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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 22, 2019 16:27:51 GMT -5
I’d like to see if Carter could be our next shooter. I see him as a Derrickson type player. He has a smooth stroke and size. He’s way closer to Reggie Cameron than Marcus...put some respect on Derricksons name...
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 22, 2019 16:32:32 GMT -5
For unknown reasons, I think everyone who is down on next season is seriously underselling the upgrade Yurtseven will be at the 5 next season. He is a much more complete player at the position, and while he may not "explode" for 27-32 points in a game like Govan, he will be responsible for so many more points with his rebounding, defense and passing. He was ranked the #1 transfer on the market last year and we got him! He is a former 5 star recruit and has the production to back it up at a high major. Most fanbases would be fired up and giving Ewing major props for this - but on here it is like he does not exist? Not sure what is holding people back from fully embracing him? Perhaps the possibility he may choose to go pro? But, you have to think he made some sort of commitment to Ewing and just invested a year as a transfer, it would be strange to jump ship now, knowing you have a nice nucleus coming back. Yup, much of our fan base has been trying to irrationally dampen expectations for quite some time now. I believe that many feel that they expect the worst they can’t get hurt. Weird mentality for sure. Also, a lot of our fans like to be able to say that they were right more than they care about being optimistic about the programa so they go for the low hanging fruit.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 22, 2019 16:35:58 GMT -5
For unknown reasons, I think everyone who is down on next season is seriously underselling the upgrade Yurtseven will be at the 5 next season. He is a much more complete player at the position, and while he may not "explode" for 27-32 points in a game like Govan, he will be responsible for so many more points with his rebounding, defense and passing. He was ranked the #1 transfer on the market last year and we got him! He is a former 5 star recruit and has the production to back it up at a high major. Most fanbases would be fired up and giving Ewing major props for this - but on here it is like he does not exist? Not sure what is holding people back from fully embracing him? Perhaps the possibility he may choose to go pro? But, you have to think he made some sort of commitment to Ewing and just invested a year as a transfer, it would be strange to jump ship now, knowing you have a nice nucleus coming back. I think it's just hard to know what we will get for certain given that he has never played in a Georgetown uniform. The concern about his leaving is not unreasonable....he has thought about the NBA previously and if he made any promise to Pat it's surely not binding. But we’ve seen him in Kenner. You don’t need a whole season of film in a GU uniform to reasonably predict his potential impact. The thing is skepticism is natural, but most of the skepticism here is based on absolutely nothing and the optimism is actually based on reasonable inference.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 22, 2019 16:59:41 GMT -5
For unknown reasons, I think everyone who is down on next season is seriously underselling the upgrade Yurtseven will be at the 5 next season. He is a much more complete player at the position, and while he may not "explode" for 27-32 points in a game like Govan, he will be responsible for so many more points with his rebounding, defense and passing. He was ranked the #1 transfer on the market last year and we got him! He is a former 5 star recruit and has the production to back it up at a high major. Most fanbases would be fired up and giving Ewing major props for this - but on here it is like he does not exist? Not sure what is holding people back from fully embracing him? Perhaps the possibility he may choose to go pro? But, you have to think he made some sort of commitment to Ewing and just invested a year as a transfer, it would be strange to jump ship now, knowing you have a nice nucleus coming back. Yup, much of our fan base has been trying to irrationally dampen expectations for quite some time now. I believe that many feel that they expect the worst they can’t get hurt. Weird mentality for sure. Also, a lot of our fans like to be able to say that they were right more than they care about being optimistic about the programa so they go for the low hanging fruit. I can't really blame most of the fanbase to continue to dampen expectations given our lack of postseason success for quite a while. I say most because there's some "fans" on here that just bash away and don't know when to stop. I am very excited for Yurt7, I've seen quite a lot of footage of his game and I think he's a complete package as an individual player and still has room to grow. But he has to be integrated into the team and show that he can perform in real games with the rest of next year's starters. The best teams know how to share the ball and find open shots. Clearly only a few players on this year's team understand that concept and it was obvious on the court. I think we could use a little better X's and O's from the coaching staff to help the players as well. I think Alexander was a great addition. Wahab will be a defensive force and an upgrade, but still a freshman. We won't see as many mistakes from Mackinjo, which will give a few more wins by itself. Those terrible turnovers and decisions in the first half of the season really hindered our growth but it improved by the end. I sound a like a broken record but we need a shooter. Watching the NCAAs and watching all these kids on lower seeded teams just stroke it from deep is making me very envious. All we have is Akinjo now as far as a relatively consistent 3 point shooter. It's either time to play Blair more or if he really doesn't cut it, then find a dead eye shooter that is not a center. Then the paranoia may start to return.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 22, 2019 17:01:25 GMT -5
