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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 4, 2018 10:56:41 GMT -5
Please air all grievances here. First they talked about a major renovation which basically amounted to black seats and polishing the concessions so your overpriced food purchase is only slightly less depressing. Now they don't even pull out the bleachers for the Hoyas/Liberty game?
I wonder if we could play games at the new place in SE that was built for the Mystics & G league team? We need to plan for the future and playing at multiple "home" courts might be the optimal solution. The problem is multi-faceted and even schools with bigger alumni bases are having issues. This is the modern TV driven sports fan paradigm. Winning big east games will help but that probably only pushes us from a half full arena to a 65% capacity arena. Cap One is too big and the only thing it has going for it is location. I still say drop everyone in the lower bowl and close off the 200 & 400 sections altogether.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 4, 2018 12:08:49 GMT -5
Please air all grievances here. First they talked about a major renovation which basically amounted to black seats and polishing the concessions so your overpriced food purchase is only slightly less depressing. Now they don't even pull out the bleachers for the Hoyas/Liberty game? I wonder if we could play games at the new place in SE that was built for the Mystics & G league team? We need to plan for the future and playing at multiple "home" courts might be the optimal solution. The problem is multi-faceted and even schools with bigger alumni bases are having issues. This is the modern TV driven sports fan paradigm. Winning big east games will help but that probably only pushes us from a half full arena to a 65% capacity arena. Cap One is too big and the only thing it has going for it is location. I still say drop everyone in the lower bowl and close off the 200 & 400 sections altogether. How does your plan take into account the huge difference in ticket prices between the 100, 200 and 400 levels? Should I have to pay far more $$ for far worse sightlines just because the seats are lower? Does closing the upper levels somehow attract more students to the games or otherwise affect the few praiseworthy students who attend now? Don't discount the location of Capital One Arena either... with a winning team the area and access can be a huge positive to encourage attendance. Personally I'd be happy to see some games at the new Entertainment and Sports Arena (ESA). No idea if it will ever happen.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 4, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -5
Please air all grievances here. First they talked about a major renovation which basically amounted to black seats and polishing the concessions so your overpriced food purchase is only slightly less depressing. Now they don't even pull out the bleachers for the Hoyas/Liberty game? I wonder if we could play games at the new place in SE that was built for the Mystics & G league team? We need to plan for the future and playing at multiple "home" courts might be the optimal solution. The problem is multi-faceted and even schools with bigger alumni bases are having issues. This is the modern TV driven sports fan paradigm. Winning big east games will help but that probably only pushes us from a half full arena to a 65% capacity arena. Cap One is too big and the only thing it has going for it is location. I still say drop everyone in the lower bowl and close off the 200 & 400 sections altogether. How does your plan take into account the huge difference in ticket prices between the 100, 200 and 400 levels? Should I have to pay far more $$ for far worse sightlines just because the seats are lower? Does closing the upper levels somehow attract more students to the games or otherwise affect the few praiseworthy students who attend now? Don't discount the location of Capital One Arena either... with a winning team the area and access can be a huge positive to encourage attendance. Personally I'd be happy to see some games at the new Entertainment and Sports Arena (ESA). No idea if it will ever happen. You gotta look at this as being part of the greater good. I realize it wouldn't be a positive for all. Right now, there are tons of 100 level fans who pay but don't show up. I would propose an exchange to accommodate those in the 200 & 400 level so they are part of the solution. It wouldn't fix students not showing up but it would help to have those seats in the 100's be filled for noise and for TV eyeballs. I also don't think making you pay more is the solution. Let's be honest, these early games are essentially a donation as you could get good seats right before tip for $5. There has to be a fix even if some site lines are compromised. It would also limit staffing costs of Cap One although they really don't seem to give a damn about the customer there.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 4, 2018 16:43:07 GMT -5
Let me add my two cents as someone who regularly sits in the 400 Section. One of the members in our group is in a wheelchair and the wheelchair accessible seats in 400, especially 401, are much better than the accessible seats in the 100 and 200 Sections. Looking right down from center court. See all the plays develop and no worry about people in front standing up and blocking your view. And of course much cheaper.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 4, 2018 16:48:48 GMT -5
