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Post by daveg023 on Mar 25, 2019 21:50:18 GMT -5
barttorvik.com/trankpre.phpStill lots of player movement that will change this, but #40 feels about right. Also good to see that 9/10 BE teams are Top 60. That will certainly help metrics if the conference is rated more like 2018 than 2019.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 26, 2019 9:21:10 GMT -5
We lead the league in assist percentage as a team (and James individually in assists) but Mac watching gave the impression that our team didn't share the ball. Quite the contrary, 60% of our starters and almost the entire bench had the opposite issue in that they couldn't create their own shot at all so they had to share it if they weren't shooting it. Jessie would either catch and shoot a three or receive a pass when he had cleared out his man and had an easy lay in. Josh rarely took his man off the bounce. Jamorko was almost all catch and shoot (as were Blair and Greg). So I actually want less sharing, well not really less I guess but I don't want us to have to pass into a score. Assists are great but so is Jamorko or Galen with a ball fake and drive, Yurt having a go to move on the block, Josh picking up more garbage off the glass for putbacks, or James poking the ball away at halfcourt and laying it in. We didn't get enough easy twos. If our guys individually develop their games, I think we will be surprised how much prettier the offense looks when guys are using the movement to gain an advantage for an individual move and not the feast or famine of great passing and a score or Mac and James having to take it themselves. Easty twos would be great this is not simply individuals developing their games. This is much more a team development. I can't remember a team that failed so much at executing the fast break be it 1-0 2[-1 etc . We where miserable. All virtually the result of running bad lanes failure to get the ball to middle of floor failure to take proper angles and lanes on easy open layups .never mind our complete failure to execute what many times appeared to be simple alley oops which I gringed every time they attempted . It was all a combination ball iq ,skill and to a lesser degree the talent to execute a fairly simple offense. I'm also concerned with our total inability to feed the low post. I'm.not sure we will able to simply address these weaknesses over the summer. Most of this is on talent and skill that can.be improved a bit over the summer I think we have a tendency to overstate the talent level that we have. At this stage barring any additions we will do well to end up with a similar record as this year both in big east and Oc
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 26, 2019 9:31:18 GMT -5
We lead the league in assist percentage as a team (and James individually in assists) but Mac watching gave the impression that our team didn't share the ball. Quite the contrary, 60% of our starters and almost the entire bench had the opposite issue in that they couldn't create their own shot at all so they had to share it if they weren't shooting it. Jessie would either catch and shoot a three or receive a pass when he had cleared out his man and had an easy lay in. Josh rarely took his man off the bounce. Jamorko was almost all catch and shoot (as were Blair and Greg). So I actually want less sharing, well not really less I guess but I don't want us to have to pass into a score. Assists are great but so is Jamorko or Galen with a ball fake and drive, Yurt having a go to move on the block, Josh picking up more garbage off the glass for putbacks, or James poking the ball away at halfcourt and laying it in. We didn't get enough easy twos. If our guys individually develop their games, I think we will be surprised how much prettier the offense looks when guys are using the movement to gain an advantage for an individual move and not the feast or famine of great passing and a score or Mac and James having to take it themselves. Easty twos would be great this is not simply individuals developing their games. This is much more a team development. I can't remember a team that failed so much at executing the fast break be it 1-0 2[-1 etc . We where miserable. All virtually the result of running bad lanes failure to get the ball to middle of floor failure to take proper angles and lanes on easy open layups .never mind our complete failure to execute what many times appeared to be simple alley oops which I gringed every time they attempted . It was all a combination ball iq ,skill and to a lesser degree the talent to execute a fairly simple offense. I'm also concerned with our total inability to feed the low post. I'm.not sure we will able to simply address these weaknesses over the summer. Most of this is on talent and skill that can.be improved a bit over the summer I think we have a tendency to overstate the talent level that we have. At this stage barring any additions we will do well to end up with a similar record as this year both in big east and Oc Disagree. We definitely win over 20 games next year. Also, we won’t lose as many bad games. Improvement will happen. A lot of the issues you’re describing are due to inexperience, and 3 of our 4 best players getting comfortable with one another. Hopefully they’re working on their strength and conditioning all summer.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 26, 2019 9:42:21 GMT -5
