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Post by Elvado on Dec 10, 2018 21:15:23 GMT -5
Just became the Hall of So-So.
Harold Baines? I can think of 20 players better than he was who are not in. This is a joke.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 11, 2018 15:52:57 GMT -5
A very good player for a very long time who doesn't have a HOF resume. Still, I am happy for Baines. A class act unlike alot of the jerks out there. The good guy won.
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Post by Filo on Dec 11, 2018 15:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Dec 11, 2018 16:52:31 GMT -5
Let ‘em all in. But Then it is the Hall of So So.
Baines was a very good player. Never the best player of his era or league at any time. Not even close.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 11, 2018 17:26:04 GMT -5
I would rather have Baines in than suspected steroid users like Bagwell or Pudge.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 11, 2018 17:59:55 GMT -5
I would rather have Baines in than suspected steroid users like Bagwell or Pudge. How about none of them? As for Bagwell and Pudge, while they are suspected cheats, Baines is demonstrably and numerically not qualified for the Hall of Fame. However he may belong in what now occupies Cooperstown. His enshrinement is akin to a participation trophy.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 11, 2018 21:27:13 GMT -5
As a White Sox fan, I'm very happy about this. On the other hand, I will acknowledge that if it were some other player with HB's credentials from a different team, I would probably join the loyal opposition. I'll just raise a glass to Baines tonight and leave it at that.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 13, 2018 7:32:13 GMT -5
Saw LaRussa’s rant about Baines. Guess he didn’t quit drinking after that DUI.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 14, 2018 22:43:27 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 17, 2018 19:27:40 GMT -5
Todd Rundgren failing to make the rock hall of fame is an outrage? Say what? Todd Rundgren?
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Post by tashoya on Dec 17, 2018 21:51:49 GMT -5
I'm happy for Harold Baines and for anyone that grew up idolizing the man. He was a heckuva player. But his stats, while very good, are not HOF worthy. They are stats of accumulation, not of dominance. He wasn't an MVP or ever one of the most feared players in his league. If he's in, Edgar Martinez should have been a lock years ago and Don Mattingly should be in too. I grew up a huge Mattingly fan. I don't think his numbers qualify him for the HOF either but Kirby Puckett (RIP) would tell me I'm an idiot as his are nearly identical. Granted, Puckett won a WS. But he was on good teams. Mattingly, largely, wasn't.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 18, 2018 7:45:02 GMT -5
I'm happy for Harold Baines and for anyone that grew up idolizing the man. He was a heckuva player. But his stats, while very good, are not HOF worthy. They are stats of accumulation, not of dominance. He wasn't an MVP or ever one of the most feared players in his league. If he's in, Edgar Martinez should have been a lock years ago and Don Mattingly should be in too. I grew up a huge Mattingly fan. I don't think his numbers qualify him for the HOF either but Kirby Puckett (RIP) would tell me I'm an idiot as his are nearly identical. Granted, Puckett won a WS. But he was on good teams. Mattingly, largely, wasn't. Kirby is an iffy HOFer. He was also a lot better than Mattingly and Baines (and Mattingly was better than Baines). Their offensive stats might have been similar, but Kirby was hitting like the other guys while playing a premium defensive position. Kirby: 51 WAR in 12 years Mattingly: 42 WAR in 14 years Baines: 38 WAR in 22 years
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 18, 2018 20:46:24 GMT -5
I'm happy for Harold Baines and for anyone that grew up idolizing the man. He was a heckuva player. But his stats, while very good, are not HOF worthy. They are stats of accumulation, not of dominance. He wasn't an MVP or ever one of the most feared players in his league. If he's in, Edgar Martinez should have been a lock years ago and Don Mattingly should be in too. I grew up a huge Mattingly fan. I don't think his numbers qualify him for the HOF either but Kirby Puckett (RIP) would tell me I'm an idiot as his are nearly identical. Granted, Puckett won a WS. But he was on good teams. Mattingly, largely, wasn't. Interestingly, Donnie Ballgame was interviewed in the LA Times last week, and said (at least for public consumption) that he is not HOF worthy because his career wasn't long enough. Being good for a long time is sometimes good enough. See Don Sutton and Bert Blyleven. Although, for what it's worth, and remember I've very happy re Baines, but Sutton and Blyleven are both more HOF worthy than Baines.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 19, 2018 21:28:03 GMT -5