Please air all grievances here. First they talked about a major renovation which basically amounted to black seats and polishing the concessions so your overpriced food purchase is only slightly less depressing. Now they don't even pull out the bleachers for the Hoyas/Liberty game? I wonder if we could play games at the new place in SE that was built for the Mystics & G league team? We need to plan for the future and playing at multiple "home" courts might be the optimal solution. The problem is multi-faceted and even schools with bigger alumni bases are having issues. This is the modern TV driven sports fan paradigm. Winning big east games will help but that probably only pushes us from a half full arena to a 65% capacity arena. Cap One is too big and the only thing it has going for it is location. I still say drop everyone in the lower bowl and close off the 200 & 400 sections altogether. I think you're discounting the upgrade from the purple seats to the black seats. I don't even want to go back to purple era Wizards. For the bleachers behind the basket, that was likely because the Capitals have games on Sunday and Tuesday this week. This has happened multiple times in the past when the stadium has a short turn around between different events, or when the stadium is short staffed (like when there is a major snow storm). Are you a season ticket holder? There is already an exchange program where you can trade tickets for games you can't attend for other games in the season. That opens up seats for the University to fill by either selling them or giving them away, but it requires action from the season ticket holder which might be hard to ensure. You're pretty quick to dismiss ticket prices and sight lines. If I was center court in the 400's I might consider behind the basket in the 100's to be a downgrade. As it is, I pay much more for my season tickets than many of my friends because I prefer to sit in the section I've been in since 2005, and moving to the corner doesn't seem worth the downgrade in view. I'm honestly not really sure what problem you're trying to solve for. Are you trying to increase attendance? Are you trying to consolidate fans for optics purposes? Or are you just complaining because you miss 2007?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 4, 2018 17:39:34 GMT -5
Please air all grievances here. First they talked about a major renovation which basically amounted to black seats and polishing the concessions so your overpriced food purchase is only slightly less depressing. Now they don't even pull out the bleachers for the Hoyas/Liberty game? I wonder if we could play games at the new place in SE that was built for the Mystics & G league team? We need to plan for the future and playing at multiple "home" courts might be the optimal solution. The problem is multi-faceted and even schools with bigger alumni bases are having issues. This is the modern TV driven sports fan paradigm... Not buying it. Big East attendance to date shows some schools are doing just fine: Creighton: 17,063, 93% capacity Marquette: 14,196, 81% capacity Xavier: 10,359, 100% capacity Butler: 8,413, 92% capacity Georgetown is just 5,034 a game, and that's announced attendance. Hard to believe that there were over 4,000 people at Liberty. For a variety of reasons, not all Georgetown's fault, the fan base has burned out and we're treading DePaul-like numbers (who drew 3,763 last night vs. Florida A&M). That has got to be a sea of red ink which, along with Ewing's salary, is unsustainable for this program right now. Moving to St. E's doesn't fix this---and how many are driving there on a Monday night to see Liberty? So Capital One isn't opening up concession stands. Well, why should they? We're not a very good tenant right now. Here are the attendance figures from 2011-12. What has changed? The Georgetown fan base. Will GU draw 8,120 to see Howard this year? Savannah St.: 9,876 UNC-Greensboro: 7,986 IUPUI: 6,854 NJIT: 8,742 Howard: 8,120 American: 9,964 Memphis: 12,045 Finally, for those who haven't seen it, St. E's isn't much bigger than McDonough. What DC taxpayers got for $70 million:
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Post by calhoya on Dec 4, 2018 17:47:55 GMT -5
Winning changes attendance. Not playing opposite the Redskins would help. A little later start would help. If all else fails pick an opponent for these type of early games that is going to have a local fan base.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 4, 2018 18:33:18 GMT -5
Please air all grievances here. First they talked about a major renovation which basically amounted to black seats and polishing the concessions so your overpriced food purchase is only slightly less depressing. Now they don't even pull out the bleachers for the Hoyas/Liberty game? I wonder if we could play games at the new place in SE that was built for the Mystics & G league team? We need to plan for the future and playing at multiple "home" courts might be the optimal solution. The problem is multi-faceted and even schools with bigger alumni bases are having issues. This is the modern TV driven sports fan paradigm. Winning big east games will help but that probably only pushes us from a half full arena to a 65% capacity arena. Cap One is too big and the only thing it has going for it is location. I still say drop everyone in the lower bowl and close off the 200 & 400 sections altogether. I think you're discounting the upgrade from the purple seats to the black seats. I don't even want to go