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Post by hoyavafan1 on Dec 16, 2020 17:49:40 GMT -5
When Mutumbo comes in next year we’ll have 4 centers. We may never know what we have in Malcolm if he doesn’t get any playing time this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he transferred next year if he continues to get no play time.
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Post by hoyavafan1 on Dec 16, 2020 17:54:27 GMT -5
Malcolm needs some real game experience. Agreed.... All the young’ems need real game experience
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 16, 2020 18:24:51 GMT -5
GO HOYAS GO HOCKEY SUBS!!!
In all seriousness- I love letting subs get a few minutes here and there. The last minute or two before halftime, when tired starters often commit stupid fouls, is a key example.
I hate DNPs...let as many players as possible sniff the floor.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 16, 2020 18:44:16 GMT -5
He has only had 3 minutes, but those minutes were better than ‘ok’. He does lead the team in offensive rating and has a 54.4% offensive rebounding percentage on the small sample....if that is what you describe as ‘ok’. I'm all for advanced stats but come on. Taking a 3 min sample, where his offensive rating is based on 1 putback dunk, and using them to argue his skill level is so inherently flawed. It's using advanced stats in this context that gets people turned off by their value. 1 put back dunk and 3 offensive rebounds. What would he need to do in 3 minutes to be better than ‘ok’? I think your grading rubric is is awfully difficult.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 16, 2020 19:23:15 GMT -5
I'm all for advanced stats but come on. Taking a 3 min sample, where his offensive rating is based on 1 putback dunk, and using them to argue his skill level is so inherently flawed. It's using advanced stats in this context that gets people turned off by their value. 1 put back dunk and 3 offensive rebounds. What would he need to do in 3 minutes to be better than ‘ok’? I think your grading rubric is is awfully difficult. I was responding to your point about leading the team in offensive rating and rebounding rate. Yes his 3 minutes against UMBC were Wilt Chamberlain reincarnate. But do we really think that is indicative of what we would get in extended minutes against Big East opponents? Do you think he would still lead the team in offensive rating and rebounding rate? How did he not get a rebound in his two minutes against Coppin St.? Killed his per min averages. That's my broader point. I really don't think 3 minutes against UMBC is more indicative than what he's shown Ewing over two years, including when he didn't dress when we had 6 other scholarship players (I know he got hurt at some point but I didn't think it was until after the transfers) and using stats on the smallest of sample sizes is really dangerous. That's all. We usually agree on most of the analytical stuff so I'll stop there.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 16, 2020 19:36:52 GMT -5
Clearly, it is a small sample and doesn’t extrapolate, but those were 3 good minutes.
Part of me thinks that Malcolm has a similar game to SJU’s Moore and would feast on those put-backs in a ‘dunker’ role. He would be pushed around by beefy centers, but he runs like a gazelle. I would like to see more of Malcolm so I could better understand why he can’t contribute this year.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 16, 2020 21:43:57 GMT -5
He needs to play! All his playing time would increase his abilities, timing, rhythm, and confidence. He may not score and doesn't need plays called for him. He can get them the old fashioned big man way. Get the rebound and follow up. Hes been told he's the quickest of all of our big men. He has to impress the coaches, defensively, enough for them to give him a chance instead of mop-up time. He has to do the work.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 17, 2020 4:30:59 GMT -5
Malcolm needs some real game experience. I'm not sure whether I agree or not...but this was always going to be the problem with 3 centers in the same recruiting class. Others have argued you can play two of them together, Ewing doesnt seen to agree yet. Now there's worse ways to use a scholarship (and his off the court accomplishments are impressive as well), but any Malcolm minutes basically have to come from Tim...and Tim's minutes seem to be in jeopardy somewhat to more small ball lineups to begin with (I absolutely agree with that approach btw). So unless we get into extreme foul trouble (like UMBC) I don't see an easy answer here. And honestly if we're playing UMBC again I think Ewing would probably just go Pickett and Bile as he gets more comfortable going small. I don't see why we can't sub Malcolm for Q against StJs. They don't have a big that can overpower Malcolm down low. Timmy has given us nothing to date, so try Malcolm in this game to see what you get. We know what TimmyI provides....
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Post by practice on Dec 17, 2020 6:16:27 GMT -5
I keep hoping that given his slim frame and length that Malcolm emerges a 4 or even a Giant 3 and starts dropping threes and running the floor and blocking guys 6 inches shorter than him out near the three point line. We’ve seen him play so little - no one really knows how he fits in.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 17, 2020 8:10:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether I agree or not...but this was always going to be the problem with 3 centers in the same recruiting class. Others have argued you can play two of them together, Ewing doesnt seen to agree yet. Now there's worse ways to use a scholarship (and his off the court accomplishments are impressive as well), but any Malcolm minutes basically have to come from Tim...and Tim's minutes seem to be in jeopardy somewhat to more small ball lineups to begin with (I absolutely agree with that approach btw). So unless we get into extreme foul trouble (like UMBC) I don't see an easy answer here. And honestly if we're playing UMBC again I think Ewing would probably just go Pickett and Bile as he gets more comfortable going small. I don't see why we can't sub Malcolm for Q against StJs. They don't have a big that can overpower Malcolm down low. Timmy has given us nothing to date, so try Malcolm in this game to see what you get. We know what TimmyI provides.... If that's the argument then I'm open to it. As long as we then dont complain about Tim's minutes being zero. Tim played 5 min against St. Johns, so I don't really think you can split that. And I agree Tim hasn't been good so it could be worth a shot. But I don't see minutes for both
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 17, 2020 8:19:19 GMT -5
I see minutes for Q, Timmy, and Malcolm and would LOVE to see that happen!