It all comes down to D. Can Josh, Galen, Yurt & Carter hold it down inside? I don't put much in Wahab & Ighoefe because they'll be freshman and rarely do you see great D out of freshman, especially bigs. Improvement by Mac on D and improvement by Jamorko on O should pay dividends. We should be top four in the BE next year and I expect much better decision making by Mac & James.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 26, 2019 9:48:58 GMT -5
With our returning experience, I am looking forward to higher efficiency numbers against our weaker opponents in the OOC and no bad losses. That alone will boost our measurables signifcantly and be "proof" that we improved. As it stands now, being better early in the OOC and a 9-9 record in next year's BE will make us a tournament team. For me, solidly making the NCAA is the goal for next season and to a lesser extent making the BET semis.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 26, 2019 9:56:45 GMT -5
Easty twos would be great this is not simply individuals developing their games. This is much more a team development. I can't remember a team that failed so much at executing the fast break be it 1-0 2[-1 etc . We where miserable. All virtually the result of running bad lanes failure to get the ball to middle of floor failure to take proper angles and lanes on easy open layups .never mind our complete failure to execute what many times appeared to be simple alley oops which I gringed every time they attempted . It was all a combination ball iq ,skill and to a lesser degree the talent to execute a fairly simple offense. I'm also concerned with our total inability to feed the low post. I'm.not sure we will able to simply address these weaknesses over the summer. Most of this is on talent and skill that can.be improved a bit over the summer I think we have a tendency to overstate the talent level that we have. Disagree. I saw every game and we were much better with fast breaks than the previous years by having a finisher like Mac. Alley oops? I didn't see us try them enough to see a pattern. In fact, I'll say we tried one every six games. Nothing remarkable. I remember a pass that went over everyone's hands into the seats or one just out of reach. Before the season, I thought Mac would be dunking it often. Not so. Feeding the post will improve with a more mobile, tougher target. As the other poster said, I think it's more inexperience and softness from some players. Both will improve.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 10:11:01 GMT -5
I think we'll be better. More experienced talent (presumably we'll be going into the season with 5 guys who have been starters for a decent amount of games) and a more complete rotation - skill & depth-wise.
2 concerns for me: 1) Will James be the go-to guy by default? He's obviously an alpha PG and isn't afraid to take big shots. But this year the team edict was to defer to jessie in key spots. (Occasionally he didn't but...)
With the ball in his hands more often than not, will he be making correct decisions or calling his own number too much?
2) Right now I see a pretty straightforward 10-man rotation (shrinking in big games, obv) with Tim & Malcolm used sparingly and a currently unused 13th spot. Will this look the same come November? Any significant additions or subtractions would obviously change the outlook - and i think there'll be some.
Hopefully the end result is at least as rosy as i see it now.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 26, 2019 10:21:51 GMT -5
barttorvik.com/trankpre.phpStill lots of player movement that will change this, but #40 feels about right. Also good to see that 9/10 BE teams are Top 60. That will certainly help metrics if the conference is rated more like 2018 than 2019. After looking further into how Bart explains his pre-ranking, there were two big takeaways that I saw: 1. He puts a greater emphasis on players that are returning sophomores, which definitely helps our projected ranking. The reasoning was that most college players make their biggest improvements from year 1 to 2. I agree with that to a certain extent, but that ranking next year is highly dependent on our group of freshman making the jump that I think they're both capable of and that we expect of them. Grad transfers are not weighted that high, which I think is fair because at that point I think you know the type of player you're getting. 2. The impact of new incoming players is broken down by top 10 recruits (highest), #11-20 recruits (high), and then everyone else. It might be a bit top heavy, but honestly it's not that far off. We've seen players of nearly all rankings either outplay their ranking or wildly disappoint, but generally you know what you're getting out of a 5 star. So I don't have a problem with this.