back to purple era Wizards. For the bleachers behind the basket, that was likely because the Capitals have games on Sunday and Tuesday this week. This has happened multiple times in the past when the stadium has a short turn around between different events, or when the stadium is short staffed (like when there is a major snow storm). Are you a season ticket holder? There is already an exchange program where you can trade tickets for games you can't attend for other games in the season. That opens up seats for the University to fill by either selling them or giving them away, but it requires action from the season ticket holder which might be hard to ensure. You're pretty quick to dismiss ticket prices and sight lines. If I was center court in the 400's I might consider behind the basket in the 100's to be a downgrade. As it is, I pay much more for my season tickets than many of my friends because I prefer to sit in the section I've been in since 2005, and moving to the corner doesn't seem worth the downgrade in view. I'm honestly not really sure what problem you're trying to solve for. Are you trying to increase attendance? Are you trying to consolidate fans for optics purposes? Or are you just complaining because you miss 2007? Not having the bleachers out was unexcuseable. The Capitals Play Away today not at home. No excuse not to have them out. Second, The Hoyas will eventually be regulated to the St. E's arena. It's not going to be a choice. So fans better start getting used to the idea of heading there.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 4, 2018 18:55:22 GMT -5
Renovations or no renovations, Cap One is no fun for these games because it's a ghost town. I would be surprised if we had 4,000 people there last night. As for the bleachers, my guess is they were not pulled out because there was no one to sit in them. I actually thought the setup looked slightly better than more rows of empty seats.
I thought in some ways the fan experience is even worse now than it has been of late. Most of the fans I sat around last night were really negative on the team. With each mistake, there was that clear frustration with more of the same. I get it -- we've had a dismal few years and even if we improve this year I don't expect a tournament team.
There aren't any easy answers to this issue. A smaller arena, especially one on campus, would be ideal. But funding and the neighborhood will likely prevent it. Playing better will bring some fans back. We are a small school with an alumni base dispersed all over the world, though. Unless we recruit more local kids or get substantially better, it's hard to see a dramatic change.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 4, 2018 18:58:47 GMT -5
I think you're discounting the upgrade from the purple seats to the black seats. I don't even want to go back to purple era Wizards. For the bleachers behind the basket, that was likely because the Capitals have games on Sunday and Tuesday this week. This has happened multiple times in the past when the stadium has a short turn around between different events, or when the stadium is short staffed (like when there is a major snow storm). Are you a season ticket holder? There is already an exchange program where you can trade tickets for games you can't attend for other games in the season. That opens up seats for the University to fill by either selling them or giving them away, but it requires action from the season ticket holder which might be hard to ensure. You're pretty quick to dismiss ticket prices and sight lines. If I was center court in the 400's I might consider behind the basket in the 100's to be a downgrade. As it is, I pay much more for my season tickets than many of my friends because I prefer to sit in the section I've been in since 2005, and moving to the corner doesn't seem worth the downgrade in view. I'm honestly not really sure what problem you're trying to solve for. Are you trying to increase attendance? Are you trying to consolidate fans for optics purposes? Or are you just complaining because you miss 2007? Not having the bleachers out was unexcuseable. The Capitals Play Away today not at home. No excuse not to have them out. Second, The Hoyas will eventually be regulated to the St. E's arena. It's not going to be a choice. So fans better start getting used to the idea of heading there. Sorry, I misread the Capitals schedule. Still, what's the problem with not having the bleachers out? You couldn't tell from TV. Plus those tickets have just been for giveaways for these early season games, so it's not like season ticket holders or students were affected by it. Having the bleachers out or not isn't going to change attendance. This isn't soccer (though that's relegated not regulated). As long as Georgetown keeps paying for the Capital One Arena they'll continue to play there.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 4, 2018 19:47:10 GMT -5
Doesn't the Big East have a minimum arena capacity requirement? I think St. E's probably falls well below this requirement, as does McDonough. If I remember correctly, every BE team needs to play a certain portion of its games (a significant majority?) in an arena with a capacity well above either of these DC options. I know this has been discussed on the board before (many times!), I'm sure someone with more knowledge and a better memory can yet again remind us of the details. But I think the bottom line is that there really is no viable option for us other than Cap One, no matter how few people show up.