I think it's just hard to know what we will get for certain given that he has never played in a Georgetown uniform. The concern about his leaving is not unreasonable....he has thought about the NBA previously and if he made any promise to Pat it's surely not binding. But we’ve seen him in Kenner. You don’t need a whole season of film in a GU uniform to reasonably predict his potential impact. The thing is skepticism is natural, but most of the skepticism here is based on absolutely nothing and the optimism is actually based on reasonable inference. Forget about Kenner, he was good in the ACC. He was third team all ACC, Wendell Carter was second, and there were no centers on the first team. So he was the second best center in the ACC behind a guy who went #7 in the NBA draft. Assuming he’s here, healthy, and doesn’t gain 30 pounds, he’ll be very good.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 22, 2019 18:41:45 GMT -5
So you don't think the program needs additional shooters next season? Not if we continue to play how we did this year. Like I said, I believe Greg was the best pure shooter on the team this year, but it's pretty worthless when guys are unable to find him for open looks and he ends up trying to create his own shot, something he's not really capable of. He ends up being a negative on the floor. Just finished watching the Wofford game...the Fletcher Magee kid had 24 pts, all 7 fgs he hit were threes, he had 0 assists and 0 rebounds and he is not a good defender. He can literally only do one thing... shoot 3's, in spite of that he was still the best player on the floor. Why? Because his teammates and coaching staff make getting him the ball where he'll be successful a priority. Again our offense has one guy capable of drawing a double in the post, that guy rarely passed to the open man out of the double. We had 2 guards capable of getting to the paint and drawing the defense in, those 2 guards rarely kicked it out to the open shooter. So if the good shooter can't do much else but shoot, no I see no reason for them to be here. If they can defend or create their own shot, then sure, but a shooting specialist like Greg/Blair, no thanks. Can you really say that the majority of double teams on Govan cam from the player covering Malinowski or Blair? Teams that consistently get open 3’s for shooters usually have very good ball movement..
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Post by beenaround on Mar 22, 2019 19:33:47 GMT -5
We've all pretty much agreed shooting needs improvement and the defense..God help us. But unfortunately, I also think we were not a good passing team at all. Even James, who I know I know, led the BE in assists, mostly dribbled until he found a cutter or pick and roll. That is good..but the players generally had very poor overall court vision and ball movement as a team was nonexistent.
You see other teams whipping the ball around the court until someone is open..not much with the Hoyas.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 22, 2019 19:53:41 GMT -5
I think it's just hard to know what we will get for certain given that he has never played in a Georgetown uniform. The concern about his leaving is not unreasonable....he has thought about the NBA previously and if he made any promise to Pat it's surely not binding. But we’ve seen him in Kenner. You don’t need a whole season of film in a GU uniform to reasonably predict his potential impact. The thing is skepticism is natural, but most of the skepticism here is based on absolutely nothing and the optimism is actually based on reasonable inference. We know he’s a good player, he’s very very similar to Govan offensively, a better athlete for the defensive end.. However imo if this team plays the same disconnected defense we saw this season then it's legit to wonder what his impact will be team wise next season...
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 22, 2019 20:03:29 GMT -5
But we’ve seen him in Kenner. You don’t need a whole season of film in a GU uniform to reasonably predict his potential impact. The thing is skepticism is natural, but most of the skepticism here is based on absolutely nothing and the optimism is actually based on reasonable inference. We know he’s a good player, he’s very very similar to Govan offensively, a better athlete for the defensive end.. However imo if this team plays the same disconnected defense we’ve saw this season then its legit to wonder what his impact will be team wise next season .. Govan never shot above 50% in conference play (he was our third best two point shooter behind Josh and Mac). Yurt as a skinny sophomore shot 56% from 2 and 46% from three in the ACC. Hes a better offensive rebounder as well. Yurt's not like Govan offensively. He's literally better in every way.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 22, 2019 20:29:23 GMT -5
We know he’s a good player, he’s very very similar to Govan offensively, a better athlete for the defensive end.. However imo if this team plays the same disconnected defense we’ve saw this season then its legit to wonder what his impact will be team wise next season .. Govan never shot above 50% in conference play (he was our third best two point shooter behind Josh and Mac). Yurt as a skinny sophomore shot 56% from 2 and 46% from three in the ACC. Hes a better offensive rebounder as well. Yurt's not like Govan offensively. He's literally better in every way. I think Yurt destroyed Govan's confidence in practice everyday by just being that much better of a player.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 22, 2019 20:30:12 GMT -5
