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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 6, 2019 22:29:04 GMT -5
After Providence win, up to #79 KenPom, ahead of DePaul, Xavier, and Providence. Next up, Seton Hall at #64.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2019 23:48:16 GMT -5
After Providence win, up to #79 KenPom, ahead of DePaul, Xavier, and Providence. Next up, Seton Hall at #64. How is it mid Feb and we haven't played Seton Hall or DePaul yet?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 6, 2019 23:50:40 GMT -5
After Providence win, up to #79 KenPom, ahead of DePaul, Xavier, and Providence. Next up, Seton Hall at #64. How is it mid Feb and we haven't played Seton Hall or DePaul yet? No idea, the BE has to tighten up it's scheduling next season...
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 6, 2019 23:58:14 GMT -5
After Providence win, up to #79 KenPom, ahead of DePaul, Xavier, and Providence. Next up, Seton Hall at #64. Correction: Next up is Butler. Take care of business boys.
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Post by mdtd on Feb 7, 2019 0:04:22 GMT -5
After Providence win, up to #79 KenPom, ahead of DePaul, Xavier, and Providence. Next up, Seton Hall at #64. Hopefully, our NET rises too. Hoping to see around 70 or below after this one. A road win with good defensive efficiency should help.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 7, 2019 7:55:31 GMT -5
After Providence win, up to #79 KenPom, ahead of DePaul, Xavier, and Providence. Next up, Seton Hall at #64. How is it mid Feb and we haven't played Seton Hall or DePaul yet? Before we play DePaul and Seton Hall once, we will have completed our 2 game series against Providence, Butler, St. John’s, and Xavier. Strange.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 7, 2019 9:00:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it’s as simple as a win against Butler puts us firmly on the bubble. Beyond that, we probably toggle back and forth with every win and loss.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 7, 2019 9:18:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it’s as simple as a win against Butler puts us firmly on the bubble. Beyond that, we probably toggle back and forth with every win and loss. Go 5-3 in our last 8 and we are firmly on the bubble.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 7, 2019 9:59:15 GMT -5
NET is up from 79 to 73 after the Providence win. A win on Saturday should definitely get us somewhere in the 60s and squarely on the bubble.
According to Bracket Matrix, here are the bubble teams ahead of us and how they fared last night:
10. Nebraska (L 60-45 vs. Maryland) 11. Alabama (W 89-74 vs. Georgia) 12. Davidson (W 68-53 vs. URI) 1st 4 out. Clemson (W 65-42 @ GT) Next 4 out. Creighton (L 66-59 @ Nova)
13th team out. Georgetown (W 76-67 @ Prov.)
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 7, 2019 10:11:43 GMT -5
NET is up from 79 to 73 after the Providence win. A win on Saturday should definitely get us somewhere in the 60s and squarely on the bubble. According to Bracket Matrix, here are the bubble teams ahead of us and how they fared last night: 10. Nebraska (L 60-45 vs. Maryland) 11. Alabama (W 89-74 vs. Georgia) 12. Davidson (W 68-53 vs. URI) 1st 4 out. Clemson (W 65-42 @ GT) Next 4 out. Creighton (L 66-59 @ Nova) 13th team out. Georgetown (W 76-67 @ Prov.) Nebraska is falling apart and I wouldn’t expect them to be in the tournament at this point.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 7, 2019 10:14:23 GMT -5
I think there's a 100% chance that there will be an NCAA tournament.