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 4, 2018 20:52:54 GMT -5
Still, what's the problem with not having the bleachers out? You couldn't tell from TV. Plus those tickets have just been for giveaways for these early season games, so it's not like season ticket holders or students were affected by it. Kinda were though... I received this adorable note about an hour before tip last night: This affected at least 5 or so of my immediate group of friends. Now, I wasn't planning to attend last night anyway. Had I gone, I probably would've just taken the replacement seats (seven rows back) since we were playing in a deadmall and you can basically sit wherever these days. Still, it's another illustration of how Georgetown fans are like fifth class citizens at Cap One. The Caps had played at 3 on Sunday, and there wasn't an event tonight. Cirque du Soleil starts tomorrow, and I imagine that probably requires a little specialized setup. But...you can't turn a basketball setup into the modified hockey setup they used last night in 24 hours? They turnaround from Hoyas to Caps (or vice versa) between noon and 7pm on weekends all the time. So either Cap One judged that the Hoyas/fans matter so little that it was worth the shortcut (entirely possible!), or nobody told McDonough and they didn't find out until yesterday afternoon/evening, and/or McDonough forgot to email their season ticket holders until less than an hour before the game. If I'd actually been going to the game, I'd have been in transit by then and not checking email, so I'd have found out when my ticket got scanned I guess(?). Not exactly some great crisis, but still pretty lame and extremely Cap One/Georgetown.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 4, 2018 21:15:22 GMT -5
Still, what's the problem with not having the bleachers out? You couldn't tell from TV. Plus those tickets have just been for giveaways for these early season games, so it's not like season ticket holders or students were affected by it. Kinda were though... I received this adorable note about an hour before tip last night: This affected at least 5 or so of my immediate group of friends. Now, I wasn't planning to attend last night anyway. Had I gone, I probably would've just taken the replacement seats (seven rows back) since we were playing in a deadmall and you can basically sit wherever these days. Still, it's another illustration of how Georgetown fans are like fifth class citizens at Cap One. The Caps had played at 3 on Sunday, and there wasn't an event tonight. Cirque du Soleil starts tomorrow, and I imagine that probably requires a little specialized setup. But...you can't turn a basketball setup into the modified hockey setup they used last night in 24 hours? They turnaround from Hoyas to Caps (or vice versa) between noon and 7pm on weekends all the time. So either Cap One judged that the Hoyas/fans matter so little that it was worth the shortcut (entirely possible!), or nobody told McDonough and they didn't find out until yesterday afternoon/evening, and/or McDonough forgot to email their season ticket holders until less than an hour before the game. If I'd actually been going to the game, I'd have been in transit by then and not checking email, so I'd have found out when my ticket got scanned I guess(?). Not exactly some great crisis, but still pretty lame and extremely Cap One/Georgetown. Thanks for the insight, that’s super interesting and I didn’t realize how many sections it affected.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 4, 2018 21:24:18 GMT -5
Doesn't the Big East have a minimum arena capacity requirement? I think St. E's probably falls well below this requirement, as does McDonough. If I remember correctly, every BE team needs to play a certain portion of its games (a significant majority?) in an arena with a capacity well above either of these DC options. I know this has been discussed on the board before (many times!), I'm sure someone with more knowledge and a better memory can yet again remind us of the details. But I think the bottom line is that there really is no viable option for us other than Cap One, no matter how few people show up. Not sure whether the rule is still in effect for the new BE but St. John's has played a number of BE games @ Carnesecca Arena(5,600 seats) the past few seasons... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/st-johns-ny/2018-schedule.html