Not if we continue to play how we did this year. Like I said, I believe Greg was the best pure shooter on the team this year, but it's pretty worthless when guys are unable to find him for open looks and he ends up trying to create his own shot, something he's not really capable of. He ends up being a negative on the floor. Just finished watching the Wofford game...the Fletcher Magee kid had 24 pts, all 7 fgs he hit were threes, he had 0 assists and 0 rebounds and he is not a good defender. He can literally only do one thing... shoot 3's, in spite of that he was still the best player on the floor. Why? Because his teammates and coaching staff make getting him the ball where he'll be successful a priority. Again our offense has one guy capable of drawing a double in the post, that guy rarely passed to the open man out of the double. We had 2 guards capable of getting to the paint and drawing the defense in, those 2 guards rarely kicked it out to the open shooter. So if the good shooter can't do much else but shoot, no I see no reason for them to be here. If they can defend or create their own shot, then sure, but a shooting specialist like Greg/Blair, no thanks. Can you really say that the majority of double teams on Govan cam from the player covering Malinowski or Blair? Teams that consistently get open 3’s for shooters usually have very good ball movement.. Of course not, I never put it squarely on Govan, I put it primarily on him, Mac and James. Why? Because they are the only 3 guys capable of getting other guys easy open looks on a consistent basis. If they don't do that then it requires guys who aren't very good at creating their own shot to start doing just that. Combine that with the fact that Ewing inexplicably would use lineups that didn't feature any of the three between Mac, James, and Jessie, and you had a lineup without a single creator or double team threat on the floor which was usually a recipe for disaster. If James, Mac, and Jessie all played less selfish, they would all three likely of gotten about the same amount of shot attempts, they just would've been easier, better looks at the basket, but it would've required all three to buy in, they never did that.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 22, 2019 20:40:27 GMT -5
Another thing about Yurtseven, he's listed as a full 2 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier than Jessie. So in addition to being a better athlete with a similar yet likely better offensive skill set. He's both taller and bulkier. His sophomore year numbers were really good across the board, and he only played 24 minutes a game to get those numbers. If anything that would be my only concern. Being so big, does he fatigue easily? Or did NC State have another quality big that needed minutes? Otherwise I don't see why he wouldn't have played 30+ mins a night for them.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 22, 2019 20:53:48 GMT -5
Can you really say that the majority of double teams on Govan cam from the player covering Malinowski or Blair? Teams that consistently get open 3’s for shooters usually have very good ball movement.. Of course not, I never put it squarely on Govan, I put it primarily on him, Mac and James. Why? Because they are the only 3 guys capable of getting other guys easy open looks on a consistent basis. If they don't do that then it requires guys who aren't very good at creating their own shot to start doing just that. Combine that with the fact that Ewing inexplicably would use lineups that didn't feature any of the three between Mac, James, and Jessie, and you had a lineup without a single creator or double team threat on the floor which was usually a recipe for disaster. If James, Mac, and Jessie all played less selfish, they would all three likely of gotten about the same amount of shot attempts, they just would've been easier, better looks at the basket, but it would've required all three to buy in, they never did that. You just said what I've been thinking for a long time but didn't know how to say it. Wow spot on.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 22, 2019 21:11:32 GMT -5
Another thing about Yurtseven, he's listed as a full 2 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier than Jessie. So in addition to being a better athlete with a similar yet likely better offensive skill set. He's both taller and bulkier. His sophomore year numbers were really good across the board, and he only played 24 minutes a game to get those numbers. If anything that would be my only concern. Being so big, does he fatigue easily? Or did NC State have another quality big that needed minutes? Otherwise I don't see why he wouldn't have played 30+ mins a night for them. Looking at his sophomore year his minutes really picked up during ACC play. In OCC his minutes were limited which lowered his average minutes per game. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/omer-yurtseven-1/gamelog/2018
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 22, 2019 22:18:41 GMT -5
We know he’s a good player, he’s very very similar to Govan offensively, a better athlete for the defensive end.. However imo if this team plays the same disconnected defense we’ve saw this season then its legit to wonder what his impact will be team wise next season .. Govan never shot above 50% in conference play (he was our third best two point shooter behind Josh and Mac). Yurt as a skinny sophomore shot 56% from 2 and 46% from three in the ACC. Hes a better offensive rebounder as well. Yurt's not like Govan offensively. He's literally better in every way. Their per 40 #’s are almost identical in Y7’s sophomore year and this season for Govan... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2019.htmlFor the sake of argument though, I’ll agree with you that Y7 is a better offensive player, I still maintain that if the team continues to play in a disconnected manner defensively as they did this season it’ll be difficult to make solid progress next season...