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Dec 17, 2020 8:52:17 GMT -5
When Mutumbo comes in next year we’ll have 4 centers. We may never know what we have in Malcolm if he doesn’t get any playing time this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he transferred next year if he continues to get no play time. From everything we've seen from Malcolm off the court, a transfer for playing time reasons would be very surprising to me. Better odds he sticks it out another year, gets on the path to graduate as early as possible and grad transfers down the road. I hope that isn't the case as I do think he has the potential to contribute in the 3.5 yrs he has remaining. Also, I think we are discounting whether Q gets a look at the NBA this year. It is all about potential and he's a more than decent rim protector with some decent touch around the basket. He's 6 games into his sophomore year and a few good performances against some of the Big East top big men could get a much stronger look that us fans think he might deserve at this point. That would be a huge loss for next year's team based on what I've seen from Tim so far.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 17, 2020 9:17:23 GMT -5
I keep hoping that given his slim frame and length that Malcolm emerges a 4 or even a Giant 3 and starts dropping threes and running the floor and blocking guys 6 inches shorter than him out near the three point line. We’ve seen him play so little - no one really knows how he fits in. I think defensively he can already do that. Anything you get offensively from him is just a bonus but at the 3 or 4 spot he should just hang around the rim and get offensive boards and put backs.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 17, 2020 10:20:34 GMT -5
When Mutumbo comes in next year we’ll have 4 centers. We may never know what we have in Malcolm if he doesn’t get any playing time this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he transferred next year if he continues to get no play time. From everything we've seen from Malcolm off the court, a transfer for playing time reasons would be very surprising to me. Better odds he sticks it out another year, gets on the path to graduate as early as possible and grad transfers down the road. I hope that isn't the case as I do think he has the potential to contribute in the 3.5 yrs he has remaining. Also, I think we are discounting whether Q gets a look at the NBA this year. It is all about potential and he's a more than decent rim protector with some decent touch around the basket. He's 6 games into his sophomore year and a few good performances against some of the Big East top big men could get a much stronger look that us fans think he might deserve at this point. That would be a huge loss for next year's team based on what I've seen from Tim so far. I don't see him leaving early. I see him more in the Roy Hibbert trajectory (they have similar frosh/soph numbers), but Qudus has to practice a lot of FTs and start to pass it out from inside. Like Roy, I think he needs to be more consistent in a lot of areas of his game to be seriously considered by the end of his junior year. I think Qudus will be a great leader as a senior. Once Blair and Jamorko are gone, it will be up to him to lead on the court. One thing Qudus is missing or hasn't developed yet is that unstoppable hook. Also, he still tries to finesse two-footers. Either force the dunk if you have the opening or use the glass (a lost art). A reliable hook, a consistent FT shot, passing out to open teammates and using more glass around the rim will give him the NBA look. Then, he can expand his game to jumpers, which he already has made, but not with consistent form. Hopefully Carey also sees that the roster makeup next year gives him an opportunity to lead and stays.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 17, 2020 10:34:54 GMT -5
He may leave Georgetown early, but I doubt it will be for the NBA. This is not a criticism - he is a very solid college center for a sophomore, and could potentially develop into an all-conference level player as a shot blocker on D and a low post scorer on offense. But that won't be nearly enough to get him to the NBA
But the NBA is not interested in guys who can only play offense from the low post, and who can only block shots defensively. Qudus has to show that he can defend the perimeter decently as well as protecting the rim. And he has to show he can be a consistent threat rolling to the basket off Pick and Roll sets. These are the baseline skills any NBA big who is not a 3 point shooter needs. Without both these things - he'll have a very limited chance to play in the NBA. At this point, he has not shown that he can do either of these things with any consistency.