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 5, 2018 8:47:11 GMT -5
Let's get this out of the way first: An on campus arena is (probably) forever out of the question. (pending better public transit to gtown and neighborhood approval-so yeah never happening)
I don't really have much of an issue with the set up Monday. Sure does it scream second class tenant? Absolutely. But as someone mentioned above, we don't really deserve any better treatment at this point nor was there any need for them to spend extra labor no matter how much time they had to set it up any further. You could have sat in any section you wanted Monday even with reduced seats. There were maybe 2 people I saw in the 400's Monday.
The simple fact is the team has not been great/given the city anything to be excited about for the past few years. It's unfathomable to those on this site that attendance sucks because of that but let's face it, anyone who is taking the time to read these posts or contribute in this forum are die hards. We're going to the games regardless. For the more casual fan, they need a good opponent, they need a good team.
We also need to separate OOC schedule with BE schedule as well. This discussion rears its head almost every year around this time. We're never really going to draw great to these lesser known OOC games, and they're going to happen every year regardless of how good we are. More concerning to me is the similar lack of attendance is going to continue through to BE play. The last few years have been awful.
Solutions? it really is as simple as being a good team. Good team, good opponents, people will show. Students play into this, and I wish there was a more effective way to get students to the games because the place is just dead. They're really going to be the driving force of a home court advantage. Winning solves alot of this, big games solve alot of this. I'm not sure what else to do with the students to get them there, but something needs to be done. During the Jeff and Roy years, it became the thing to do because we were good. That culture gets passed down to the next freshman class as the social event to be. We lost that mojo. These current seniors haven't seen the good times to make their job of getting their classmates and underclassmen to games any easier.
There's of course more to this discussion, such as location, access, game start times, etc.
I think there are a few things that can be done in the interim to change the experience given our limitations at the moment:
Solution 1: The easiest and most impactful thing to do is that the 400's need to be closed and draped for the whole season. I'm sorry centercourt400's this just needs to be done. I'm not sure where cost is coming into play here. You can get lower bowl seats for free basically to every game. This is up to the athletic department to lower costs of season tickets to make accessible to those who are still in the 4's but there can't be more than what 40 of you? (being generous in that number?)
Solution 2: Dim the damn lights! This is such a better effect (and hides all the vacant seats). Tarping over the student section is just dumb and only highlights that nobody is there. I got so many texts during the game from friends (not Gtown fans) who watched the game and said why is there noone there? Why are there tarps? Followed by having to explain why playing on campus won't work, etc.
Solution 3: We need to relocate our smaller OOC games somewhere else. Whether it be McDonough or freaking Gonazaga's gym, I can't imagine that Gtown isn't hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash for these games. When does this become untenable money wise?
