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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jul 15, 2019 18:55:30 GMT -5
Exactly. With the depth this team will have, I'd only expect Mackinjo's combined minutes to go up slightly (if at all). The Akinjo, Allen, Mosely lineup might find itself on the floor with Pickett and Leblanc when we need defensive stops against a team without a big presence at center. On offense, you let Allen run point and Akinjo run off screens to get open OR let Akinjo/Leblanc PnR game with Pickett and Mosely spread out wide and Allen at the top opposite side. You can do the same with Mac instead of Akinjo and Alexander/Gardner instead of Pickett and Yurt instead of Leblanc. I mean the options to adjust to good/bad matchups with plus athletes in most spots is what makes the potential of this team exciting. Those who haven't seen Gardner live can sleep on his skills all you want but the kid is skilled, has bulldog in him and is joining a team where the 2/3's are not that much better than him.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jul 16, 2019 7:25:02 GMT -5
Exactly. With the depth this team will have, I'd only expect Mackinjo's combined minutes to go up slightly (if at all). The Akinjo, Allen, Mosely lineup might find itself on the floor with Pickett and Leblanc when we need defensive stops against a team without a big presence at center. On offense, you let Allen run point and Akinjo run off screens to get open OR let Akinjo/Leblanc PnR game with Pickett and Mosely spread out wide and Allen at the top opposite side. You can do the same with Mac instead of Akinjo and Alexander/Gardner instead of Pickett and Yurt instead of Leblanc. I mean the options to adjust to good/bad matchups with plus athletes in most spots is what makes the potential of this team exciting. Those who haven't seen Gardner live can sleep on his skills all you want but the kid is skilled, has bulldog in him and is joining a team where the 2/3's are not that much better than him. Agree completely. This team has options and answers aplenty. Galen will start from Day 1 imo - he’s a full grown man who can score in a number of ways and defend. And Gardner is your 2/3 of the future. Somewhere earlier someone referred to him as a 3/4 tweener. Not in the least. He’s more of a two who can really rebound than a 4. His handles and shot both need improvement, but he’s an exponentially better ball handler right now than Pickett. The reason I think he plays a lot going forward (probably only Allen/Mosley minutes this season) is he really understands the game for a frosh. His motor is constantly running, and he’s constantly cutting, screening and moving to space. Hoops IQ and dog are very good here. As noted by some other, his shot comes from his shoulder and not the top of his nose, but he’s a good athlete who understands the game (a rarity at GU fr quite some time) and he’ll be a good gazelle off the bench.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 16, 2019 8:49:20 GMT -5
Exactly. With the depth this team will have, I'd only expect Mackinjo's combined minutes to go up slightly (if at all). The Akinjo, Allen, Mosely lineup might find itself on the floor with Pickett and Leblanc when we need defensive stops against a team without a big presence at center. On offense, you let Allen run point and Akinjo run off screens to get open OR let Akinjo/Leblanc PnR game with Pickett and Mosely spread out wide and Allen at the top opposite side. You can do the same with Mac instead of Akinjo and Alexander/Gardner instead of Pickett and Yurt instead of Leblanc. I mean the options to adjust to good/bad matchups with plus athletes in most spots is what makes the potential of this team exciting. Those who haven't seen Gardner live can sleep on his skills all you want but the kid is skilled, has bulldog in him and is joining a team where the 2/3's are not that much better than him. Agree completely. This team has options and answers aplenty. Galen will start from Day 1 imo - he’s a full grown man who can score in a number of ways and defend. And Gardner is your 2/3 of the future. Somewhere earlier someone referred to him as a 3/4 tweener. Not in the least. He’s more of a two who can really rebound than a 4. His handles and shot both need improvement, but he’s an exponentially better ball handler right now than Pickett. The reason I think he plays a lot going forward (probably only Allen/Mosley minutes this season) is he really understands the game for a frosh. His motor is constantly running, and he’s constantly cutting, screening and moving to space. Hoops IQ and dog are very good here. As noted by some other, his shot comes from his shoulder and not the top of his nose, but he’s a good athlete who understands the game (a rarity at GU fr quite some time) and he’ll be a good gazelle off the bench. A lot of us would have used the same words to describe Josh LeBlanc last year. It hasn’t been that long, I suppose. Very excited by this take!!!!
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 16, 2019 10:54:17 GMT -5
Gardner is not a 2 in any way, Pickett was never a 2 either.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jul 16, 2019 11:03:51 GMT -5
Gardner is not a 2 in any way, Pickett was never a 2 either. Gardner is way more 2 than he is a 4.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 16, 2019 11:09:19 GMT -5
Gardner is not a 2 in any way, Pickett was never a 2 either. Gardner is way more 2 than he is a 4. Nowadays the same skill set (to various degrees) is required play the 2-4 in most systems. What tends to define your position is on the defensive side of the ball. Who can you guard...
