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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 20, 2019 14:25:31 GMT -5
Final 0-0. 23 BE games without a loss.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 20, 2019 16:19:38 GMT -5
Needless to say tomorrows game in Indy is a big one. A win or tie would pretty much wrap the Big East regular season title as when you look down the standings the remaining teams should not afford the same opposition of those we have beaten already. Butler is the one exception. We have tie breakers with the top five assuming a win. A tie would leave things a bit in doubt for a game or two.....Go Hoyas. A scoreless draw is probably the outcome we most expected, to be honest. The Butler Bowl is just a tough place for us to go with our style of play - Dave talked about how the turf was soft and spongy and "like playing on the Moon at moments." I thought the effort was there for the most part today, even if the execution was spotty at times, and the reffing was... inconsistent (for Dave to have pointed that out in the post-game is a pretty big deal in and of itself, although Butler will surely feel like they were the most hard done by the officiating). Amanda Carolan went off with an ankle injury and was wearing an icepack on the bench for the latter part of the game. Hopefully it's not serious, because the Hoyas are going to need her offensive presence to win on the road at DePaul. Seton Hall is hopeless and not-much-better St. John's has to come to DC this year. Logjam in the middle of the table with three games left. Slightly awkward for Creighton to host the tournament this year when they're not going to be anywhere near it. Team | Points | Wins | Losses | Draws | Georgetown | 14 | 4 | 0 | 2 | Xavier | 12 | 4 | 2 | 0 | Butler | 11 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Providence | 10 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Villanova | 10 | 3 | 2 | 1 | DePaul | 10 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Marquette | 10 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Creighton | 5 | 1 | 3 | 2 | St. John's | 3 | 1 | 5 | 0 | Seton Hall | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 21, 2019 12:40:42 GMT -5
Also, Butler's field has markings all over, so it was tough (to me as a watcher) to see where the out-of-bounds lines were.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Oct 24, 2019 17:37:39 GMT -5
An ugly and nasty loss today on the road at DePaul. There never seemed any energy, any aggressiveness to goal from the start. Pop up headers, long passes to DePaul players----boom ball maxed out. No threaded give and go passes, no keeping the ball on the ground, and most of all a team walking through a game as if it were a dress rehearsal.
Well now things may set up poorly for our Hoyas. If Xavier wins tonight we are in second place. If Butler wins we are tied with them either for first or second place. Guess where we are with the NCAA after all those nice pre season wins over top flight teams??? Well, probably in the position of having to win the BEAST tourney just to get in to the NCAA tourney. Bad, bad loss.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 24, 2019 21:58:59 GMT -5
An ugly and nasty loss today on the road at DePaul. There never seemed any energy, any aggressiveness to goal from the start. Pop up headers, long passes to DePaul players----boom ball maxed out. No threaded give and go passes, no keeping the ball on the ground, and most of all a team walking through a game as if it were a dress rehearsal. Well now things may set up poorly for our Hoyas. If Xavier wins tonight we are in second place. If Butler wins we are tied with them either for first or second place. Guess where we are with the NCAA after all those nice pre season wins over top flight teams??? Well, probably in the position of having to win the BEAST tourney just to get in to the NCAA tourney. Bad, bad loss. Yeah... not great, Bob. Wish Field has not been kind to us over the years. Xavier and Butler both won, so the Hoyas now sit in second, tied with Butler on 14 points but holding the tiebreaker by virtue of having defeated the highest-ranking team in the standings (Xavier). The saving grace here is that Butler and Xavier play each other in the season finale. The path toward a title therefore looks like this: win out to put yourself at 20 points and then hope Butler and Xavier tie. If Xavier goes 1-0-1, then'd end up on 19. Not sure who would end up holding the tie-breaker in the event both the Hoyas and Butler won out. Absolutely no excuse not to win the last two, with Seton Hall occupying their perennial cellar and Creighton only two spots above that.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Oct 25, 2019 7:59:50 GMT -5
Minor correction. We have the Hall and the Johnnies, but regardless must win out to keep the door open. Neither Xavier, nor Butler have an easy road, with Marquette and DePaul for a single, then each other. Your scenario is good, but what I worry about more is that the team is falling back on the way we were playing the game in the first five games. I thought we had improved and grown out of that, but maybe not. Also, with the past four years success a fan can get unduly optimistic. I just hope the last three games are not our reality. We are reacting to aggressive play and coming out of our game plan.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Oct 26, 2019 8:54:41 GMT -5
The strength of the league (or lack thereof) obviously magnifies every loss (or tie).