I'm happy for Harold Baines and for anyone that grew up idolizing the man. He was a heckuva player. But his stats, while very good, are not HOF worthy. They are stats of accumulation, not of dominance. He wasn't an MVP or ever one of the most feared players in his league. If he's in, Edgar Martinez should have been a lock years ago and Don Mattingly should be in too. I grew up a huge Mattingly fan. I don't think his numbers qualify him for the HOF either but Kirby Puckett (RIP) would tell me I'm an idiot as his are nearly identical. Granted, Puckett won a WS. But he was on good teams. Mattingly, largely, wasn't. Kirby is an iffy HOFer. He was also a lot better than Mattingly and Baines (and Mattingly was better than Baines). Their offensive stats might have been similar, but Kirby was hitting like the other guys while playing a premium defensive position. Kirby: 51 WAR in 12 years Mattingly: 42 WAR in 14 years Baines: 38 WAR in 22 years Puckett was a great fielder. And Mattingly won 9 Gold Gloves.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 22, 2019 19:44:19 GMT -5
And Roy Halladay gets in on the “he just died plan”.
203 wins and first ballot. Please...
On another note, good for Rivera for being unanimous. Writers stopped playing games.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 22, 2019 20:06:55 GMT -5
Imagine being in 2019 and using wins to evaluate a starting pitcher.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 22, 2019 21:13:37 GMT -5
And Roy Halladay gets in on the “he just died plan”. 203 wins and first ballot. Please... On another note, good for Rivera for being unanimous. Writers stopped playing games. Halladay had 8-10 really good years, but they weren't Sandy Koufax really good. I have to agree that this is the oddest first ballot inclusion in quite some time. Totally agree with the second point. You could probably put together a full roster of players who should have been unanimously elected but were not, due to the stupidity and/or stubbornness of voters at the time.
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Post by TC on Jan 23, 2019 2:05:49 GMT -5
If Baines getting in guilted the writers into finally letting Edgar in, I accept it.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 23, 2019 15:59:52 GMT -5
Without looking at Edgar's numbers, I just remember being scared crapless that he'd come up to the plate with guys on. I don't know if his numbers adequately reflect how dominant of a hitter he was at his peak. That said, it sure feels like an inclusion as a way to open the door to let David Ortiz in. It's not as though Edgar has gotten better over the past several years.
Congratulations to Mariano. The man was a model of greatness and humility. Class act all the way. I understand (and somewhat agree) the debate about the closer role but, since it's, apparently, here to stay, one would have to work pretty hard to find a reason to not vote him in.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 23, 2019 17:39:26 GMT -5
And Roy Halladay gets in on the “he just died plan”. 203 wins and first ballot. Please... On another note, good for Rivera for being unanimous. Writers stopped playing games. Halladay had 8-10 really good years, but they weren't Sandy Koufax really good. I have to agree that this is the oddest first ballot inclusion in quite some time. Totally agree with the second point. You could probably put together a full roster of players who should have been unanimously elected but were not, due to the stupidity and/or stubbornness of voters at the time. It is not unfair to say that Halladay's untimely passing probably accelerated his election to the Hall of Fame by a few years. He would have been enshrined in any event. I'll lead that call here for Fred McGriff, who missed again in his tenth and final year on the ballot. Steady, consistent, fearsome power hitter whose numbers, compiled without medicinal assistance, paled in comparison to the behemoths who were later found to have been using steroids. Hopefully the Veterans Committee will do the right thing.
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