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jul 16, 2019 11:32:11 GMT -5
Gardner is way more 2 than he is a 4. Nowadays the same skill set (to various degrees) is required play the 2-4 in most systems. What tends to define your position is on the defensive side of the ball. Who can you guard... Agreed. Just wanted to make sure folks realize Gardner and Pickett have different games/skillsets on both sides of the ball.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jul 16, 2019 11:46:33 GMT -5
Gardner is not a 2 in any way, Pickett was never a 2 either. Gardner is way more 2 than he is a 4. Here's what his AAU Coach says. "[Gardner] is a combo forward for us. He does a really good job of overpowering defenders with his strength. He finishes well through contact. Does a good job of rebounding the ball and pushing it in transition. He has sneaky athleticism and has a quick first jump. Also capable of hitting the open three for us."
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jul 16, 2019 11:58:17 GMT -5
Gardner is way more 2 than he is a 4. Here's what his AAU Coach says. "[Gardner] is a combo forward for us. He does a really good job of overpowering defenders with his strength. He finishes well through contact. Does a good job of rebounding the ball and pushing it in transition. He has sneaky athleticism and has a quick first jump. Also capable of hitting the open three for us." Ok. He is by definition a 3 but his game represents more as a big body 2 than a 4 that you are going to post up against other 4's. His handle, vision and awareness is better than the 2's on our current roster. His 3 pt shooting is in the same ballpark as well. He is much more a skilled Trawick than he is a skilled Kaleb Johnson.
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 16, 2019 12:18:18 GMT -5
The only real 2 we have on the roster is McClung. 4 men do not post up anymore. His coach says he's a combo forward. He's right.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jul 16, 2019 12:28:18 GMT -5
The only real 2 we have on the roster is McClung. 4 men do not post up anymore. His coach says he's a combo forward. He's right. Blair is a 2! Well, my eyes must have been deceiving me over the past 2 years when I saw Derrickson, Mourning and Kaleb in the post. Hell, Kaleb didn't get nearly the respect he deserved for how efficient he was at scoring off the post up last year. If only Mourning would have kicked it out more , I think we all would have been happier.
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 16, 2019 12:34:16 GMT -5
All of those guys faced the basket mostly. Mourning had no business playing the 4.
I forgot Blair, yeah he's a 2. Kelan Martin is what I hope Gardner can become.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jul 16, 2019 12:53:32 GMT -5
All of those guys faced the basket mostly. Mourning had no business playing the 4. I forgot Blair, yeah he's a 2. Kelan Martin is what I hope Gardner can become. I'll just suggest you go back and watch a few of the 17-18 games and see where the majority of Derrickson's touches actually occurred. Same as Kaleb/Mourning last year. It may seem like they were out on the perimeter more because Derrickson shot very well and Mourning clearly did not but that just isn't the case.
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Post by practice on Jul 16, 2019 13:53:41 GMT -5
I'm with Brad Stevens: ball handlers, wings and bigs -- and sometimes those roles can be combined.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 16, 2019 20:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 16, 2019 20:34:39 GMT -5
Well, Mac looks as dynamic as ever. Looking forward to the Bahamas games.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 17, 2019 8:15:17 GMT -5
ok lics assessment of kenner so far.. one james is 50%better on his passess. mac is mac josh aok working on his jumpers but HUSTLES. yurt is slow like jesse BUT HUSTLES yup better inside not bad from three but needs to work Quodu whos been out with a thigh bruise first game i saw DOMINANT all over little slow on the outside d but second game not as good Galen can PLAY. and gardner can be a tough defensive and aggressvie to the hoop plus minus threes.. and the new pg point guard allen can be great at d and subbing out for james good point guard smart and guick can go to the hoop outside shoot plus minus. jamarko needs to hustle and be consistant,. so seven new faces three or four will contribute ALOT EARLY YUP good year coming. go hoyas. wilson little weak. hope jagan back soon philly tough like jabril or that might fall to gardner just saying MUCH BETTER YEAR much more depth. go hoyas is it november yet.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 17, 2019 8:16:22 GMT -5
ps blair good but needs t0 be consistant ath the theree to the hoop and on d
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Post by kbones17 on Jul 18, 2019 17:31:57 GMT -5
Understanding that Kenner league stats should be taken with a huge grain of salt, here are some stats that I’ll be following closely (thanks vv83 for tracking these!): James Akinjo’s 2 pt % (ie being selective inside 3pt line and not forcing things at the cup): 37% (through 3 Kenner games; last season 36.5%) Mac McClung’s 3 pt %: 26.7% (through 3 Kenner games; last season 27.7%) Consensus is that there will likely be a three way competition to earn minutes at the wing spot (next to Josh and Yurt). All three (Pickett, Alexander, Gardner) will likely offer a mixed bag on offense, so the determiner may very well be who will rebound better and play better defense: Jamorko Pickett: 6.3 rebs, 2 blocks per game (through 3 Kenner games; 3.8 rebs and 1 block last season) Galen alexander: 6.7 rebs, 1.3 steals and .3 blocks per game (through 3 Kenner games) Myron Gardner: 9.7 rebs, 2 steals and .3 blocks per game (through 3 Kenner games).
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 18, 2019 17:59:47 GMT -5
Alexander will get the nod. Kid’s got a man’s frame and is a dog. Gardner will get run, but I don’t think he starts as a freshman. Pickett is a bit of a wildcard. If he’s not stroking it consistently, he’s not going to play a lot. He’s not getting big minutes as a defensive stopper. 😉
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