I know this is rather simplistic and there are obstacles to any solution, but the first 2 options I put out there are no brainers and need to be done immediately. Win more games, people will come. We need to get that place rocking again because it's embarrassing. If you don't think this is going to hurt recruiting, you're mistaken. Go to most any other teams games (not Depaul) and see the difference. Something needs to be done and fast. Someone smarter than me figure this out
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 5, 2018 9:24:07 GMT -5
Please air all grievances here. First they talked about a major renovation which basically amounted to black seats and polishing the concessions so your overpriced food purchase is only slightly less depressing. Now they don't even pull out the bleachers for the Hoyas/Liberty game? I wonder if we could play games at the new place in SE that was built for the Mystics & G league team? We need to plan for the future and playing at multiple "home" courts might be the optimal solution. The problem is multi-faceted and even schools with bigger alumni bases are having issues. This is the modern TV driven sports fan paradigm. Winning big east games will help but that probably only pushes us from a half full arena to a 65% capacity arena. Cap One is too big and the only thing it has going for it is location. I still say drop everyone in the lower bowl and close off the 200 & 400 sections altogether. I think you're discounting the upgrade from the purple seats to the black seats. I don't even want to go back to purple era Wizards. For the bleachers behind the basket, that was likely because the Capitals have games on Sunday and Tuesday this week. This has happened multiple times in the past when the stadium has a short turn around between different events, or when the stadium is short staffed (like when there is a major snow storm). Are you a season ticket holder? There is already an exchange program where you can trade tickets for games you can't attend for other games in the season. That opens up seats for the University to fill by either selling them or giving them away, but it requires action from the season ticket holder which might be hard to ensure. You're pretty quick to dismiss ticket prices and sight lines. If I was center court in the 400's I might consider behind the basket in the 100's to be a downgrade. As it is, I pay much more for my season tickets than many of my friends because I prefer to sit in the section I've been in since 2005, and moving to the corner doesn't seem worth the downgrade in view. I'm honestly not really sure what problem you're trying to solve for. Are you trying to increase attendance? Are you trying to consolidate fans for optics purposes? Or are you just complaining because you miss 2007? LC, the problem is the lack of a home court advantage #1. Optics is #2. As far as 2007, our increase in attendance largely has to do with opposing fans filling spaces. That's not a win for me to have a bunch of Uconn, Cuse, WVU, MD and V. Tech fans in the building (going way back of course). That is frequently when we see significant increases in attendance. Frankly it is downright embarrassing when the opposing team makes a run and it gets loud. If you went to our last Duke home game, there were about 7K Duke fans in the place. Winning will up the attendance for sure, but our home game experience has never been great. That also is why I think we lose some recruits. By lowering capacity you are creating the environment for a better home court advantage when we start winning and drawing more fans. Site lines be damned. The worst thing that happens is that those in the 400's have to pay up for good site lines in the lower bowl or sit in the end zones. That is a bad argument for keeping capacity double what we need it. I do understand the handicap accessible issue as they can't pay up but at current attendance levels we could probably open up a few suits for those folks unless I am underestimating the size of the wheelchair accessible audience at most games. I think you could also bring them down to the floor to sit front row in the end zones.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 5, 2018 9:33:10 GMT -5
Let's get this out of the way first: An on campus arena is (probably) forever out of the question. (pending better public transit to gtown and neighborhood approval-so yeah never happening) I don't really have much of an issue with the set up Monday. Sure does it scream second class tenant? Absolutely. But as someone mentioned above, we don't really deserve any better treatment at this point nor was there any need for them to spend extra labor no matter how much time they had to set it up any further. You could have sat in any section you wanted Monday even with reduced seats. There were maybe 2 people I saw in the 400's Monday. The simple fact is the team has not been great/given the city anything to be excited about for the past few years. It's unfathomable to those on this site that attendance sucks because of that but let's face it, anyone who is taking the time to read these posts or contribute in this forum are die hards. We're going to the games regardless. For the more casual fan, they need a good opponent, they need a good team. We also need to separate OOC schedule with BE schedule as well. This discussion rears its head almost every year around this time. We're never really going to draw great to these lesser known OOC games, and they're going to happen every year regardless of how good we are. More concerning