But we are still likely right around 30-35 or so in the RPI at worse. Really, as long as they take four points in these last two, they should be in. If you can't do that, considering the competition, they probably don't deserve it barring a BET title anyway.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Oct 26, 2019 10:23:23 GMT -5
Correct but our biggest win this year was the trouncing of WVU. Early on we were so so vs. NCState and not even that vs. Virginia. I attributed that to ACC and the fact those teams were good and we were coming together early on. Then we seemed to step on the throttle and started blowing good teams out. This appeared to be our unexpected reality after losing so much offensive punch and a great goalie last year. But now I question the energy of this team. Can they make a run or are they one and done on the road in an NCAA game. Each game is a debit card to seeding, and ours is sinking just when it should be rising. We should win out against the bottom dwelling wankers, but then we also must wait on the Xavier and Butler results to gain a Big East title. So often only one Big East team is invited to the dance. I still think we are OK there, but seeding is big. Being a road warrior throughout the playoffs is not as comforting as the soft grass of Shaw Field.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 26, 2019 16:17:45 GMT -5
Minor correction. We have the Hall and the Johnnies, but regardless must win out to keep the door open. Neither Xavier, nor Butler have an easy road, with Marquette and DePaul for a single, then each other. Your scenario is good, but what I worry about more is that the team is falling back on the way we were playing the game in the first five games. I thought we had improved and grown out of that, but maybe not. Also, with the past four years success a fan can get unduly optimistic. I just hope the last three games are not our reality. We are reacting to aggressive play and coming out of our game plan. Woops, right, St. John's not Creighton. So the bottom two teams (unless St. John's knocks off Creighton in their Sunday tilt) in the league at home to close out the season, with the opposition playing only for pride. If you can't win those two, you can't expect - and, frankly, don't deserve - advantageous treatment from the selection committee or anyone else. As it is, if they win out, the worst the Hoyas can finish is 2nd, which is good enough for the bye into the semis. With the final three matches at a neutral site, there's not that much of a difference between being the #1 and the #2 as far as winning the automatic bid is concerned. There's not all that much separation between the top teams this season. On a more positive note, everyone should go listen to this pair of extended podcast interviews with Assistant Coach Lyndse Hokanson. As I mentioned to her this afternoon at the men's game, it's a really enjoyable listen. And I would say it offers unprecedented insight into Georgetown women's soccer specifically and the college women's game more broadly. Can't recommend enough. Now, if only we could get our various University publications and house organs to get the number of students right... we do not have 7,500 undergrads! Long-standing pet peeve of mine
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 27, 2019 8:41:22 GMT -5
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Post by bearsandbulls on Oct 27, 2019 10:30:00 GMT -5
Recommend Lyndse's podcast as has RusskyHoys above to all interested WSOC fans. She tells it just like it is. Her words have mirrored our experience. What is promised is delivered and they make every attempt to work with the families to make WSOC at G'town work. What great representative of our University not only in the quality of the product on the field but also as a spokesperson for the school.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 27, 2019 16:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 27, 2019 17:06:41 GMT -5
You sorta figured coming in that this game against Seton Hall had 'three true outcomes' within the realm of possibility:
1. Hoyas bust out of their offensive slump (I know they put two on Creighton, but that was at home against the team third from the bottom of the table) and post a result comparable to past throttlings of the hapless Pirates 2. The Hoyas continue to struggle mightily on offense, but are able to get one or two goals in simply through talent mismatch and physical supremacy 3. The Hoyas offensive power outage reaches critical proportions and The Hall somehow steal a result
#3 struck me as the least likely... and indeed, the Hoyas generated no shortage of opportunities as they were on the front foot for 95% of the content. Their inability to find the back of the net - or, hell, forget about the net, just get it over the goalline! - had nothing to do with The Kids From The Hall(tm) and everything to do with Georgetown's ability to make the final play. So there we were, with 25 minutes left in regulation, and Door #3 was suddenly not looking so implausible.