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 22, 2019 23:14:04 GMT -5
Govan never shot above 50% in conference play (he was our third best two point shooter behind Josh and Mac). Yurt as a skinny sophomore shot 56% from 2 and 46% from three in the ACC. Hes a better offensive rebounder as well. Yurt's not like Govan offensively. He's literally better in every way. Their per 40 #’s are almost identical in Y7’s sophomore year and this season for Govan... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2019.htmlFor the sake of argument though, I’ll agree with you that Y7 is a better offensive player, I still maintain that if the team continues to play in a disconnected manner defensively as they did this season it’ll be difficult to make solid progress next season... One could argue that a lot of the defensive woes, even from the guard spot, started with the center. I won't pretend to know what Patrick's defensive philosophies were, but the guards were often helping off their man to go down and double whoever Jessie was guarding in the paint. Was this the guard making his own decision, or was it Patrick's game plan? Being a part of the game plan would make a lot of sense. First, I don't see guys doing that unless they're told, or they would likely get benched pretty quick. And the reason behind the philosophy is pretty common sense. First, Jessie had a hard time guarding anyone with an even remotely decent offensive game down low. Without the help, he likely gets scored on at will. On top of that, Jessie was our best offensive player and focal point of the offense, so the more guys are taking him 1 on 1 down low, the quicker he's going to get in foul trouble and throw off our offensive game plan. I also don't think its a surprise that Mac was more often that not the player leaving his man to help. Mac was generally tasked with guarding the weakest scoring guard of the bunch, which means he'd be the most logical guy to send down low for the post double teams. Having Jagan or James leave someone like Powell or Howard would be suicide. Seems like we took our chances with Mac's guy not being able to hit the open three. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Assuming Yurt can handle his own 1 on 1 in the paint, that should allow all the guards to stay at home with their man, and at the very least give up less easy 3's.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 22, 2019 23:33:20 GMT -5
But we’ve seen him in Kenner. You don’t need a whole season of film in a GU uniform to reasonably predict his potential impact. The thing is skepticism is natural, but most of the skepticism here is based on absolutely nothing and the optimism is actually based on reasonable inference. Forget about Kenner, he was good in the ACC. He was third team all ACC, Wendell Carter was second, and there were no centers on the first team. So he was the second best center in the ACC behind a guy who went #7 in the NBA draft. Assuming he’s here, healthy, and doesn’t gain 30 pounds, he’ll be very good. Yeah that’s right, I was just pointing to most recent evidence.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Mar 23, 2019 7:09:28 GMT -5
I think it's just hard to know what we will get for certain given that he has never played in a Georgetown uniform. The concern about his leaving is not unreasonable....he has thought about the NBA previously and if he made any promise to Pat it's surely not binding. That pro possibility was my guess. I would be the first one to criticize Ewing relentlessly if Yurtseven does not at least reproduce what he was able to do in the ACC. Trying to get some positive thinking on this board to offset so much skepticism. I believe Yurtseven is going to contribute significantly from what we saw from his time at NC State. But if he doesn't, why would the criticism call on Coach? Coach has shown that he prefers the offense to go through the center. If he doesn't produce, it won't be because he didn't get his attempts.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2019 7:44:15 GMT -5
Their per 40 #’s are almost identical in Y7’s sophomore year and this season for Govan... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2019.htmlFor the sake of argument though, I’ll agree with you that Y7 is a better offensive player, I still maintain that if the team continues to play in a disconnected manner defensively as they did this season it’ll be difficult to make solid progress next season... One could argue that a lot of the defensive woes, even from the guard spot, started with the center. I won't pretend to know what Patrick's defensive philosophies were, but the guards were often helping off their man to go down and double whoever Jessie was guarding in the paint. Was this the guard making his own decision, or was it Patrick's game plan? Being a part of the game plan would make a lot of sense. First, I don't see guys doing that unless they're told, or they would likely get benched pretty quick. And the reason behind the philosophy is pretty common sense. First, Jessie had a hard time guarding anyone with an even remotely decent offensive game down low. Without the help, he likely gets scored on at will. On top of that, Jessie was our best offensive player and focal point of the offense, so the more guys are taking him 1 on 1 down low, the quicker he's going to get in foul trouble and throw off our offensive game plan. I also don't think its a surprise that Mac was more often that not the player leaving his man to help. Mac was generally tasked with guarding the weakest scoring guard of the bunch, which means he'd be the most logical guy to send down low for the post double teams. Having Jagan or James leave someone like Powell or Howard would be suicide. Seems like we took our chances with Mac's guy not being able to hit the open three. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Assuming Yurt can handle his own 1 on 1 in the paint, that should allow all the guards to stay at home with their man, and at the very least give up less easy 3's. I’m skeptical of this entire post but I do hope Yurtseven can help to solve many of the defensive issues Gtown has, even still it’s hard for me to get too excited until I see it on the court...
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 23, 2019 8:46:05 GMT -5
I’d like to see if Carter could be our next shooter. I see him as a Derrickson type player. He has a smooth stroke and size. He’s way closer to Reggie Cameron than Marcus...put some respect on Derricksons name... Absolutely. Carter has light years to go before we compare him to Derrickson.
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