Win the game in front of you and the rest takes care of itself.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Feb 7, 2019 10:40:57 GMT -5
Illini win over MSU on Tuesday didn't hurt either.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 7, 2019 10:42:39 GMT -5
NET is up from 79 to 73 after the Providence win. A win on Saturday should definitely get us somewhere in the 60s and squarely on the bubble. According to Bracket Matrix, here are the bubble teams ahead of us and how they fared last night: 10. Nebraska (L 60-45 vs. Maryland) 11. Alabama (W 89-74 vs. Georgia) 12. Davidson (W 68-53 vs. URI) 1st 4 out. Clemson (W 65-42 @ GT) Next 4 out. Creighton (L 66-59 @ Nova) 13th team out. Georgetown (W 76-67 @ Prov.) We're slowly but surely getting there but still a good ~15 spot jump in NET rankings before we can be truly bubbling.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 7, 2019 12:06:17 GMT -5
I think there's a 100% chance that there will be an NCAA tournament. Win the game in front of you and the rest takes care of itself. Of course, but being on the bubble is something to look forward to and be excited about. A week to 10 days ago, I would have said “no chance.” Now, I’m back checking the brackets. But, yeah, that could go away with a dud
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Post by sleepy on Feb 7, 2019 12:12:43 GMT -5
Do we even know how seriously the committee will take NET rankings? There is no precedence for how they are used, what range is good vs bad, and no clue how accurate they are in measuring whatever it is they are supposed to be measuring.
It also seems extremely stupid of them to take RPI completely out of it (though our NET numbers I think are higher than RPI) and replace it with a algorithm they need to test still, not phase it out slowly while adjusting and tweaking the algorithm. But, thats the NCAA for you.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 7, 2019 12:18:32 GMT -5
Do we even know how seriously the committee will take NET rankings? There is no precedence for how they are used, what range is good vs bad, and no clue how accurate they are in measuring whatever it is they are supposed to be measuring. It also seems extremely stupid of them to take RPI completely out of it (though our NET numbers I think are higher than RPI) and replace it with a algorithm they need to test still, not phase it out slowly while adjusting and tweaking the algorithm. But, thats the NCAA for you. www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking“The NCAA Men’s Basketball Committee has had helpful metrics it has used over the years, and will continue to use the team sheets, but those will now be sorted by the NCAA Evaluation Tool,” Gavitt said. “As has always been the case, the committee won’t solely focus on metrics to select at-large teams and seed the field. There will always be a subjective element to the tournament selection process, too.”
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Post by sleepy on Feb 7, 2019 12:27:52 GMT -5
Do we even know how seriously the committee will take NET rankings? There is no precedence for how they are used, what range is good vs bad, and no clue how accurate they are in measuring whatever it is they are supposed to be measuring. It also seems extremely stupid of them to take RPI completely out of it (though our NET numbers I think are higher than RPI) and replace it with a algorithm they need to test still, not phase it out slowly while adjusting and tweaking the algorithm. But, thats the NCAA for you. www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking“The NCAA Men’s Basketball Committee has had helpful metrics it has used over the years, and will continue to use the team sheets, but those will now be sorted by the NCAA Evaluation Tool,” Gavitt said. “As has always been the case, the committee won’t solely focus on metrics to select at-large teams and seed the field. There will always be a subjective element to the tournament selection process, too.” I'm not sure what your point is? I don't think they will only use NET, but as far metrics they use NET will be the only official one. That is my issue.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 7, 2019 12:49:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure what your point is? I don't think they will only use NET, but as far metrics they use NET will be the only official one. That is my issue. The article talks about all the metrics that go into the NET, even if they were to use the RPI, it would be incorporated into the NET... That's my understanding of how it works...
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 7, 2019 12:56:05 GMT -5
What is the NET ranking we need to achieve to really start thinking about the tourney? We have to think the NET will play a big part since it is their tool and they have made a big deal about it. Prognosticators don't seem to be factoring this in but I think the NCAA will have a lot of egg on their face if they go against their own model.
There are 68 teams in the tourney. Roughly 23 will be auto qualifiers that wont be in the top 68. That should roughly put the top 45 in. We jumped 6 spots last night which is great but even more encouraging is Creighton jumping 4 for losing to Nova.
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Post by sweetness on Feb 7, 2019 13:01:44 GMT -5
When it came to the RPI, the rule of thumb to feel comfortable - no guarantee of course - was top 50.
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