If he could develop a 3 point shot, maybe he would have a chance. He is a decent foul shooter and seems to be able to hit a 12 foot jump shot every once in awhile. But it is hard to envision him becoming an NBA level stretch 5. It is a big jump from 70% foul shooting and hitting a 12 foot jumper once every few games - to hitting 23 foot NBA 3's at a 35%+ clip every night.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 17, 2020 11:05:14 GMT -5
Don’t see Wahab leaving after this year or Carey coming back. We will be young next season, but will have some good pieces. We could still land a traditional or grad transfer to round out the roster.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 17, 2020 11:25:43 GMT -5
He may leave Georgetown early, but I doubt it will be for the NBA. This is not a criticism - he is a very solid college center for a sophomore, and could potentially develop into an all-conference level player as a shot blocker on D and a low post scorer on offense. But that won't be nearly enough to get him to the NBA But the NBA is not interested in guys who can only play offense from the low post, and who can only block shots defensively. Qudus has to show that he can defend the perimeter decently as well as protecting the rim. And he has to show he can be a consistent threat rolling to the basket off Pick and Roll sets. These are the baseline skills any NBA big who is not a 3 point shooter needs. Without both these things - he'll have a very limited chance to play in the NBA. At this point, he has not shown that he can do either of these things with any consistency. If he could develop a 3 point shot, maybe he would have a chance. He is a decent foul shooter and seems to be able to hit a 12 foot jump shot every once in awhile. But it is hard to envision him becoming an NBA level stretch 5. It is a big jump from 70% foul shooting and hitting a 12 foot jumper once every few games - to hitting 23 foot NBA 3's at a 35%+ clip every night. Well the blueprint now for someone who can't shoot 3s is Bam Adebayo. And before Bam, the notion was that a modern NBA 5 had to be able to shoot 3s till Bam disproved that.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 17, 2020 13:24:12 GMT -5
He may leave Georgetown early, but I doubt it will be for the NBA. This is not a criticism - he is a very solid college center for a sophomore, and could potentially develop into an all-conference level player as a shot blocker on D and a low post scorer on offense. But that won't be nearly enough to get him to the NBA But the NBA is not interested in guys who can only play offense from the low post, and who can only block shots defensively. Qudus has to show that he can defend the perimeter decently as well as protecting the rim. And he has to show he can be a consistent threat rolling to the basket off Pick and Roll sets. These are the baseline skills any NBA big who is not a 3 point shooter needs. Without both these things - he'll have a very limited chance to play in the NBA. At this point, he has not shown that he can do either of these things with any consistency. If he could develop a 3 point shot, maybe he would have a chance. He is a decent foul shooter and seems to be able to hit a 12 foot jump shot every once in awhile. But it is hard to envision him becoming an NBA level stretch 5. It is a big jump from 70% foul shooting and hitting a 12 foot jumper once every few games - to hitting 23 foot NBA 3's at a 35%+ clip every night. Well the blueprint now for someone who can't shoot 3s is Bam Adebayo. And before Bam, the notion was that a modern NBA 5 had to be able to shoot 3s till Bam disproved that. True but the defending piece holds true. Q has been slow on the lateral movement and would get killed with NBA level P&R talent. It's basically what drove Roy out of the league as all those bigs can now shoot. Q could get on a roster but he just has to get low and work on that lateral movement out on the floor. I'll enjoy the ride while he is with us as a college player.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 17, 2020 13:38:09 GMT -5
Well the blueprint now for someone who can't shoot 3s is Bam Adebayo. And before Bam, the notion was that a modern NBA 5 had to be able to shoot 3s till Bam disproved that. True but the defending piece holds true. Q has been slow on the lateral movement and would get killed with NBA level P&R talent. It's basically what drove Roy out of the league as all those bigs can now shoot. Q could get on a roster but he just has to get low and work on that lateral movement out on the floor. I'll enjoy the ride while he is with us as a college player. The other key piece is that Bam is a pretty decent distributor (5.1 apg, 1.8 A/TO ratio). Aside from being a complete non-facilitator (0.3 apg, 6 TOs for every assist), Q currently still has major issues recognizing double teams and knowing when to kick it back out. It's not something he can't improve upon, but that's a big hole in his game right now that needs to be filled before he can make the jump to the next level.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Dec 17, 2020 13:46:19 GMT -5
He may leave Georgetown early, but I doubt it will be for the NBA. This is not a criticism - he is a very solid college center for a sophomore, and could potentially develop into an all-conference level player as a shot blocker on D and a low post scorer on offense. But that won't be nearly enough to get him to the NBA But the NBA is not interested in guys who can only play offense from the low post, and who can only block shots defensively. Qudus has to show that he can defend the perimeter decently as well as protecting the rim. And he has to show he can be a consistent threat rolling to the basket off Pick and Roll sets. These are the baseline skills any NBA big who is not a 3 point shooter needs. Without both these things - he'll have a very limited chance to play in the NBA. At this point, he has not shown that he can do either of these things with any consistency. If he could develop a 3 point shot, maybe he would have a chance. He is a decent foul shooter and seems to be able to hit a 12 foot jump shot every once in awhile. But it is hard to envision him becoming an NBA level stretch 5. It is a big jump from 70% foul shooting and hitting a 12 foot jumper once every few games - to hitting 23 foot NBA 3's at a 35%+ clip every night. Well the blueprint now for someone who can't shoot 3s is Bam Adebayo. And before Bam, the notion was that a modern NBA 5 had to be able to shoot 3s till Bam disproved that. Agreed and we constantly hear this false narrative every year and every year, there are 3-4 Centers drafted that don't even pretend to try to shoot anything from 3 pt range. Now if you can't hit from outside and can't defend at the rim, then the NBA is a pipe dream. Being able to score in the post and defend at the rim is still a valued skill set that is out there and being drafted by some teams each year.
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