to me is the similar lack of attendance is going to continue through to BE play. The last few years have been awful. Solutions? it really is as simple as being a good team. Good team, good opponents, people will show. Students play into this, and I wish there was a more effective way to get students to the games because the place is just dead. They're really going to be the driving force of a home court advantage. Winning solves alot of this, big games solve alot of this. I'm not sure what else to do with the students to get them there, but something needs to be done. During the Jeff and Roy years, it became the thing to do because we were good. That culture gets passed down to the next freshman class as the social event to be. We lost that mojo. These current seniors haven't seen the good times to make their job of getting their classmates and underclassmen to games any easier. There's of course more to this discussion, such as location, access, game start times, etc. I think there are a few things that can be done in the interim to change the experience given our limitations at the moment: Solution 1: The easiest and most impactful thing to do is that the 400's need to be closed and draped for the whole season. I'm sorry centercourt400's this just needs to be done. I'm not sure where cost is coming into play here. You can get lower bowl seats for free basically to every game. This is up to the athletic department to lower costs of season tickets to make accessible to those who are still in the 4's but there can't be more than what 40 of you? (being generous in that number?) Solution 2: Dim the damn lights! This is such a better effect (and hides all the vacant seats). Tarping over the student section is just dumb and only highlights that nobody is there. I got so many texts during the game from friends (not Gtown fans) who watched the game and said why is there noone there? Why are there tarps? Followed by having to explain why playing on campus won't work, etc. Solution 3: We need to relocate our smaller OOC games somewhere else. Whether it be McDonough or freaking Gonazaga's gym, I can't imagine that Gtown isn't hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash for these games. When does this become untenable money wise? I know this is rather simplistic and there are obstacles to any solution, but the first 2 options I put out there are no brainers and need to be done immediately. Win more games, people will come. We need to get that place rocking again because it's embarrassing. If you don't think this is going to hurt recruiting, you're mistaken. Go to most any other teams games (not Depaul) and see the difference. Something needs to be done and fast. Someone smarter than me figure this out Bravo. I agree with all this. Shouldn’t be that hard to do.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2018 9:43:50 GMT -5
Here are the attendance figures from 2011-12. What has changed? The Georgetown fan base. You are sort of right and sort of wrong. Wrong, in the sense that "what has changed" is that 2011-2012 was preceded by a lot of good teams and seasons, whereas 2017-2018 isn't. Right, in the sense that our "fan base" grows when the team wins more, and fades away when we don't. Students are only driving attendance to a small degree. Given the small size of the student body, they can only make a small dent in an arena the size of Capital One.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2018 9:48:27 GMT -5
Solution 3: We need to relocate our smaller OOC games somewhere else. Whether it be McDonough or freaking Gonazaga's gym, I can't imagine that Gtown isn't hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash for these games. When does this become untenable money wise? I have firmly believed this for the last few years. In 2000ish, wasn't there a plan to renovate McDonough by sinking the floor and making it into a real "arena" with a capacity of 4,000 or so? And supposedly, that plan would not have required any permitting or approval from the neighbors, which is the real key. If so, we should play all of our OOC games there against non-marquee opponents. It's fine to play any Gavitt Games or Big 12 matchups, or Syracuse type games at Capital One, but games against SWAC/MEAC, and other non-high major teams should be at a renovated McDonough. It would help us get a much better home-court advantage, it would be very easy for students to attend, and it wouldn't look like a mausoleum on television.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 5, 2018 10:16:36 GMT -5
Here are the attendance figures from 2011-12. What has changed? The Georgetown fan base. You are sort of right and sort of wrong. Wrong, in the sense that "what has changed" is that 2011-2012 was preceded by a lot of good teams and seasons, whereas 2017-2018 isn't. Right, in the sense that our "fan base" grows when the team wins more, and fades away when we don't. Students are only driving attendance to a small degree. Given the small size of the student body, they can only make a small dent in an arena the size of Capital One. In addition to winning, you have the obvious fact that big state schools like UConn, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, and Lville padding the attendance numbers during conference play along with a school like Notre Dame that has a strong local alumni source. I realize the timing is off on some of this but this was a contributing factor. Butler, Xavier & Creighton don't have comparable local alumni bases.
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