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Post by Filo on Mar 26, 2019 11:52:51 GMT -5
Just catching up on this thread. Interesting take on Nova there. From what I heard, Gillespie ate Quinerly's lunch in practice, which is one of the reasons why Quinerly didn't get much run. Haven't heard anything about Quinerly leaving, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 26, 2019 12:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Mar 26, 2019 14:28:10 GMT -5
Uh oh. Don’t let 2003, madgesdik and the Bummer Brigade see this tweet!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 26, 2019 15:14:12 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I do think the program is well positioned to improve on this year's results. If Yurtseven can slot into the Govan role, there's really no reason why we should be worse, especially if the freshman all improve (and others improve).
To me, the biggest problem going forward is whether the team can learn a coherent team defense. Even if Yurtseven is a better defender than Govan, it's a team problem that needs to be fixed, and most of the same guys who were terrible on defense this year are coming back next year. It's really something everybody needs to work on.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 26, 2019 15:24:31 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I do think the program is well positioned to improve on this year's results. If Yurtseven can slot into the Govan role, there's really no reason why we should be worse, especially if the freshman all improve (and others improve). To me, the biggest problem going forward is whether the team can learn a coherent team defense. Even if Yurtseven is a better defender than Govan, it's a team problem that needs to be fixed, and most of the same guys who were terrible on defense this year are coming back next year. It's really something everybody needs to work on. True, and I don’t think Jessie is as bad as some would make him out to be (best D rating on the team last year, haven’t checked this year) but he was one of our two worst defenders in an 8 man rotation and the worst by far was Trey. I think he’s probably the worst post defender I’ve seen in the blue and gray. I think changing the calculus a bit in terms of talent, and having 3/4 of our highest minute getters with a year of experience under their belts will lead to good returns on that end. Also, Alexander is also a plus defender on the wing so we improve at the top with a year more of experience (James/Mac), on the wing with moreexperience and a transfer (Jagan/Morko/Alexander) and also a subtraction of an average defender (Mal), and improve in the post by removing two sieves on D with an above average defender in Yurt and 2 rim runners and one high motor 4 Star big. I don’t think you need plus defenders at ever position to field a good defense. We just need to improve our understanding of the team concepts first and foremost.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 26, 2019 15:33:28 GMT -5
Were we tired at the end of the season? Mar. 2 was the gutsy SHU OT home win, then the blow-out at DePaul on Mar. 6. , then the emotional win at MU on Mar. 9, and, to end the BE season, the blow-out vs. SHU at MSG. Maybe it explains Jessie's effort and energy at the end of the season.
We need the team to do a lot of strength and conditioning work during the off-season to handle Pat's offense and defense. If not, we will be tired by March. We need Mackinjosh to lead through the off-season.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 27, 2019 17:45:49 GMT -5
Ohio State would be my guess based on nothing but speculation.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 27, 2019 18:43:18 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 27, 2019 22:52:26 GMT -5
Things not looking great for LaVall Jordan. This is a bad loss for Butler.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 28, 2019 17:36:01 GMT -5
There is one Big East team that has not yet reached the off-season... DEPAUL. Who would have thought at the beginning of this season that DEPAUL would be the last Big East team standing? They are in the CBI championship and will face the winner tonight of two familiar teams (though the series won't be in Jamaica)... Loyola Marymount and South Florida. Go Blue Demons!
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Post by justsaying on Mar 28, 2019 21:34:10 GMT -5
Wondering since all the teams are young and most of the cores of all teams will be returning, given that improvements will be made. Teams getting better it maybe be that the records maybe similar overall for it might be hard for any one team to get away from the others even though they all should be improved and maybe possible the whole conference have overall winning records.
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Post by wponds on Mar 28, 2019 21:58:17 GMT -5
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