And then just like that, it was 4-0 and the postgame interviews got a whole lot smilier. Let us hope the finishing touch sticks around for awhile!
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Post by bearsandbulls on Oct 29, 2019 8:21:26 GMT -5
Down to the nitty gritty in the confines of Shaw Field this Thursday. With an 8-1-1 record at home against ninth place St. Johns we are looking good on paper, but then that's why they play the games. Hopefully we shook out of our lethargy in the second half on Sunday.
We will be needing some help from Butler to win the Big East regular season title, but first must take care of business on Shaw. Next step is to go on the road for the Big East tourney which this year is not played on the highest seed's turf, but at Creighton. As road warriors we need to worry a bit at 3-2-2.
With the one game at a time firmly in mind let us Go Hoyas.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 30, 2019 17:31:32 GMT -5
Not sure I have seen this type of tiebreaker before: if both the Hoyas and Butler win and finish with 20 points apiece, then they share Co-Regular Season Champion honors and the #1 seed goes to... the team with the most points against the remaining four teams that qualified for the tournament combined. Which means that you can't actually know the outcome of the tiebreaker until after all the games have been played.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Oct 31, 2019 7:29:20 GMT -5
It sounds like of like the "mini-conference" tiebreaker they use to seed the basketball tournament with a three-way (or more) tie.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Oct 31, 2019 9:28:26 GMT -5
So in case we share the title with Butler one needs to look to the teams we did better against than Butler. The teams where they have the advantage would be Creighton where we tied and they won 1-0. We both lost to DePaul by a goal so that is a draw. And if we are in this situation (they would have to have beaten Xavier) we beat Xavier by 2-1 so no more than a one goal win please. We definitely want Providence in as we won 4-0, Butler only 1-0 and also Villanova we won 2-0 while they tied 1-1. Marquette we both beat 3-0 so no blood there.
With all that said, let's just hope for a G'town win and a tie between Butler and Xavier.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 31, 2019 16:37:48 GMT -5
Hoyas escape with a 3-2 OT win over St. John's on a golden goal PK by Paula G-W, who had a hat trick on the day. Don't like giving up 2 goals to St. John's in the least, but they seemingly played one of their best games of the season. We, perhaps, did not. I only got to watch stretches of the second half into OT, and it looked like we were dominating. So in case we share the title with Butler one needs to look to the teams we did better against than Butler. The teams where they have the advantage would be Creighton where we tied and they won 1-0. We both lost to DePaul by a goal so that is a draw. And if we are in this situation (they would have to have beaten Xavier) we beat Xavier by 2-1 so no more than a one goal win please. We definitely want Providence in as we won 4-0, Butler only 1-0 and also Villanova we won 2-0 while they tied 1-1. Marquette we both beat 3-0 so no blood there. With all that said, let's just hope for a G'town win and a tie between Butler and Xavier. IIRC goal differential is not used at all - when they talk about "points" in the tiebreaker, they mean standings points.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 31, 2019 23:16:20 GMT -5
Well, nuts. Butler was without Annika Schmidt, arguably their best player, and Xavier scored on a power strike in the first four minutes. The rest of the match was a scoreless affair of the sort that you might expect down in the Bowl in a wintry mix storm, at least until Xavier added a second goal in the dying moments. So the Muskees take the Regular Season Championship and the Hoyas settle for second.
Hard to complain today: Xavier deserved it, frankly, especially given the way they physically abused the Bulldogs (seriously, they accumulated a number of yellow cards and inflicted injuries on a couple of Bulldogs). They had their own share of slip-ups this season - worth noting that it is the Hoyas who end the regular season as the only one-loss team in the league. But in this sport, it's about who drops the fewest points, and the Muskees did that by a hair.
With the final three matches of the Big East set for Omaha next week, this year's edition of the Hoyas have two more shots at redemption and earning themselves the label of champions. I think they have it in them, but it will certainly not be easy. Let's hope this is their most productive week of practice to date.
EDIT to add: not sure how many college teams' Twitter accounts are run by someone from the teams themselves, as opposed to some random Athletics Department intern, but... this is one of the classier things I've seen in a long time:
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 1, 2019 17:47:47 GMT -5
No bulletin board material there, that’s for sure.
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