential. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 23:38:16 GMT -5
Ok, but either way Akinjo, and Leblanc were near #100, and they seem to be doing fine. We would kill to have the success Wichita St, or Texas Tech has had recently, and they haven't landed those high 4 and 5 star kids. There's a lot of ways to run a successful program. Get guys that fit your system and coach them up. As you become more successful it gets easier to land kids, but "star power" has very little to do with the recruiting process. Tell me what's your plan to make my kid the best he can be, and show me receipts. Penny coached a lot of those kids coming up, and he helped them get to this point. There's familiarity, and a track record of success that he can point 2. That's why it's been easier for him. I agree with all your points about development. I just look forward to when our commits are less one dimensional or under-sized or over-looked. If your strategy is to find and polish diamonds in the rough, you are taking risks that you probably wish you weren’t taking. I feel you, but I don't think many of our recruits are really one dimensional. I personally don't mind a couple guys like that sprinkled in if they are very good at their specialty. If Wilson becomes and elite defensive big, he will have value even if his offense never comes around. Interesting but I was looking at Texas' roster after the game was announced and they will have 7 kids on their team that were ranked 55 or lower on their team when we play. They had 6 last year. Texas Tech had 1, and he came off the bench. The difference is most of those kid on Texas we're young. Tech had a lot of older players. Grown men vs boys. There's a big difference between 18-19 and 22-23. It's talent vs a more finished product. A good part of rankings are based on what type of prospect a kid is, rather than what type of player he is right now. Scouts might not believe in RJ Davis' long term potential because he's small. So he gets put below kids with higher NBA upside. Same goes for T Williams, but the fact are these kids are going to be high level college players. Myles Powell, Marcus Howard are both undersized. If they were bigger they would be in the NBA. That's bad news for other teams in the league, because those kids are killers. It's not stopping them from being excellent college players. It's stopping them from being pros. You can't have a team of midgets or one dimensional players, but sometimes a player's deficiencies can be a blessing to a college program because it keeps them in school. |
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